official Melo trade speculation - thread 2

[Rotten Apple]

Honestly theirs not a lot of teams that melo fits with.

His style of play just doesn't fit the modern nba.

How exactly doesnt his game fit?

He can do everything there is on offense, it's all about coaching.

Let me guess, iso iso chuck chuck?

Then how come no team is banging down our door to get him?

1. You do know the Knicks had an offer for him at the deadline.

2. He has a NTC he decides where he goes.

[NoLayupRule]

Melo won't get any love until he's elsewhere


Then he will be a stud again, his reputation will be resuscitated and Knicks 'fans' will lament the inability of the team to get baskets on demand.

The man who scored 63 effortlessly and without the help of the refs at msg will have to play elsewhere to get his standing ovation at msg when he returns

[N Y K]

You said if they had Melo to throw it to instead of Klay.

Either way, my posts are dope.

[HarthorneWingo]

How exactly doesnt his game fit?

He can do everything there is on offense, it's all about coaching.

Let me guess, iso iso chuck chuck?

Then how come no team is banging down our door to get him?

1. You do know the Knicks had an offer for him at the deadline.

2. He has a NTC he decides where he goes.

Only one offer? I did not know that. What was it? Melo to the Clips for Jamal, Rivers and two first round picks in 2057 and 2058?

The NTC? Yes, I know. That doesn't mean that teams can come to us with offers to try and get him to change his mind.

So, you haven't sold me.

[Rotten Apple]

Then how come no team is banging down our door to get him?

1. You do know the Knicks had an offer for him at the deadline.

2. He has a NTC he decides where he goes.

Only one offer? I did not know that. What was it? Melo to the Clips for Jamal, Rivers and two first round picks in 2057 and 2058?

The NTC? Yes, I know. That doesn't mean that teams can come to us with offers to try and get him to change his mind.

So, you haven't sold me.

I don't think it was the Clippers.

I'm not trying to sell you on anything. Teams rarely "knock down" doors players in general.

If Melo had/has no interest in leaving then you aren't going to change his mind.

If he's interested in a team, I'm pretty sure that team is interested in him.

[whocares1]

Melo won't get any love until he's elsewhere


Then he will be a stud again, his reputation will be resuscitated and Knicks 'fans' will lament the inability of the team to get baskets on demand.

The man who scored 63 effortlessly and without the help of the refs at msg will have to play elsewhere to get his standing ovation at msg when he returns

Are you saying that that Melo is the same Melo that will be suiting up in 2017? I wouldn't say that shooting 42% is considered "getting baskets on demand." I think some would deal with the iso antics if he played defense.

[whocares1]

Hell the NBA Finals last year was nothing but 1 on 1 the last 2 minutes of game 7, if the Warriors had Melo to throw it to instead of Klay or Harrison freaking Barnes they would have 2 rings right now.

Sometimes that isolation at the elbow is needed.

And its not like Melo is unable to play off the ball either.

If Harrison Barnes makes 25% of the completely wide open three point shots generated by ball movement, then there wouldn't have been a need for isolation in the last two minutes.

I don't think anybody is saying that isolation is bad or that isolation should never be run. All superstar players can isolate and all fans know this, but those players are more efficient and consistent than Melo is at this point in his career. 27 year old Melo isolating and drawing crowds of attention? Sure! iso is great, but when you have a crowd begging you to give up the ball at some point you're going to have to change your game a bit.

What if the crowd is chanting we want Melo?

If the crowd is chanting we want Melo then obviously he's

1. On the bench
2. Was performing well
3. Team is struggling without him.

It's called situational awareness. If Melo is hot is the team's responsibility to find him on the court and make sure he gets the ball in his spots. If Melo is struggling, he should have the awareness to play decoy and allow the ball to find an open man. Basketball isn't that hard.

[HarthorneWingo]

1. You do know the Knicks had an offer for him at the deadline.

2. He has a NTC he decides where he goes.

Only one offer? I did not know that. What was it? Melo to the Clips for Jamal, Rivers and two first round picks in 2057 and 2058?

