Official Mitchell Robinson Thread

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Good point. B8RcDeMktfxC covered it here, has covered it several times around the forum.

I knew they had to renounce nearly everyone but I thought the guys under contract were ok, until he pointed it out. And you.
I figured when they gave contracts to the G-League guys it was to be able to put them in a trade. Obviously, since it's a team option, could have been nice way to give them some $ for bit. I guess both. Pay guys, have them available as filler IF a trade(s) happen.

I believe they also have to round out the roster to at least 14.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Unsure who posted that proposed deal but just for clarification, pretty sure most of those players in the deal must be renounced to get 2 max's.

I only saw this because Thebuzzardman quoted it.

The scenario under discussion is that the Knicks get the #5 pick and pick up Dot, Henry and Trier's team options.

(Yesterday I went through (back of the envelope, but afaics correct) calculations about whose team options the Knicks can and cannot pick up if they pick #1 to #5.)

Let's try the numbers (as far as I can source them) - as far as I understand them aorn - to see what the situation actually is. (I didn't find a salary number for Jenkins myself - it doesn't affect the main scenario we're talking about anyway, but let me take LeStud's number on faith.)

Headline number: Expected salary cap (as announced by the NBA): $109,000,000

(Note: it is possible the league flexes the total salary cap - presumably upwards.)

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Noah    $6,431,666
LT      $1,000,000
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Frank   $4,855,800
DSJ     $4,463,640
Knox    $4,385,640
Mitch   $1,559,712
----------------------------
KD      $38,150,000
KI      $32,700,000
----------------------------
So far  $93,546,458

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5 holds : $4,485,790

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So far + 5 : $98,032,248
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Rookie salaries for 2019-2020 per RealGM: https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale/2020
* First round picks can sign for as much as 120% and as little as 80% of the rookie scale.

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Pick, raw salary, salary * 1.2

1   $8,120,700   9,744,840
2   $7,265,800   8,718,960
3   $6,524,900   7,829,880
4   $5,882,800   7,059,360
5   $5,327,300   6,392,760
6   $4,838,500   5,806,200
7   $4,417,000   5,300,400
8   $4,046,500   4,855,800
9   $3,719,500   4,463,400
10  $3,533,500   4,240,200

(who knows, maybe the Knicks trade down)

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Running total: So far + FRP#5 + 5 holds : $104,425,008

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Space left for picking up options: $4,574,992

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Player, Salary hit, Cap hit "cost" to add ( Salary - $897,158)

Dot      $1,618,520    721,362
Henry    $1,645,357    748,199
Trier    $3,551,100   2,653,942
Jenkins  $1,988,119   1,090,961

Total adjustment if picking up these combinations of team options:

Dot + Henry + Trier : $4,123,503
Dot + Jenkins + Trier : 4,466,265
Henry + Jenkins + Trier : 4,493,102

As 4,123,503 < 4,574,992 it is viable (afaics) to pick up the options for Dot + Henry + IsoZo if the Knicks get the #5 pick.

(Similarly for the other combinations.)

Based on those #'s even without a 120% cap hold, short 7mn for 2 max slots and that comes from renouncing Zo, Jenkins, Henry.

There's has been talk about Frank getting traded draft day and it makes sense because someone in that picture must go to actually get to 2 max slots which people have all but assumed was a foregone conclusion.

So, no, this seems like a bad take.

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Fwiw, the remaining space for picking up options (calculated as per the example for FRP#5 above) is

Knicks pick, remaining space, possible option pick-up combinations

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#4    $3,908,392  (Trier + one of Dot/Henry; or Dot+Henry+Jenkins)
#3    $3,137,872  (Trier; or Dot+Henry+Jenkins)
#2    $2,248,792  (Any two of Dot, Henry and Jenkins)
#1    $1,222,912  (Any one of Dot, Henry and Jenkins)

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1) It bugs the **** out of me that there seems no way of making tables on this site

2) Ofc, as always I'm happy to have for any/everyone to point out/correct any errors/misconceptions . But please do be specific.

