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Re: FA/Trade Rumors & Discussion - Durant, Kyrie, AD, etc 

Post#61 » by BKlutch » Sun Feb 3, 2019 11:09 pm

RodyTur10 wrote:Not welcome I see.

Just wanted to give everyone some more information on the Irving-Celtics situation, which as a Celtics fan I have been following very closely and I'm sure know a lot more of than an average Knicks fan. Sorry for that burn, but some guys here deserved that for their inappropriate response.

l'll keep following this topic, since it is very amusing, but I won't post again.

Maybe I'll come back at July 1st, the day Irving said we should ask him again about his future and the first day the Celtics can announce that they have resigned Irving to a 5-year-deal. Peace.

You don’t know shut compared to the average Knicks fan.

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Re: FA/Trade Rumors & Discussion - Durant, Kyrie, AD, etc 

Post#62 » by shtolky » Sun Feb 3, 2019 11:12 pm

RodyTur10 wrote:Not welcome I see.

Just wanted to give everyone some more information on the Irving-Celtics situation, which as a Celtics fan I have been following very closely and I'm sure know a lot more of than an average Knicks fan. Sorry for that burn, but some guys here deserved that for their inappropriate response.

l'll keep following this topic, since it is very amusing, but I won't post again.

Maybe I'll come back at July 1st, the day Irving said we should ask him again about his future and the first day the Celtics can announce that they have resigned Irving to a 5-year-deal. Peace.




You are welcome, but you’re just being a tad naive (and I don’t think it’s a lock he comes here). Don’t you see the extreme disconnect between what he said to the fans in Boston that day in the off-season versus what he said at MSG the other day? He could have easily told the reporters at MSG that what he said in Boston still stands. That would have ended most of this speculation. You should watch what he said in full again and you’ll see why so many around here are fairly optimistic he’s leaving Boston. The fact he is from here and we have two max slots should make Boston fans very worried. We will see July 1.
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Re: FA/Trade Rumors & Discussion - Durant, Kyrie, AD, etc 

Post#63 » by DowNY » Sun Feb 3, 2019 11:15 pm

RodyTur10 wrote:Not welcome I see.

Just wanted to give everyone some more information on the Irving-Celtics situation, which as a Celtics fan I have been following very closely and I'm sure know a lot more of than an average Knicks fan. Sorry for that burn, but some guys here deserved that for their inappropriate response.

l'll keep following this topic, since it is very amusing, but I won't post again.

Maybe I'll come back at July 1st, the day Irving said we should ask him again about his future and the first day the Celtics can announce that they have resigned Irving to a 5-year-deal. Peace.

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Post#64 » by Context » Sun Feb 3, 2019 11:59 pm

SelbyCobra wrote:Knicks sensed it was coming to a head, got prepared, and struck quickly with clean and efficient execution as soon as the Porzingans made their move.

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I'm sure Mills learned a ton from the Melo situation before and after he signed that contract with the no trade clause in it...
Nothing remotely close to that was going to happen with KP..
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Post#65 » by Context » Mon Feb 4, 2019 12:05 am

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Wonderllama wrote:Is the Mavs deal the best possible trade the Knicks could have gotten? I don't believe so. Not by a long shot.


KNICKS needed a team with a certain amount of assets AND the ability/interest to absorb the contracts of THJr and Courtney Lee. Look around the league and tell me who would have been a better trade partner than Dallas to pull all that off?? I'll wait...

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Re: FA/Trade Rumors & Discussion - Durant, Kyrie, AD, etc 

Post#66 » by Context » Mon Feb 4, 2019 12:09 am

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RodyTur10 wrote:Celtics fan here. I have been reading a lot of rumours and a lot of that is based on false information. That's not specifically this forum, but I feel the need to counter some of these rumours.

First of all the idea that Irving has his mind on leaving the Celtics. That is untrue. He literally said during pre-season presentation: ''If you guys will have me back, I plan on re-signing here''. Then after all these rumours about LA and New York he came out and responded again, because he was annoyed that his name was thrown in all that stuff (what he called: ''This is dumb ****'').

And then after questions about his future by journalists he said: ''I still have confidence in Boston and what they can offer for the future.'' Then a journalist asked him if anything had changed, since October, Irving frustratingly replied ''Ask me about it July 1st''. Postgame against the Knicks, Irving added: ''I have a focus on winning a championship this year and even me saying something like that isn't concrete enough for anybody''.

The reason why Irving hasn't signed an extension yet is simple: money. By waiting until July 1st, his new contract will be based on the increased salary cap and he can sign a 5-year contract for $188 million, instead of a 4-year extension for $101 million. And the Celtics will give him that extension. They won't let him walk and commit to Rozier to save money. Rozier is a good player, but Irving is clearly better.

