Welcome Douggie McBuckets!

[VirginiaKnickFan]

I would held out for a first or tferg...at least wait..
Really no upside to this trade.....worst case melo may walk. Terrible

So, as I put together the pieces catching up on reading (was out all day until 8 pm), I got that the Knicks couldn't get a lot for Melo, because not only the NTC, but he also has a player option, so a team (OKC in this case) could fear he'd go one and done. So, I get that limits the value. And then I thought - hey, Melo might have opted in on the Knicks (not definite) but they got Kanter, who only has 1 year left, so they clearly put themselves in a safety zone by not having to worry about 2 year Melo, and vs that scenario, "shed a year".

Then I find out, Kanter has a player option too! And is really not going to opt in for another 17 million? I mean, I get it's not max, but seems like more he might make somewhere else - if anything, seems like a sure thing he'd take for a year.

So, to recap, the Knicks traded Melo partly out of fear he might opt in, for a guy who probably will opt in?

I'm liking the deal a little less again.

But even old melo >>> Kanter though. Bench big vs allstar. We sold him short. Not even the big melo fan but we fd this one up. Oh well.

Which means more wins, which mean bad for a higher lottery opportunity.

[kej718]

Knicks have a lot of players in the front court. There has to be another move coming right?

[moocow007]

Knicks have a lot of players in the front court. There has to be another move coming right?

Lets hopw so but the last time the Knicks made successive high impact trades was probably back in the mid 90's.

[Deeeez Knicks]

So, as I put together the pieces catching up on reading (was out all day until 8 pm), I got that the Knicks couldn't get a lot for Melo, because not only the NTC, but he also has a player option, so a team (OKC in this case) could fear he'd go one and done. So, I get that limits the value. And then I thought - hey, Melo might have opted in on the Knicks (not definite) but they got Kanter, who only has 1 year left, so they clearly put themselves in a safety zone by not having to worry about 2 year Melo, and vs that scenario, "shed a year".

Then I find out, Kanter has a player option too! And is really not going to opt in for another 17 million? I mean, I get it's not max, but seems like more he might make somewhere else - if anything, seems like a sure thing he'd take for a year.

So, to recap, the Knicks traded Melo partly out of fear he might opt in, for a guy who probably will opt in?

I'm liking the deal a little less again.

But even old melo >>> Kanter though. Bench big vs allstar. We sold him short. Not even the big melo fan but we fd this one up. Oh well.

Which means more wins, which mean bad for a higher lottery opportunity.

True, but if we are tanking why sign Timmy?. And still should have least got 1 of TFerg/ first rounder.

[shmeakone]

He's a decent young player to get back. He was a hell of a player in college.

Hopefully he can be a prime Mike Dunleavy type of player? That wouldn't be too bad.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Knicks have a lot of players in the front court. There has to be another move coming right?

Kyle and Lance for Harkless and (the injured) Vonleah?
Kyle, Valanciunas and Kuz to Washington, Gortat and Lance to Toronto, Oubre Jr, Bruno Caboclo, Jason Smith (waive) to NYK?
Kyle and '18 second round pick for TJ Warren?
Kyle and Lee for Richaun Holmes and TLC? (maybe they sub in Jah and we move him to another team; remember there were rumblings of a Kyle/Jah swap a few months ago. Kyle always played well against Philly too)
Kyle for Mario Herzonja?
Kyle for Aldrich (waive) and a protected first round pick?
Kyle and Lee for Sam Dekker and Austin Rivers?
Kyle, Lee and '18 second round pick for GRIII and Al Jefferson (waive)?
Kyle, Lance and Kuz for Cedi Osman, RJ (waive) and Frye (waive)?
Kyle for Stanley Johnson?
Kyle and Lee for Tobias Harris?

And honestly the only trades that may be reaches there are the GR3 deal and the Tobias deal.

It's all good now not operating against a misguided sense of urgency.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

But even old melo >>> Kanter though. Bench big vs allstar. We sold him short. Not even the big melo fan but we fd this one up. Oh well.

Which means more wins, which mean bad for a higher lottery opportunity.

True, but if we are tanking why sign Timmy?. And still should have least got 1 of TFerg/ first rounder.

1. You're dealing with Presti.

2. It's not exactly like the Knicks had much leverage - only three teams to deal with, two of which had offers with even worse assets they were willing to give.