The NTC? Yes, I know. That doesn't mean that teams can come to us with offers to try and get him to change his mind.

So, you haven't sold me.

I don't think it was the Clippers.

I'm not trying to sell you on anything. Teams rarely "knock down" doors players in general.

If Melo had/has no interest in leaving then you aren't going to change his mind.

If he's interested in a team, I'm pretty sure that team is interested in him.

If he wants to stay with a team that's looking to rebuild, that is his choice. But speaks volumes about his lack of desire to compete on the NBA level. Looks like he just wants to collect a paycheck while he works on his other side businesses.

[N Y K]

Only one offer? I did not know that. What was it? Melo to the Clips for Jamal, Rivers and two first round picks in 2057 and 2058?

The NTC? Yes, I know. That doesn't mean that teams can come to us with offers to try and get him to change his mind.

So, you haven't sold me.

I don't think it was the Clippers.

I'm not trying to sell you on anything. Teams rarely "knock down" doors players in general.

If Melo had/has no interest in leaving then you aren't going to change his mind.

If he's interested in a team, I'm pretty sure that team is interested in him.

If he wants to stay with a team that's looking to rebuild, that is his choice. But speaks volumes about his lack of desire to compete on the NBA level. Looks like he just wants to collect a paycheck while he works on his other side businesses.

this is closer to what the conversation really should be about... why would he even want to stay?

it sucks on this team, he doesn't fit in future, he can continue to collect his paycheck elsewhere... he wants to experience winning... i think, at least.

why stay?

[Rocket_Raccoon]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc8d4b96

This barely saves Portland any salary so they certainly won't be sending anything other than maybe the 20th or 26th pick back. And then what do we get from CLE for Melo? This isn't a good trade for anyone other than CLE. You're on the right path though, my trade had something like this as the foundation, I'll post it in a sec.

[Rocket_Raccoon]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaa8u23x

If anyone is interested in the specifics, I have a big write up of it, including what picks/where they go. Curious to see what assets you'd deem appropriate for each team to attach though.

[NoStatsGuy]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaa8u23x

If anyone is interested in the specifics, I have a big write up of it, including what picks/where they go. Curious to see what assets you'd deem appropriate for each team to attach though.

this looks intereseting. if cleveland gets destroyed in this finals, i see them making a play for something like this

[NoLayupRule]

Melo won't get any love until he's elsewhere


Then he will be a stud again, his reputation will be resuscitated and Knicks 'fans' will lament the inability of the team to get baskets on demand.

The man who scored 63 effortlessly and without the help of the refs at msg will have to play elsewhere to get his standing ovation at msg when he returns

Are you saying that that Melo is the same Melo that will be suiting up in 2017? I wouldn't say that shooting 42% is considered "getting baskets on demand." I think some would deal with the iso antics if he played defense.

My point exactly

You look at the man who scored 63 in 2015 and say, that's not the player who shot 42% on a 30 win team

And you prove my point

When he's gone you'll see what we're missing and what you took for granted

And whoever gets him will have a guy who can score at will. Unless they surround him with garbage and turnover like we did every year

[whocares1]

Melo won't get any love until he's elsewhere


Then he will be a stud again, his reputation will be resuscitated and Knicks 'fans' will lament the inability of the team to get baskets on demand.

The man who scored 63 effortlessly and without the help of the refs at msg will have to play elsewhere to get his standing ovation at msg when he returns

Are you saying that that Melo is the same Melo that will be suiting up in 2017? I wouldn't say that shooting 42% is considered "getting baskets on demand." I think some would deal with the iso antics if he played defense.