In the unlikely case that Irving does decide to leave (anything can happen in the NBA, locker room incidents, fall outs with coaches, injuries etc.), you can be sure that he isn't going to the Lakers. The reason why he wanted out of Cleveland was LeBron James and now he would jump on the opportunity to come back? Be real, that's ridiculous.

Are the Knicks in play? Well at the moment I don't think so. Why did he have the Knicks on his list and not Boston?

Well, that's quite easy, Irving wanted to lead his own team and not play in the shadow of LeBron. At that time if you remember, Boston was the main rival of Cleveland and had just played the Conference Finals against each other and point guard Isaiah Thomas was the star player of the Celtics. To be asked to be traded to that team would look extremely weird and unlikely. That it happened was something very few people had foreseen. I can tell you that Celtics fans were shocked (me personally was surprised, but loved it instantly).

What if the Knicks trade for Anthony Davis and sign Kevin Durant, will Irving join them? I don't think that anyone can answer that question. However I do have some practical questions. Lets assume (big assumption) that Irving, Durant and Davis have mutual interest to play together in New York. First problem is that Davis can't chose where he's going to go, the Pelicans are in charge. So who's going to be the first to commit to that plan? What if Durant's and Irving's agent inform the New York FO that they're looking to sign there if they trade for Davis and New Orleans declines the offer? What if that information comes out? Is New York willing to risk everything on Davis, without the guarantee that Durant goes there?

My advice to the Knicks would be to sign Kemba Walker, which could be possible since the Hornets are going nowhere. Then sign some players to short contracts (like resigning Matthews and Jordan). In the weak East that can get you to the playoffs I think. And in 2-3 years, when your young guys have gained some playoff experience you try to sign a big free agent, just before the rookie contracts expire. Steadily progression gets you further than shooting for the stars.


I don't recall ANY OF US asking for your advice. BYE!!

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Re: FA/Trade Rumors & Discussion - Durant, Kyrie, AD, etc 

Post#67 » by 3eePointGoal » Mon Feb 4, 2019 12:10 am

RodyTur10 wrote:Not welcome I see.

Just wanted to give everyone some more information on the Irving-Celtics situation, which as a Celtics fan I have been following very closely and I'm sure know a lot more of than an average Knicks fan. Sorry for that burn, but some guys here deserved that for their inappropriate response.

l'll keep following this topic, since it is very amusing, but I won't post again.

Maybe I'll come back at July 1st, the day Irving said we should ask him again about his future and the first day the Celtics can announce that they have resigned Irving to a 5-year-deal. Peace.
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Post#68 » by Context » Mon Feb 4, 2019 12:13 am

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RodyTur10 wrote:My advice to the Knicks would be to sign Kemba Walker, which could be possible since the Hornets are going nowhere. Then sign some players to short contracts (like resigning Matthews and Jordan).

Ill bet it is

lol


sorry mate

we will see about Kyrie in boston and we will see about him in NYC but your pov isnt the only one

Id bet good money that Ainge will let Kyrie walk and pay Rozier instead of the other way around. Unless he moves Haywood first, which I dont think he can.


But no one knows

all we know is that Kemba, Jordan and Mathews is a very small step forward and not one most knicks fans are interested in

perhaps Celtics fans would be though

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Post#70 » by newyorker4ever » Mon Feb 4, 2019 12:39 am

RodyTur10 wrote:Not welcome I see.

Just wanted to give everyone some more information on the Irving-Celtics situation, which as a Celtics fan I have been following very closely and I'm sure know a lot more of than an average Knicks fan. Sorry for that burn, but some guys here deserved that for their inappropriate response.

l'll keep following this topic, since it is very amusing, but I won't post again.

Maybe I'll come back at July 1st, the day Irving said we should ask him again about his future and the first day the Celtics can announce that they have resigned Irving to a 5-year-deal. Peace.



You don't know anything more then any of us about Kyrie and where he'll be playing next year.
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Post#71 » by newyorker4ever » Mon Feb 4, 2019 12:41 am

Context wrote:
SelbyCobra wrote:Knicks sensed it was coming to a head, got prepared, and struck quickly with clean and efficient execution as soon as the Porzingans made their move.

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I'm sure Mills learned a ton from the Melo situation before and after he signed that contract with the no trade clause in it...
Nothing remotely close to that was going to happen with KP..




Ummmmmm he did give Timmy $80 mil and even gave him a trade exception.....sure am glad Perry is taking over.
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Re: FA/Trade Rumors & Discussion - Durant, Kyrie, AD, etc 

Post#72 » by knickstape4ever » Mon Feb 4, 2019 12:45 am

RodyTur10 wrote:Not welcome I see.