You're disregarding timing which is very important.

Draft happens first, teams options become guaranteed Jul 1st, FA starts Jul 1st w a grace period before deals go live.

My original post is a "projection" as of Jul 1st. With that, those guys must get renounced.

I'm finding it hard to get concrete information but looking at news reports (SBNation etc) from recent years the teams get a very close to final version of the Salary cap after the draft but well before team options have to be picked up. The danger would be that the cap lurches down at the very last minute, I suppose. But then those KD, KI and FRP contracts would go down. I'd have to look more carefully at the numbers. Other than the salary cap going down from the projection I don't see what difference the timing makes.

Ellenson, Trier and Jenkins are team options afaics. On the other hand, Dot's contract (and Luke's) are non-guaranteed, not team options, (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/new-york-knicks-team-salary/) so they are of no use as trade ballast per this article from last March: https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/03./how-non-guaranteed-salaries-will-affect-trades-in-new-cba.html . My bad.

So, in fact, in that scenario of Knicks picking 5th and trading pieces excluding Frank and Mitch for AD they would need to pick up Ellenson, Trier and Jenkins. That did fit under the current estimate for the cap, 4,493,102 < 4,574,992, but it's getting close.

[god shammgod]

the knicks are not trading for ad anyway if they get kyrie & durant. there's diminishing returns on a 3rd all-star. the only way an ad trade possibly happens is if durant comes alone. but also, there is no trade for ad without zion and if the knicks got him they wouldn't trade him. i.e., it's never happening.

[LeStud]

I only saw this because Thebuzzardman quoted it.

The scenario under discussion is that the Knicks get the #5 pick and pick up Dot, Henry and Trier's team options.

(Yesterday I went through (back of the envelope, but afaics correct) calculations about whose team options the Knicks can and cannot pick up if they pick #1 to #5.)

Let's try the numbers (as far as I can source them) - as far as I understand them aorn - to see what the situation actually is. (I didn't find a salary number for Jenkins myself - it doesn't affect the main scenario we're talking about anyway, but let me take LeStud's number on faith.)

Headline number: Expected salary cap (as announced by the NBA): $109,000,000

(Note: it is possible the league flexes the total salary cap - presumably upwards.)

Code: Select all

Noah    $6,431,666
LT      $1,000,000
----------------------------
Frank   $4,855,800
DSJ     $4,463,640
Knox    $4,385,640
Mitch   $1,559,712
----------------------------
KD      $38,150,000
KI      $32,700,000
----------------------------
So far  $93,546,458

-------------------------------

5 holds : $4,485,790

-------------------------------

So far + 5 : $98,032,248
-------------------------------------------

Rookie salaries for 2019-2020 per RealGM: https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale/2020
* First round picks can sign for as much as 120% and as little as 80% of the rookie scale.

Code: Select all

Pick, raw salary, salary * 1.2

1   $8,120,700   9,744,840
2   $7,265,800   8,718,960
3   $6,524,900   7,829,880
4   $5,882,800   7,059,360
5   $5,327,300   6,392,760
6   $4,838,500   5,806,200
7   $4,417,000   5,300,400
8   $4,046,500   4,855,800
9   $3,719,500   4,463,400
10  $3,533,500   4,240,200

(who knows, maybe the Knicks trade down)

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Running total: So far + FRP#5 + 5 holds : $104,425,008

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Space left for picking up options: $4,574,992

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Player, Salary hit, Cap hit "cost" to add ( Salary - $897,158)

Dot      $1,618,520    721,362
Henry    $1,645,357    748,199
Trier    $3,551,100   2,653,942
Jenkins  $1,988,119   1,090,961

Total adjustment if picking up these combinations of team options:

Dot + Henry + Trier : $4,123,503
Dot + Jenkins + Trier : 4,466,265
Henry + Jenkins + Trier : 4,493,102

As 4,123,503 < 4,574,992 it is viable (afaics) to pick up the options for Dot + Henry + IsoZo if the Knicks get the #5 pick.

