Official Frank Ntilikina Thread

[King of Canada]

I just want Frank to go to Westchester. He should have been there all season. I don't get it. He's clearly not an NBA starter right now, and could get a ton of time in the G-league. It's not even worth trading him outside of the cap relief.

[CharlesOakley]

Fizdale, hired for his developmental abilities, has done no development of Frank (or anyone else). Holding Frank out of the Xmas game when his mom came to visit was cruel. He could have G-leagued him, could have carved out 20 minutes a night at backup PG, could have used him as a defensive stopper against specific matchups - instead, he **** with his game and his confidence and had him rot on the bench. I'm convinced he is being held out of games now.

The biggest problem is we still don't know what we have.

[NYKAL]

Fizdale, hired for his developmental abilities, has done no development of Frank (or anyone else). Holding Frank out of the Xmas game when his mom came to visit was cruel. He could have G-leagued him, could have carved out 20 minutes a night at backup PG, could have used him as a defensive stopper against specific matchups - instead, he **** with his game and his confidence and had him rot on the bench. I'm convinced he is being held out of games now.

The biggest problem is we still don't know what we have.

you lost credibility with those 3 words. Franks stans just amaze me

[Thugger HBC]

Even if Frank played 35 minutes a game, you still wouldn't know we have because he's a 2nd year player.

[Phish Tank]

I just want Frank to go to Westchester. He should have been there all season. I don't get it. He's clearly not an NBA starter right now, and could get a ton of time in the G-league. It's not even worth trading him outside of the cap relief.

might be best to shuttle him between the G-League playoffs and the Knicks to get into some conditioning while he's home for 6 games.

But then again, do we really have any true NBA starters on this team?

[GONYK]

Fizdale, hired for his developmental abilities, has done no development of Frank (or anyone else). Holding Frank out of the Xmas game when his mom came to visit was cruel. He could have G-leagued him, could have carved out 20 minutes a night at backup PG, could have used him as a defensive stopper against specific matchups - instead, he **** with his game and his confidence and had him rot on the bench. I'm convinced he is being held out of games now.

The biggest problem is we still don't know what we have.

you lost credibility with those 3 words. Franks stans just amaze me

You've been warned about this before.

Make your point without resorting to generalizations about the poster.

[King of Canada]

I just want Frank to go to Westchester. He should have been there all season. I don't get it. He's clearly not an NBA starter right now, and could get a ton of time in the G-league. It's not even worth trading him outside of the cap relief.

might be best to shuttle him between the G-League playoffs and the Knicks to get into some conditioning while he's home for 6 games.

But then again, do we really have any true NBA starters on this team?

I think it's more about him getting minutes against g-league talent rather than playing against NBA starters. I don't have as much of a problem with Frank not getting big minutes all season because a lot of the development happens at practice, and he is both young and behind the curve offensively. It would have been great if Frank had been a later 1st round pick because people wouldn't expect so much from him right away. I just don't get why he hasn't played at all in Westchester. Makes no sense.

[Thugger HBC]

I just want Frank to go to Westchester. He should have been there all season. I don't get it. He's clearly not an NBA starter right now, and could get a ton of time in the G-league. It's not even worth trading him outside of the cap relief.

might be best to shuttle him between the G-League playoffs and the Knicks to get into some conditioning while he's home for 6 games.

But then again, do we really have any true NBA starters on this team?

I think it's more about him getting minutes against g-league talent rather than playing against NBA starters. I don't have as much of a problem with Frank not getting big minutes all season because a lot of the development happens at practice, and he is both young and behind the curve offensively. It would have been great if Frank had been a later 1st round pick because people wouldn't expect so much from him right away. I just don't get why he hasn't played at all in Westchester. Makes no sense.

Much of what hinders Frank is between his ears. he has shown enough glimpses of what he might become, but was never consistent enough to show that is what he will become.

Imo it is mostly mental and it probably wouldn't be a great idea to send a player that has mindset issues to a lower league as they may develop confidence issues then, and that wouldn't be good.

I probably would have sent him to light a fire under him, but that's just me. If you are what you say are I wanna see.

[Phish Tank]

might be best to shuttle him between the G-League playoffs and the Knicks to get into some conditioning while he's home for 6 games.

But then again, do we really have any true NBA starters on this team?

I think it's more about him getting minutes against g-league talent rather than playing against NBA starters. I don't have as much of a problem with Frank not getting big minutes all season because a lot of the development happens at practice, and he is both young and behind the curve offensively. It would have been great if Frank had been a later 1st round pick because people wouldn't expect so much from him right away. I just don't get why he hasn't played at all in Westchester. Makes no sense.

Much of what hinders Frank is between his ears. he has shown enough glimpses of what he might become, but was never consistent enough to show that is what he will become.

Imo it is mostly mental and it probably wouldn't be a great idea to send a player that has mindset issues to a lower league as they may develop confidence issues then, and that wouldn't be good.