Just wanted to give everyone some more information on the Irving-Celtics situation, which as a Celtics fan I have been following very closely and I'm sure know a lot more of than an average Knicks fan. Sorry for that burn, but some guys here deserved that for their inappropriate response.

l'll keep following this topic, since it is very amusing, but I won't post again.

Maybe I'll come back at July 1st, the day Irving said we should ask him again about his future and the first day the Celtics can announce that they have resigned Irving to a 5-year-deal. Peace.


when Kyrie leaves Boston, you should come back to this thread and eat sh*t
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Post#73 » by newyorker4ever » Mon Feb 4, 2019 12:45 am

Context wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:
RodyTur10 wrote:My advice to the Knicks would be to sign Kemba Walker, which could be possible since the Hornets are going nowhere. Then sign some players to short contracts (like resigning Matthews and Jordan).

Ill bet it is

lol


sorry mate

we will see about Kyrie in boston and we will see about him in NYC but your pov isnt the only one

Id bet good money that Ainge will let Kyrie walk and pay Rozier instead of the other way around. Unless he moves Haywood first, which I dont think he can.


But no one knows

all we know is that Kemba, Jordan and Mathews is a very small step forward and not one most knicks fans are interested in

perhaps Celtics fans would be though

:lol:

these fans from other teams have so much hate for us that they pray for us to fail...



Yeah....like we need their prayers for us to fail right guys?.....guys?? Hey guys am i right???
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Post#74 » by dakomish23 » Mon Feb 4, 2019 12:51 am

RodyTur10 wrote:Not welcome I see.

Just wanted to give everyone some more information on the Irving-Celtics situation, which as a Celtics fan I have been following very closely and I'm sure know a lot more of than an average Knicks fan. Sorry for that burn, but some guys here deserved that for their inappropriate response.

l'll keep following this topic, since it is very amusing, but I won't post again.

Maybe I'll come back at July 1st, the day Irving said we should ask him again about his future and the first day the Celtics can announce that they have resigned Irving to a 5-year-deal. Peace.


What did you think was going to happen when you gave your idea to settle for Kemba and resign DJ / Wes?

Irving will probably will stay. He already forfeited a decent sum. It seems unlikely that he’s do it again but with today’s NBA who knows :dontknow:
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Post#75 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Feb 4, 2019 1:17 am

RodyTur10 wrote:Celtics fan here. I have been reading a lot of rumours and a lot of that is based on false information. That's not specifically this forum, but I feel the need to counter some of these rumours.

First of all the idea that Irving has his mind on leaving the Celtics. That is untrue. He literally said during pre-season presentation: ''If you guys will have me back, I plan on re-signing here''. Then after all these rumours about LA and New York he came out and responded again, because he was annoyed that his name was thrown in all that stuff (what he called: ''This is dumb ****'').

And then after questions about his future by journalists he said: ''I still have confidence in Boston and what they can offer for the future.'' Then a journalist asked him if anything had changed, since October, Irving frustratingly replied ''Ask me about it July 1st''. Postgame against the Knicks, Irving added: ''I have a focus on winning a championship this year and even me saying something like that isn't concrete enough for anybody''.

The reason why Irving hasn't signed an extension yet is simple: money. By waiting until July 1st, his new contract will be based on the increased salary cap and he can sign a 5-year contract for $188 million, instead of a 4-year extension for $101 million. And the Celtics will give him that extension. They won't let him walk and commit to Rozier to save money. Rozier is a good player, but Irving is clearly better.

In the unlikely case that Irving does decide to leave (anything can happen in the NBA, locker room incidents, fall outs with coaches, injuries etc.), you can be sure that he isn't going to the Lakers. The reason why he wanted out of Cleveland was LeBron James and now he would jump on the opportunity to come back? Be real, that's ridiculous.

Are the Knicks in play? Well at the moment I don't think so. Why did he have the Knicks on his list and not Boston?

Well, that's quite easy, Irving wanted to lead his own team and not play in the shadow of LeBron. At that time if you remember, Boston was the main rival of Cleveland and had just played the Conference Finals against each other and point guard Isaiah Thomas was the star player of the Celtics. To be asked to be traded to that team would look extremely weird and unlikely. That it happened was something very few people had foreseen. I can tell you that Celtics fans were shocked (me personally was surprised, but loved it instantly).

What if the Knicks trade for Anthony Davis and sign Kevin Durant, will Irving join them? I don't think that anyone can answer that question. However I do have some practical questions. Lets assume (big assumption) that Irving, Durant and Davis have mutual interest to play together in New York. First problem is that Davis can't chose where he's going to go, the Pelicans are in charge. So who's going to be the first to commit to that plan? What if Durant's and Irving's agent inform the New York FO that they're looking to sign there if they trade for Davis and New Orleans declines the offer? What if that information comes out? Is New York willing to risk everything on Davis, without the guarantee that Durant goes there?