(Similarly for the other combinations.)




So, no, this seems like a bad take.

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Fwiw, the remaining space for picking up options (calculated as per the example for FRP#5 above) is

Knicks pick, remaining space, possible option pick-up combinations

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#4    $3,908,392  (Trier + one of Dot/Henry; or Dot+Henry+Jenkins)
#3    $3,137,872  (Trier; or Dot+Henry+Jenkins)
#2    $2,248,792  (Any two of Dot, Henry and Jenkins)
#1    $1,222,912  (Any one of Dot, Henry and Jenkins)

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1) It bugs the **** out of me that there seems no way of making tables on this site

2) Ofc, as always I'm happy to have for any/everyone to point out/correct any errors/misconceptions . But please do be specific.

You're disregarding timing which is very important.

Draft happens first, teams options become guaranteed Jul 1st, FA starts Jul 1st w a grace period before deals go live.

My original post is a "projection" as of Jul 1st. With that, those guys must get renounced.

I'm finding it hard to get concrete information but looking at news reports (SBNation etc) from recent years the teams get a very close to final version of the Salary cap after the draft but well before team options have to be picked up. The danger would be that the cap lurches down at the very last minute, I suppose. But then those KD, KI and FRP contracts would go down. I'd have to look more carefully at the numbers. Other than the salary cap going down from the projection I don't see what difference the timing makes.

Ellenson, Trier and Jenkins are team options afaics. On the other hand, Dot's contract (and Luke's) are non-guaranteed, not team options, (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/new-york-knicks-team-salary/) so they are of no use as trade ballast per this article from last March: https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/03./how-non-guaranteed-salaries-will-affect-trades-in-new-cba.html . My bad.

So, in fact, in that scenario of Knicks picking 5th and trading pieces excluding Frank and Mitch for AD they would need to pick up Ellenson, Trier and Jenkins. That did fit under the current estimate for the cap, 4,493,102 < 4,574,992, but it's getting close.

Timing is key because on Jun 30th this what the cap looks like. Regardless, if Dot is non guaranteed, their salary counts unless renounced.

So again on Jun 30th, this what Perry is staring at with the 5th pick. To get to the space for ~71mn, some combination of Dot, Trier, Henry, Jenks must be renounced.

Noah $6,431,666
Frank $4,855,800
DSJ $4,463,640
Knox $4,385,640
Jenkins $1,988,119
Mitch $1,559,712
Dot $1,618,520
Henry $1,645,357
Trier $3,551,100
LT $1,000,000
19 1st $6,392,760 (120% cap hold)
Holds $900,000
$900,000
$900,000
$900,000
Total $41,492,314

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

You're disregarding timing which is very important.

Draft happens first, teams options become guaranteed Jul 1st, FA starts Jul 1st w a grace period before deals go live.

My original post is a "projection" as of Jul 1st. With that, those guys must get renounced.

I'm finding it hard to get concrete information but looking at news reports (SBNation etc) from recent years the teams get a very close to final version of the Salary cap after the draft but well before team options have to be picked up. The danger would be that the cap lurches down at the very last minute, I suppose. But then those KD, KI and FRP contracts would go down. I'd have to look more carefully at the numbers. Other than the salary cap going down from the projection I don't see what difference the timing makes.

Ellenson, Trier and Jenkins are team options afaics. On the other hand, Dot's contract (and Luke's) are non-guaranteed, not team options, (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/new-york-knicks-team-salary/) so they are of no use as trade ballast per this article from last March: https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/03./how-non-guaranteed-salaries-will-affect-trades-in-new-cba.html . My bad.

So, in fact, in that scenario of Knicks picking 5th and trading pieces excluding Frank and Mitch for AD they would need to pick up Ellenson, Trier and Jenkins. That did fit under the current estimate for the cap, 4,493,102 < 4,574,992, but it's getting close.