[br7knicks]

I would held out for a first or tferg...at least wait..
Really no upside to this trade.....worst case melo may walk. Terrible

So, as I put together the pieces catching up on reading (was out all day until 8 pm), I got that the Knicks couldn't get a lot for Melo, because not only the NTC, but he also has a player option, so a team (OKC in this case) could fear he'd go one and done. So, I get that limits the value. And then I thought - hey, Melo might have opted in on the Knicks (not definite) but they got Kanter, who only has 1 year left, so they clearly put themselves in a safety zone by not having to worry about 2 year Melo, and vs that scenario, "shed a year".

Then I find out, Kanter has a player option too! And is really not going to opt in for another 17 million? I mean, I get it's not max, but seems like more he might make somewhere else - if anything, seems like a sure thing he'd take for a year.

So, to recap, the Knicks traded Melo partly out of fear he might opt in, for a guy who probably will opt in?

I'm liking the deal a little less again.

But even old melo >>> Kanter though. Bench big vs allstar. We sold him short. Not even the big melo fan but we fd this one up. Oh well.

Yeah, but I'd rather do this trade to get rid of him than the one that brought him here.

**** trade. But his value is ****. This was the best option. They keep him? Nothing. At least now some tradable assets (VERY loosely used word, but more tradable than melo). Melo is the superior player than kanter, doug, and ANYONE they could get with a second round pick combined. But this was best option.

Unless they had waited to grab roberson

[Worst_to_First]

Will McBuckets' dad complain if his son does not get minutes?

[Knicksfan20]

Needed ferg or abrines or a first to of made this a worthwhile trade. Ill take it, but I don't think we got back fair value which is what we have been talking about.

McDermott has been a bust so far, Kanter doesn't fill a position of need, and a 2nd round pick.


Meh...w.e

[AndriPerdhian93]

Beware nba no one can stop our tank

[Jeffrey]

Knicks have a lot of players in the front court. There has to be another move coming right?

Lets hopw so but the last time the Knicks made successive high impact trades was probably back in the mid 90's.

Early 90s. What trade do you speak of? Xavier McDaniels, Derek Harper, Charles Smith were before 1994.

Edit: Sorry, Sprewell and Camby comes to mind now.

[Jeffrey]

McDermott should be a bench player. He is effective there. Ifyou give him 15-20 minutes off the bench and he can get by averaging 8-9 points. That's an effective scorer off the bench.

This goes for Kanter too. 21 minutes - he is a 14 and 6 rebound guy. Horrible defenders yes but they will give us a sparkplug off the bench.

[stuporman]

So it was McKermit gettin froggy with Noah on chest bumps that ruined the shoulder? Hmmm

[Greenie]

Will McBuckets' dad complain if his son does not get minutes?

Yep

[FutureKnicksGM]

Doug is the classic shooter who doesn't shoot that good.

OKC's lineup last year had some of the worst spacing in NBA history and they still couldn't find a role for Doug. Hopefully there is a team out there that liked him during the draft and will give us a second for him.

[FutureKnicksGM]

This trade was trash

Truth. Even the dudes on the trade board who trash Melo knew we should have at least got T-Ferg.

[HarthorneWingo]

All the highlights are from the offensive side of the floor. McBuckets has the shooting stroke of a coach's son, which he is. He's got a real quick release and is able to connect with defenders in his face. He also makes quick cuts to the basket and spaces the floor well. He's got a high BBIQ which will be a breath of fresh air.

Oh, and he's got the Dirk fadeaway.

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[MaseInYourFace]

that said, i have no faith in mcdermott. at the best, i see him being like novak. shoot a 3 coming off the bench.


hopefully he and kanter are retraded later in the year

McDermott sucks. Kanter is without question the talent in this trade. The problem is that the talent really doesnt fit. And what makes it work against the Knicks is that if Kanter has a great season he's going to opt out and force the Knicks to decide whether they want to spend huge money to bring back a very talented but hugely flawed player.

Pluses to both of these guys: They are at least youthful.

Minuses: Kanter and McDermott aren't really that good and Kanter is pretty badly overpaid, even with the $ that mediocre traditional C's still command in a league that supposedly doesn't care about them anymore.

Notice I didn't say either player is bad. They just aren't good. Melo got moved for a mediocre, overpaid C and a disappointing drafted SF who is basically also a mediocre guy. And a pick that'll be about 35, which is where you generally find...wait for it....mediocre players.

That said, at least the pick may have use in that you never know who might fall and maybe begins a practice of building up an asset base of picks. Have to start somewhere.

Would have been nice to get a #1 or young guy who actually retains potential instead of two guys who've proven they don't have any anymore, but oh well.

If Kanter can somehow become even average defensively he has good value.

[duetta]

So McDermott can't guard the 3? That's his story? That's why he's been traded twice in the past year? Lovely.