I probably would have sent him to light a fire under him, but that's just me. If you are what you say are I wanna see.

yeah I mean it would have had the same impact for Knox too right? Just to light a fire.

I'm not against that, but I think the mechanics of the G-League schedule, a miscellaneous slew of injuries, and the team/FO's belief that the players are better off on the NBA team practicing than playing G-League games is the reason we haven't seen any demotions so fare

[Thugger HBC]

I think it's more about him getting minutes against g-league talent rather than playing against NBA starters. I don't have as much of a problem with Frank not getting big minutes all season because a lot of the development happens at practice, and he is both young and behind the curve offensively. It would have been great if Frank had been a later 1st round pick because people wouldn't expect so much from him right away. I just don't get why he hasn't played at all in Westchester. Makes no sense.

Much of what hinders Frank is between his ears. he has shown enough glimpses of what he might become, but was never consistent enough to show that is what he will become.

Imo it is mostly mental and it probably wouldn't be a great idea to send a player that has mindset issues to a lower league as they may develop confidence issues then, and that wouldn't be good.

I probably would have sent him to light a fire under him, but that's just me. If you are what you say are I wanna see.

yeah I mean it would have had the same impact for Knox too right? Just to light a fire.

I'm not against that, but I think the mechanics of the G-League schedule, a miscellaneous slew of injuries, and the team/FO's belief that the players are better off on the NBA team practicing than playing G-League games is the reason we haven't seen any demotions so fare

Also the team is actually in a rebuild, so that holds some weight as well. Frank has averaged overall 20 a game. That isn't bad for a team that had a few young pg options. What sucked is him getting injured right when more minutes were available.

But I don't think each young player is the same, what might work for one shouldn't be the template for the other. That's why I don't get into the "he's treating x-player different from y-player". They are different players.

[King of Canada]

Much of what hinders Frank is between his ears. he has shown enough glimpses of what he might become, but was never consistent enough to show that is what he will become.

Imo it is mostly mental and it probably wouldn't be a great idea to send a player that has mindset issues to a lower league as they may develop confidence issues then, and that wouldn't be good.

I probably would have sent him to light a fire under him, but that's just me. If you are what you say are I wanna see.

yeah I mean it would have had the same impact for Knox too right? Just to light a fire.

I'm not against that, but I think the mechanics of the G-League schedule, a miscellaneous slew of injuries, and the team/FO's belief that the players are better off on the NBA team practicing than playing G-League games is the reason we haven't seen any demotions so fare

Also the team is actually in a rebuild, so that holds some weight as well. Frank has averaged overall 20 a game. That isn't bad for a team that had a few young pg options. What sucked is him getting injured right when more minutes were available.

But I don't think each young player is the same, what might work for one shouldn't be the template for the other. That's why I don't get into the "he's treating x-player different from y-player". They are different players.

I think Frank should be forced to live in a tent at Rucker for the summer, and not allowed to leave until he has some fire on both ends. They also should make a documentary about it.

[Jeff Van Gully]

yeah I mean it would have had the same impact for Knox too right? Just to light a fire.

I'm not against that, but I think the mechanics of the G-League schedule, a miscellaneous slew of injuries, and the team/FO's belief that the players are better off on the NBA team practicing than playing G-League games is the reason we haven't seen any demotions so fare

Also the team is actually in a rebuild, so that holds some weight as well. Frank has averaged overall 20 a game. That isn't bad for a team that had a few young pg options. What sucked is him getting injured right when more minutes were available.

But I don't think each young player is the same, what might work for one shouldn't be the template for the other. That's why I don't get into the "he's treating x-player different from y-player". They are different players.

I think Frank should be forced to live in a tent at Rucker for the summer, and not allowed to leave until he has some fire on both ends. They also should make a documentary about it.

i chuckled

[King of Canada]

Also the team is actually in a rebuild, so that holds some weight as well. Frank has averaged overall 20 a game. That isn't bad for a team that had a few young pg options. What sucked is him getting injured right when more minutes were available.

But I don't think each young player is the same, what might work for one shouldn't be the template for the other. That's why I don't get into the "he's treating x-player different from y-player". They are different players.

I think Frank should be forced to live in a tent at Rucker for the summer, and not allowed to leave until he has some fire on both ends. They also should make a documentary about it.

i chuckled

It'd be the best movie ever made

[1999]

I’ve never seen a player that’s done as little as frank get protected so much by the fans. I’m all for continuity but I’ve given up on him myself. Is he not considered injury prone at this point as well? This is no Wilson Chandler, Channing Frye, Trevor Ariza, Gallo, David Lee like talent we would be giving up on if he’s traded.


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[HarthorneWingo]

I’ve never seen a player that’s done as little as frank get protected so much by the fans. I’m all for continuity but I’ve given up on him myself. Is he not considered injury prone at this point as well? This is no Wilson Chandler, Channing Frye, Trevor Ariza, Gallo, David Lee like talent we would be giving up on if he’s traded.