Timing is key because on Jun 30th this what the cap looks like. Regardless, if Dot is non guaranteed, their salary counts unless renounced.

So again on Jun 30th, this what Perry is staring at with the 5th pick. To get to the space for ~71mn, some combination of Dot, Trier, Henry, Jenks must be renounced.

Noah $6,431,666
Frank $4,855,800
DSJ $4,463,640
Knox $4,385,640
Jenkins $1,988,119
Mitch $1,559,712
Dot $1,618,520
Henry $1,645,357
Trier $3,551,100
LT $1,000,000
19 1st $6,392,760 (120% cap hold)
Holds $900,000
$900,000
$900,000
$900,000
Total $41,492,314

I'm sorry but I don't know what you are missing. I literally just went through the calculation in my long-ish post with several "code" sections (so that the columns of numbers align - at least in the OP). That was the very point of the post.

If the Knicks get the 5th FRP in the draft they can afford (assuming the salary cap is exactly 109m) to take up Henry + Jenkins + Trier's team option contracts and release Dot. Then they can trade (as per an early post of mine) for AD without including Mitch or Frank in the deal as far as matching salary is concerned. (Again, that conversation wasn't around would or not the Pels do a deal that included neither Mitch nor Frank, just was it possible within the cap rules.)

It's really unhelpful when you say "To get to the space for ~71mn, some combination of Dot, Trier, Henry, Jenks must be renounced." The latter is true. But which combination matters. In fact you just have to renounce Dot. Which is just fine. In this discussion those players are exclusively tokens to be traded for AD - the Knicks don't end up with any of them.

[edit] Dammit. Sorry - team options for Henry, Jenks and Zo, not non-guaranteed.

[LeStud]

I'm finding it hard to get concrete information but looking at news reports (SBNation etc) from recent years the teams get a very close to final version of the Salary cap after the draft but well before team options have to be picked up. The danger would be that the cap lurches down at the very last minute, I suppose. But then those KD, KI and FRP contracts would go down. I'd have to look more carefully at the numbers. Other than the salary cap going down from the projection I don't see what difference the timing makes.

Ellenson, Trier and Jenkins are team options afaics. On the other hand, Dot's contract (and Luke's) are non-guaranteed, not team options, (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/new-york-knicks-team-salary/) so they are of no use as trade ballast per this article from last March: https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/03./how-non-guaranteed-salaries-will-affect-trades-in-new-cba.html . My bad.

So, in fact, in that scenario of Knicks picking 5th and trading pieces excluding Frank and Mitch for AD they would need to pick up Ellenson, Trier and Jenkins. That did fit under the current estimate for the cap, 4,493,102 < 4,574,992, but it's getting close.

Timing is key because on Jun 30th this what the cap looks like. Regardless, if Dot is non guaranteed, their salary counts unless renounced.

So again on Jun 30th, this what Perry is staring at with the 5th pick. To get to the space for ~71mn, some combination of Dot, Trier, Henry, Jenks must be renounced.

Noah $6,431,666
Frank $4,855,800
DSJ $4,463,640
Knox $4,385,640
Jenkins $1,988,119
Mitch $1,559,712
Dot $1,618,520
Henry $1,645,357
Trier $3,551,100
LT $1,000,000
19 1st $6,392,760 (120% cap hold)
Holds $900,000
$900,000
$900,000
$900,000
Total $41,492,314

I'm sorry but I don't know what you are missing. I literally just went through the calculation in my long-ish post with several "code" sections (so that the columns of numbers align - at least in the OP). That was the very point of the post.

If the Knicks get the 5th FRP in the draft they can afford (assuming the salary cap is exactly 109m) to take up Henry + Jenkins + Trier's non-guaranteed contracts (and guarantee them) and release Dot. Then they can trade (as per an early post of mine) for AD as far as matching salary is concerned. (Again, that conversation wasn't around would or not the Pels do a deal that included neither Mitch nor Frank, just was it possible within the cap rules.)