My point exactly

You look at the man who scored 63 in 2015 and say, that's not the player who shot 42% on a 30 win team

And you prove my point

When he's gone you'll see what we're missing and what you took for granted

And whoever gets him will have a guy who can score at will. Unless they surround him with garbage and turnover like we did every year

Knicks haven't been able to get anybody through free agency. You make it seem like they haven't tried. Nobody wanted to come here. They tried with all the major free agents and couldn't get any of them. There's two sides to every story and painting it "They never got Melo help," as if they were on the brink of acquiring a major piece and changed their minds last second or something is silly. Would he do better on a playoff team? Obviously, but to the Knicks he doesn't have the value he should because we don't have the talent yet. It's nothing personal, it's just the way it is.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

I don't think it was the Clippers.

I'm not trying to sell you on anything. Teams rarely "knock down" doors players in general.

If Melo had/has no interest in leaving then you aren't going to change his mind.

If he's interested in a team, I'm pretty sure that team is interested in him.

If he wants to stay with a team that's looking to rebuild, that is his choice. But speaks volumes about his lack of desire to compete on the NBA level. Looks like he just wants to collect a paycheck while he works on his other side businesses.

this is closer to what the conversation really should be about... why would he even want to stay?

it sucks on this team, he doesn't fit in future, he can continue to collect his paycheck elsewhere... he wants to experience winning... i think, at least.

why stay?

He'll stay because of his son.

[Bill Pidto]

1. You do know the Knicks had an offer for him at the deadline.

2. He has a NTC he decides where he goes.

Only one offer? I did not know that. What was it? Melo to the Clips for Jamal, Rivers and two first round picks in 2057 and 2058?

The NTC? Yes, I know. That doesn't mean that teams can come to us with offers to try and get him to change his mind.

So, you haven't sold me.

I don't think it was the Clippers.

I'm not trying to sell you on anything. Teams rarely "knock down" doors players in general.

If Melo had/has no interest in leaving then you aren't going to change his mind.

If he's interested in a team, I'm pretty sure that team is interested in him.

Stop talking out of your ass.

Since when do you have inside sauces? How do you know teams "rarely come knocking down doors for a player in general?"

You talking about NBA 2k or somethin?

[NBA Fan 1234]

Christ...

[Blockwatcher]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaa8u23x

If anyone is interested in the specifics, I have a big write up of it, including what picks/where they go. Curious to see what assets you'd deem appropriate for each team to attach though.

this looks intereseting. if cleveland gets destroyed in this finals, i see them making a play for something like this

Knicks gunna need a lot of picks to take on a lot of junk

[Rocket_Raccoon]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaa8u23x

If anyone is interested in the specifics, I have a big write up of it, including what picks/where they go. Curious to see what assets you'd deem appropriate for each team to attach though.

this looks intereseting. if cleveland gets destroyed in this finals, i see them making a play for something like this

Knicks gunna need a lot of picks to take on a lot of junk

Oh for sure

Knicks Receive:
2017 1st Rd Pick (via CHA 11th overall)
2017 1st Rd Pick (via POR 15th overall)
2017 1st Rd Pick (POR via CLE 26th overall)
2019 2nd Rd Pick (POR via LAL/MIN more favorable)
2022 1st Rd Pick (via CLE)
Evan Turner
Moe Harkless
Meyers Leonard

Knicks Trade:
Carmelo Anthony
Mindaugus Kuzminskas
Maurice Ndour
Kyle O'Quinn


Cleveland Receives:
Carmelo Anthony
Miles Plumlee
Maurice Ndour (or Marshall Plumlee to reunite the brothers)


Cleveland Trades:
2019 2nd Rd Pick (worse of MIN/LAL picks)
2022 1st Rd Pick
J.R. Smith
Channing Frye
Iman Shumpert


Portland Trades:
2017 1st Rd Pick (15th overall)
2017 1st Rd Pick (via MEM 20th overall)
2017 1st Rd Pick (via CLE 26th overall)
2019 2nd Rd Pick (via LAL/MIN more favorable)
Evan Turner
Meyers Leonard
Moe Harkless

Portland Receives:
Channing Frye
Iman Shumpert
Kyle O'Quinn
2019 2nd Rd Pick (CLE via MIN/LAL less favorable)