My advice to the Knicks would be to sign Kemba Walker, which could be possible since the Hornets are going nowhere. Then sign some players to short contracts (like resigning Matthews and Jordan). In the weak East that can get you to the playoffs I think. And in 2-3 years, when your young guys have gained some playoff experience you try to sign a big free agent, just before the rookie contracts expire. Steadily progression gets you further than shooting for the stars.


Thanks for Celtsplaining this to us Knick fans. We would have never figured any of this out without your awesome BBall acumen. We're totally indebted.

Would it be possible for you to visit the this forum regularly and educate on other aspects of the NBA, and the game of basketball in general?

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Re: FA/Trade Rumors & Discussion - Durant, Kyrie, AD, etc 

Post#76 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Feb 4, 2019 1:20 am

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2010 wrote:Playing devil's advocate here but why are we so convinced KD + Kyrie will take us anywhere?

Like for real, what did KD ever win before joining an all-time great completely STACKED team?

KD couldn't win it with Westbrook. What makes us so confident about the prospects of him pairing up with Kyrie?

#justsaying


It's called taking a HUGE step forward. KD is arguably the 2nd best player in today's NBA. If you have a chance to get him and see what you can build, what team DOESN'T do it?? That's exactly what the entire league is about to try and do in his upcoming FA anyway.

Regarding Kyrie or anybody else: IF they don't work out, then they're a trade asset to secure someone who does work out.

I don't see the problem here.


I don't see one either.

Like I said, mostly just playing devil's advocate. Just sparking some interesting conversation for alternative takes and view points. I can rock with responses like yours.

But the SmoothLefty cute 'ish, yeah totally miss me with the bullchit.

But for the record, yeah of course if we have the cap space we gotta see if they'll come. But we still gotta make it work. And it's harder than we think. Thunder didn't win it all and they had 3 eventual MVP's + prime Ibaka when he still cared about defense.


IF the Knicks don't mortgage young players and picks, I sort of wouldn't care at the end of a Durant/Irving 4 year run(can 5 be offered?) there is no championship, as long as they kept all the young guys. Within reason. Obviously they'll be some roster consolidation as they move picks they like less for other assets and player, but keep picks they like.

After 4 years, bulk of the roster is 25 years old.
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Post#77 » by el13adnino » Mon Feb 4, 2019 1:25 am

newyorker4ever wrote:
Context wrote:
SelbyCobra wrote:Knicks sensed it was coming to a head, got prepared, and struck quickly with clean and efficient execution as soon as the Porzingans made their move.

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I'm sure Mills learned a ton from the Melo situation before and after he signed that contract with the no trade clause in it...
Nothing remotely close to that was going to happen with KP..




Ummmmmm he did give Timmy $80 mil and even gave him a trade exception.....sure am glad Perry is taking over.

Speaking about the trade kicker ... there has been no mentions of that anywhere. Do we know if he waived it or anything ?
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Post#78 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Feb 4, 2019 1:32 am

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Context wrote:I'm sure Mills learned a ton from the Melo situation before and after he signed that contract with the no trade clause in it...
Nothing remotely close to that was going to happen with KP..




Ummmmmm he did give Timmy $80 mil and even gave him a trade exception.....sure am glad Perry is taking over.

Speaking about the trade kicker ... there has been no mentions of that anywhere. Do we know if he waived it or anything ?


It got paid by the Mavs, someone posted the details. That was 1.5 days and hundreds of pages read, so I have no idea where I saw it. :D
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Post#79 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Feb 4, 2019 1:44 am

RodyTur10 wrote:Not welcome I see.

Just wanted to give everyone some more information on the Irving-Celtics situation, which as a Celtics fan I have been following very closely and I'm sure know a lot more of than an average Knicks fan. Sorry for that burn, but some guys here deserved that for their inappropriate response.

l'll keep following this topic, since it is very amusing, but I won't post again.

Maybe I'll come back at July 1st, the day Irving said we should ask him again about his future and the first day the Celtics can announce that they have resigned Irving to a 5-year-deal. Peace.



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Post#80 » by el13adnino » Mon Feb 4, 2019 1:45 am

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Ummmmmm he did give Timmy $80 mil and even gave him a trade exception.....sure am glad Perry is taking over.

Speaking about the trade kicker ... there has been no mentions of that anywhere. Do we know if he waived it or anything ?


It got paid by the Mavs, someone posted the details. That was 1.5 days and hundreds of pages read, so I have no idea where I saw it. :D

Did the mavs volunteer to pay for it? Because I’m sure it was suppose to be covered by the knicks
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