It's really unhelpful when you say "To get to the space for ~71mn, some combination of Dot, Trier, Henry, Jenks must be renounced." The latter is true. But which combination matters. In fact you just have to renounce Dot. Which is just fine. In this discussion those players are exclusively tokens to be traded for AD - the Knicks don't end up with any of them.

At the moment what I keep hearing from you is "that's, like, just your opinion, man" - but witho

What I'm missing? Obviously nothing, you're missing simple math and timing.

How do you get from that figure in my post to 38mn (~3.5mn)? What must you do? Renouncing just Dot doesn't get you there, you must renounce more than 1 of them obviously or you renounce Trier, but common sense would tell you that Perry won't renounce Dot or Trier so Henry/Jenks which was exactly my original pt that you must renounce players in that trade.

And obviously this is a worst case scenario @ 5th pick, anything better and renouncements.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

This is positively my last response unless you have something substantive.

$6431666 + $1000000 + $6392760 + $4855800 + $4463640 + $4385640 + $1559712 + $4485790 = $33,575,008

(the sum is Noah +LT + FRP#5 + Frank + DSJ + Kevin + Mitch + 5holds. Why 5 holds? - because KD and KI + Frank, Dennis, Knox, Mitch and FRP + 5 anonymous holds will make that the requisite 12).

Now we start taking up team options. Each time we take up the option on a player we add his salary and subtract $897k+change.

Why subtract the $897k+change each time? - because when we take up an option we no longer need one of our anonymous "5 holds".

The options we are thinking about (now I've discovered Dot is no use for trading purposes - fwiw idk if his contract could be converted in some way to be guaranteed, but that doesn't matter for this conversation) are:

Trier - $2,653,942; Jenkins - $1,090,961; Henry - $748,199

Adding them sequentially to the $33m+ we get: $36,228,950; $37,319,911; and $38,068,110.

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Timing. The only question about timing is whether the total Salary cap can move under our feet at the last second, once we have taken up the team options. If that was your - never spelt out explicitly - point - then, yes, maybe that is a concern. My reading of the news reports from recent years is that that is not a thing - it would be a crazy way to run the league, but that's not to say it couldn't happen. But I'm not 100% sure. If we don't have to worry about that then there is nothing to think about about timing. Once the draft is done we "know" all of the numbers. If I was the FO and had concerns about the cap being revised down then, as I'm very conservative/defensive financially, I'd have given Jenks and Henry 200k less each. But the FO isn't. So shrug.

[RHODEY]

Is there anyone who would still trade him without hesitation for AD, if we sign KD & Irving?

Yes. Me. In a heartbeat. Goodbye nice 2nd round pick, hello future HOF'er.

No more prospect hugging around here. He rebounds well, blocks shots really well. AD does everything well. Goodbye.

Im leaning heavily against it because of what else would be required ..Im not doing it at all if we had to give up Zion.

But Mitch's is 3rd in the league in blocks in his rookie season, with no college ball, with limited minutes...

This is his floor... and we have him for dirt cheap

Let that sink in.

[LeStud]

This is positively my last response unless you have something substantive.

$6431666 + $1000000 + $6392760 + $4855800 + $4463640 + $4385640 + $1559712 + $4485790 = $33,575,008

(the sum is Noah +LT + FRP#5 + Frank + DSJ + Kevin + Mitch + 5holds. Why 5 holds? - because KD and KI + Frank, Dennis, Knox, Mitch and FRP + 5 anonymous holds will make that the requisite 12).

Now we start taking up team options. Each time we take up the option on a player we add his salary and subtract $897k+change.

Why subtract the $897k+change each time? - because when we take up an option we no longer need one of our anonymous "5 holds".