Charlotte Trades:
2017 1st Rd Pick (11th overall)
Miles Plumlee

Charlotte Receives:
2017 1st Rd Pick (POR via MEM 20th overall)
J.R. Smith
Mindaugas Kuzminskas



Notes: This is how I prefer to look at the trade. We get the 15th for taking on Turner. We get 20/26 for taking on Leonard. We trade Melo for the right to swap 20 for 11, Harkless, a 2019 2nd and a future 1st from Cleveland. Portland saves over 70 million (not counting taxes), gets usable role players in the short term (get a replacement 2nd round pick for the 2019 one they give up) and basically reset their salary situation down the line. They trot out a lineup of Dame/CJ/Shumpert/Aminu/Nurkic with Frye/O'Quinn/Napier/Crabbe off the bench. If anything, they have their picks moving forward as the other picks they traded other than their own were house money. They save around 20 million before taxes this offseason and next offseason have probably around 15 million in cap space depending on the cap (and save another 25 million before taxes from the contracts they trade us). They'll have their own pick if they don't do as well (losing role players and the west improving around them), the cap space, and can then go over the cap to resign Nurkic who will be an RFA.

Charlotte is able to swap a horrible contract they should have never traded for (which happens to be a frontcourt player which they're loaded with) for a backcourt contract just as long, but a player with 6th man potential and is actually usable/playable. They do pay a price for it which is a swap of their 11th pick for the 20th pick, but they also get a usable role player in Kuz. Another possibility is to swap them 15 for 11 and take their 2nd rounder as well but having 11/15/26 sounds better than 11/20/26/41.

Cleveland gets Melo for expendable role players, a very distant future first (has to be unprotected), a 2nd rounder and some cap space. They don't break up their core. They have Thompson and Jefferson come off the bench, sign a defensive minded SG to start. They'll ideally need some guard to give them pop off the bench, maybe another forward and a scrap bin big man. They can try to buy a late 2nd and scratch a lottery ticket and fill out their bench with ring chasers. See if someone like Vince Carter is willing to come for their MLE, see how Bogut is doing in the offseason as well. Get some hungry undrafted players and have them fight it out for the last few roster spots. This lineup will of course have to be staggered a la Warriors, but they'll have a lot of offensive firepower.

The Knicks end up with the following for this draft: 8th, 11th, 15th, 26th, 44th, 58th picks. You can definitely explore trading up by dangling 8 and 11 and you're still left with 15th and 26th in the 1st round. If you can't trade up, you can take Frank/DSJ at 8, Mitchell at 11 and either Giles or Justin Jackson at 15 and then whoever you like at 26 (I personally like Iwundu/Bacon/Bell at 26). The Knicks still have future assets afterwards as well, with what hopefully becomes a decent 1st by 2022 (Lebron will be 38, Kyrie 30, Love 33). Worst case it's in the low 20's. Best case, Lebron breaks down and you have a team that doesn't have assets at this time (their 1sts and 2nds are pretty much all traded, except some 1sts via the Stepien rule) so maybe they've blown it up to rebuild or are a fringe lottery team by then (pick in the low or high teens depending on which). You also have a future 2nd in 2019 which could be good since it's the better pick between MIN and LAL.

[Rocket_Raccoon]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaa8u23x

If anyone is interested in the specifics, I have a big write up of it, including what picks/where they go. Curious to see what assets you'd deem appropriate for each team to attach though.

this looks intereseting. if cleveland gets destroyed in this finals, i see them making a play for something like this

Knicks gunna need a lot of picks to take on a lot of junk

Just posted my write up on the trade if you're interested in what picks they'd be getting back

Edit: One thing I might change for the trade is for POR to keep their 2019 2nd (therefore not feeling as stripped of their picks) and instead have CLE send us the rights to Cedi Osman (selected 31st in 2015). People have a lot of good things to say about him. He's not a star, but projected to be a very good role player. Good shooter and good at defending the pick and roll. Let CLE send out their 2019 2nd to POR though, I'd keep that part as is.

I would appreciate ANY and all thoughts guys! I enjoy coming up with trades and writing up analyses of them!