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What would you think of Frank is he became a 40% 3 pt shooter?

[1999]

I’ve never seen a player that’s done as little as frank get protected so much by the fans. I’m all for continuity but I’ve given up on him myself. Is he not considered injury prone at this point as well? This is no Wilson Chandler, Channing Frye, Trevor Ariza, Gallo, David Lee like talent we would be giving up on if he’s traded.

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What would you think of Frank is he became a 40% 3 pt shooter?

I would like him A LOT more. But there is no guarantee that will happen. He has good mechanics but I’m more concerned about his lack of passion. I know he has it in him to make it as far as he has. But I expect him to show more when he has guys like mudiay, and jarret jack playing over him. At some point we can’t just blame the coach. Frank has to TAKE his spot as pg. I don’t like him as a wing player because he’s never going to be an aggressive scoring option.


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[Thugger HBC]

I’ve never seen a player that’s done as little as frank get protected so much by the fans. I’m all for continuity but I’ve given up on him myself. Is he not considered injury prone at this point as well? This is no Wilson Chandler, Channing Frye, Trevor Ariza, Gallo, David Lee like talent we would be giving up on if he’s traded.


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I don't think he'll ever be a pg, but I do think he can be a useful nba player. if he was an rfa, I'd watch someone offer him some coin and watch him walk for sure though.

[HarthorneWingo]

I’ve never seen a player that’s done as little as frank get protected so much by the fans. I’m all for continuity but I’ve given up on him myself. Is he not considered injury prone at this point as well? This is no Wilson Chandler, Channing Frye, Trevor Ariza, Gallo, David Lee like talent we would be giving up on if he’s traded.

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What would you think of Frank is he became a 40% 3 pt shooter?

I would like him A LOT more. But there is no guarantee that will happen. He has good mechanics but I’m more concerned about his lack of passion. I know he has it in him to make it as far as he has. But I expect him to show more when he has guys like mudiay, and jarret jack playing over him. At some point we can’t just blame the coach. Frank has to TAKE his spot as pg. I don’t like him as a wing player because he’s never going to be an aggressive scoring option.

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Frank's a hard worker and worked hard on his body last summer. Lots of players work on and improve their 3 point shooting. Look Marcus Smart who's now about a 40% shooter. And Derrick Rose. Who ever thought he'd be close to a 40% shooting. There are others as well. Frank didn't get much of a chance this year because of Tasha's B's useless love affair with Mudiay. Who, also, improved his shooting somewhat this year. So it is not only possible, it's probable.

[1999]

What would you think of Frank is he became a 40% 3 pt shooter?

I would like him A LOT more. But there is no guarantee that will happen. He has good mechanics but I’m more concerned about his lack of passion. I know he has it in him to make it as far as he has. But I expect him to show more when he has guys like mudiay, and jarret jack playing over him. At some point we can’t just blame the coach. Frank has to TAKE his spot as pg. I don’t like him as a wing player because he’s never going to be an aggressive scoring option.

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Frank's a hard worker and worked hard on his body last summer. Lots of players work on and improve their 3 point shooting. Look Marcus Smart who's now about a 40% shooter. And Derrick Rose. Who ever thought he'd be close to a 40% shooting. There are others as well. Frank didn't get much of a chance this year because of Tasha's B's useless love affair with Mudiay. Who, also, improved his shooting somewhat this year. So it is not only possible, it's probable.

While you may be right, would you be happy if Frank became Marcus Smart with better court vision? If that’s Franks ceiling I would trade him assuming the Knicks don’t get 2 max guys because that kind of player would be too costly to keep on a bad team. If Frank was expiring now I would not resign him. Getting max players does increase Franks value assuming he becomes a competent shooter but who would he play over? I don’t know how good frank will become but I don’t feel he will fit as seamlessly as Dotson with a new pg. It’s not an easy decision.


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[jayu70]

Hawks Fan here:

Saw this yesterday...any truth? What would the Knicks be looking for?

Knicks Trade Rumors: Frank Ntilikina Shopped to Hawks Before Deadline

New York Knicks guard Frank Ntilikina's two-year NBA career has included injuries, a head-coaching change, position switches and losing seasons.

That's quite a stretch for a young player, but Stefan Bondy of the New York Daily News noted that it could have included a trade as well.

Bondy reported Tuesday that Knicks general manager Scott Perry gauged the Atlanta Hawks' interest in Ntilikina before the Feb. 7 trade deadline. However, Atlanta was not open to a move.

Ntilkina isn't playing much under head coach David Fizdale, falling out of the starting five in mid-November and averaging just 21.3 minutes during the 2018-19 season. Although the Hawks reportedly aren't interested in him, Ntilikina may yet end up in another uniform before next season begins.