The options we are thinking about (now I've discovered Dot is no use for trading purposes - fwiw idk if his contract could be converted in some way to be guaranteed, but that doesn't matter for this conversation) are:

Trier - $2,653,942; Jenkins - $1,090,961; Henry - $748,199

Adding them sequentially to the $33m+ we get: $36,228,950; $37,319,911; and $38,068,110.

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Timing. The only question about timing is whether the total Salary cap can move under our feet at the last second, once we have taken up the team options. If that was your - never spelt out explicitly - point - then, yes, maybe that is a concern. My reading of the news reports from recent years is that that is not a thing - it would be a crazy way to run the league, but that's not to say it couldn't happen. But I'm not 100% sure. If we don't have to worry about that then there is nothing to think about about timing. Once the draft is done we "know" all of the numbers. If I was the FO and had concerns about the cap being revised down then, as I'm very conservative/defensive financially, I'd have given Jenks and Henry 200k less each. But the FO isn't. So shrug.

1. Trier salary is wrong by 30%.
2. Min roster is 13 so wrong on cap holds.
3. Most importantly, remember when I said timing is key, you're still missing that key point. Stop calculating with KD and whomever on the cap. Calculate the cap for Jun 30th and you'll get this so decisions must be made to renounce players.

Noah $6,431,666
Frank $4,855,800
DSJ $4,463,640
Knox $4,385,640
Jenkins $1,988,119
Mitch $1,559,712
Dot $1,618,520
Henry $1,645,357
Trier $3,551,100
LT $1,000,000
19 1st $6,392,760 (120% cap hold)
Holds $900,000
$900,000
$900,000
$900,000
Total $41,492,314

Why is this so hard to understand?

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

This is positively my last response unless you have something substantive.

$6431666 + $1000000 + $6392760 + $4855800 + $4463640 + $4385640 + $1559712 + $4485790 = $33,575,008

(the sum is Noah +LT + FRP#5 + Frank + DSJ + Kevin + Mitch + 5holds. Why 5 holds? - because KD and KI + Frank, Dennis, Knox, Mitch and FRP + 5 anonymous holds will make that the requisite 12).

Now we start taking up team options. Each time we take up the option on a player we add his salary and subtract $897k+change.

Why subtract the $897k+change each time? - because when we take up an option we no longer need one of our anonymous "5 holds".

The options we are thinking about (now I've discovered Dot is no use for trading purposes - fwiw idk if his contract could be converted in some way to be guaranteed, but that doesn't matter for this conversation) are:

Trier - $2,653,942; Jenkins - $1,090,961; Henry - $748,199

Adding them sequentially to the $33m+ we get: $36,228,950; $37,319,911; and $38,068,110.

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Timing. The only question about timing is whether the total Salary cap can move under our feet at the last second, once we have taken up the team options. If that was your - never spelt out explicitly - point - then, yes, maybe that is a concern. My reading of the news reports from recent years is that that is not a thing - it would be a crazy way to run the league, but that's not to say it couldn't happen. But I'm not 100% sure. If we don't have to worry about that then there is nothing to think about about timing. Once the draft is done we "know" all of the numbers. If I was the FO and had concerns about the cap being revised down then, as I'm very conservative/defensive financially, I'd have given Jenks and Henry 200k less each. But the FO isn't. So shrug.

[troalling deleted]

'Bye troll.

[LeStud]

This is positively my last response unless you have something substantive.

$6431666 + $1000000 + $6392760 + $4855800 + $4463640 + $4385640 + $1559712 + $4485790 = $33,575,008

(the sum is Noah +LT + FRP#5 + Frank + DSJ + Kevin + Mitch + 5holds. Why 5 holds? - because KD and KI + Frank, Dennis, Knox, Mitch and FRP + 5 anonymous holds will make that the requisite 12).

Now we start taking up team options. Each time we take up the option on a player we add his salary and subtract $897k+change.

Why subtract the $897k+change each time? - because when we take up an option we no longer need one of our anonymous "5 holds".

The options we are thinking about (now I've discovered Dot is no use for trading purposes - fwiw idk if his contract could be converted in some way to be guaranteed, but that doesn't matter for this conversation) are:

Trier - $2,653,942; Jenkins - $1,090,961; Henry - $748,199

Adding them sequentially to the $33m+ we get: $36,228,950; $37,319,911; and $38,068,110.

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Timing. The only question about timing is whether the total Salary cap can move under our feet at the last second, once we have taken up the team options. If that was your - never spelt out explicitly - point - then, yes, maybe that is a concern. My reading of the news reports from recent years is that that is not a thing - it would be a crazy way to run the league, but that's not to say it couldn't happen. But I'm not 100% sure. If we don't have to worry about that then there is nothing to think about about timing. Once the draft is done we "know" all of the numbers. If I was the FO and had concerns about the cap being revised down then, as I'm very conservative/defensive financially, I'd have given Jenks and Henry 200k less each. But the FO isn't. So shrug.

[troalling deleted]

'Bye troll.

Game, set, match

Simple math and a calendar > you

[thebuzzardman]

Is there anyone who would still trade him without hesitation for AD, if we sign KD & Irving?

Yes. Me. In a heartbeat. Goodbye nice 2nd round pick, hello future HOF'er.

No more prospect hugging around here. He rebounds well, blocks shots really well. AD does everything well. Goodbye.

Im leaning heavily against it because of what else would be require ..Im not doing it at all if we had to give up Zion.

But Mitch's is 3rd in the league in blocks in his rookie season, with no college ball, with limited minutes...

This is his floor... and we have him for dirt cheap

Let that sink in.

Yeah. I was kind of messing around. I still think the Pels ask, but hopefully if AD happens, the Knicks say no and counter with something else.

[RHODEY]

[troalling deleted]

'Bye troll.

Game, set, match

Simple math and a calendar > you

Its only a matter of time before you're banned.

[Context]

Is there anyone who would still trade him without hesitation for AD, if we sign KD & Irving?

Yes. Me. In a heartbeat. Goodbye nice 2nd round pick, hello future HOF'er.

No more prospect hugging around here. He rebounds well, blocks shots really well. AD does everything well. Goodbye.

Im leaning heavily against it because of what else would be require ..Im not doing it at all if we had to give up Zion.

But Mitch's is 3rd in the league in blocks in his rookie season, with no college ball, with limited minutes...

This is his floor... and we have him for dirt cheap

Let that sink in.

and he'll definitely be second by season's end...

[K_ick_God]

Turner is better than Porzingis.

[RHODEY]

Yes. Me. In a heartbeat. Goodbye nice 2nd round pick, hello future HOF'er.

No more prospect hugging around here. He rebounds well, blocks shots really well. AD does everything well. Goodbye.

Im leaning heavily against it because of what else would be require ..Im not doing it at all if we had to give up Zion.

But Mitch's is 3rd in the league in blocks in his rookie season, with no college ball, with limited minutes...

This is his floor... and we have him for dirt cheap

Let that sink in.

and he'll definitely be second by season's end...

Yeah no doubt..dude just had 3 blocks in 12 minutes of play....

[awy]

went a little block chasing last night. trying to show up myles turner?

if u wanna do that u gotta stay on the floor mor,.

[DaGawd]

I get so aggy when Mitch sets the pick then instead of rolling fades back to the 3 point line and then gets the ball thrown to him he doesnt even look at the rim instead immediately looking for who to pass the ball to next.

[j4remi]

the knicks are not trading for ad anyway if they get kyrie & durant. there's diminishing returns on a 3rd all-star. the only way an ad trade possibly happens is if durant comes alone. but also, there is no trade for ad without zion and if the knicks got him they wouldn't trade him. i.e., it's never happening.

This is all too rational to count on when the organization is the Knicks, far too pragmatic and reasonable.

[RHODEY]

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