Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo

[DOT]

People keep saying it's a 3 player draft

It really isn't. It's a 1 player draft, and RJ and Ja the only guys that stood out statistically outside of Zion

I mean yeah, general consensus seems to be those two are best of the rest, but I don't see that big of a gap between them and the next level down of guys, especially not with Ja "literally a worse finisher than Mudiay" Morant

There's no such thing as a 1-player draft. It's never happened in NBA history. There are always finds.

There are, but when you say it's a x-player draft, that means x players are the prize. 2016 was a 1 player draft, and everyone knew it at the time, and that's what this year reminds me of

Yeah, Ingram still has potential and Brown isn't bad but, I wouldn't say that was a 3 person draft. Arguably Jamal Murray, Pascal Siakam, and Malcolm Brogdon are just as good as if not better than those two, and none of them are stars

I'd be willing to bet the 2nd best player in this draft doesn't go top 3, or even top 5 is really my point I guess

[HEZI]

The closest comp I got for Culver is Kerry Kittles

Not identical but very similar

[shtolky]

People keep saying it's a 3 player draft

It really isn't. It's a 1 player draft, and RJ and Ja the only guys that stood out statistically outside of Zion

I mean yeah, general consensus seems to be those two are best of the rest, but I don't see that big of a gap between them and the next level down of guys, especially not with Ja "literally a worse finisher than Mudiay" Morant

There's no such thing as a 1-player draft. It's never happened in NBA history. There are always finds.

There are, but when you say it's a x-player draft, that means x players are the prize. 2016 was a 1 player draft, and everyone knew it at the time, and that's what this year reminds me of

Yeah, Ingram still has potential and Brown isn't bad but, I wouldn't say that was a 3 person draft. Arguably Jamal Murray, Pascal Siakam, and Malcolm Brogdon are just as good as if not better than those two, and none of them are stars

I'd be willing to bet the 2nd best player in this draft doesn't go top 3, or even top 5 is really my point I guess

A counter to the 2016 draft (a draft in which one player was the prize), would be 2009 and 2011. Blake was the guy in 2009 and it wasn't really close. 2011 Kyrie didn't even have to play 12 games in college to be taken #1 overall. 2009 you have Harden, Curry. 2011 you have Kawhi, Klay, and to a lesser extent, Kemba. So even if a draft is considered a 1 player draft (which 2016 was and this year is by your definition) it often times doesn't mean that 1 player separates himself that much from other players. I try not to make too many draft predictions unless the top player is a can't miss HOF player (think Shaq, Duncan, Lebron, AD). I'm not sure I put Zion as a #1 in that category. I see your point, but Simmons hasn't even separated himself that much from that class given the other names you mentioned. Basically, the draft is the ultimate crapshoot.

[Fat]

People keep saying it's a 3 player draft

It really isn't. It's a 1 player draft, and RJ and Ja the only guys that stood out statistically outside of Zion

I mean yeah, general consensus seems to be those two are best of the rest, but I don't see that big of a gap between them and the next level down of guys, especially not with Ja "literally a worse finisher than Mudiay" Morant

There's no such thing as a 1-player draft. It's never happened in NBA history. There are always finds.

There are, but when you say it's a x-player draft, that means x players are the prize. 2016 was a 1 player draft, and everyone knew it at the time, and that's what this year reminds me of

Yeah, Ingram still has potential and Brown isn't bad but, I wouldn't say that was a 3 person draft. Arguably Jamal Murray, Pascal Siakam, and Malcolm Brogdon are just as good as if not better than those two, and none of them are stars

I'd be willing to bet the 2nd best player in this draft doesn't go top 3, or even top 5 is really my point I guess

Who in the draft would you take at 8 & 10 without feeling like you should of just kept the 3rd pick though?. i really cant see anyone available there that have potential star DNA. even if you didnt like RJ or morant im not the biggest morant fan either but i dont think you can look at either of those guys seasons and not feel either one has a chance to be a all-star in the future.

[DOT]

There's no such thing as a 1-player draft. It's never happened in NBA history. There are always finds.

There are, but when you say it's a x-player draft, that means x players are the prize. 2016 was a 1 player draft, and everyone knew it at the time, and that's what this year reminds me of

Yeah, Ingram still has potential and Brown isn't bad but, I wouldn't say that was a 3 person draft. Arguably Jamal Murray, Pascal Siakam, and Malcolm Brogdon are just as good as if not better than those two, and none of them are stars

I'd be willing to bet the 2nd best player in this draft doesn't go top 3, or even top 5 is really my point I guess

A counter to the 2016 draft (a draft in which one player was the prize), would be 2009 and 2011. Blake was the guy in 2009 and it wasn't really close. 2011 Kyrie didn't even have to play 12 games in college to be taken #1 overall. 2009 you have Harden, Curry. 2011 you have Kawhi, Klay, and to a lesser extent, Kemba. So even if a draft is considered a 1 player draft (which 2016 was and this year is by your definition) it often times doesn't mean that 1 player separates himself that much from other players. I try not to make too many draft predictions unless the top player is a can't miss HOF player (think Shaq, Duncan, Lebron, AD). I'm not sure I put Zion as a #1 in that category. I see your point, but Simmons hasn't even separated himself that much from that class given the other names you mentioned. Basically, the draft is the ultimate crapshoot.

Simmons is clear and away the best player from 2016, and it's not even really close. Don't tell me you hesitate even a second to take him 1st in a redraft

2011's a prime example of what I'm talking about. You had the one guy, Kyrie, who has performed to expectations so far I'd say, then Derrick Williams who got all the hype in the world coming out was a dud, and yeah you had guys like Valanciunas and Kanter who are okay, but Kemba, Klay, and Kawhi all went later. Nobody would've taken Kawhi over Derrick Williams at the time, but now it's a complete no brainer

I'm saying this draft is Zion, then everyone else, and pretty much anyone 2-10 has pretty even likelihood to be the 2nd best player in my eyes. It's not a 3 player draft cause Ja and RJ only stand out cause there's really nobody else looks like a sure thing right now

[sol537]

#3 + #55 to ATL for #8 + #10 + #35

3 swings of the bat instead of, essentially, one... Maybe we can find our own Kawhi or Greek Freak...

[DOT]

There's no such thing as a 1-player draft. It's never happened in NBA history. There are always finds.

There are, but when you say it's a x-player draft, that means x players are the prize. 2016 was a 1 player draft, and everyone knew it at the time, and that's what this year reminds me of

Yeah, Ingram still has potential and Brown isn't bad but, I wouldn't say that was a 3 person draft. Arguably Jamal Murray, Pascal Siakam, and Malcolm Brogdon are just as good as if not better than those two, and none of them are stars

I'd be willing to bet the 2nd best player in this draft doesn't go top 3, or even top 5 is really my point I guess

Who in the draft would you take at 8 & 10 without feeling like you should of just kept the 3rd pick though?. i really cant see anyone available there that have potential star DNA. even if you didnt like RJ or morant im not the biggest morant fan either but i dont think you can look at either of those guys seasons and not feel either one has a chance to be a all-star in the future.

Of course they have a chance, but I'm arguing it's not that much better of a chance than the 4 or 5 guys slotted after them as y'all are saying

I think RJ has the best chance to be an all star of anyone outside of Zion, but he's very high risk

I'm not arguing to take 8 and 10, if we were talking 6 and 8 that's a different story, I just think after Zion the top 8 are all pretty much on the same level, and there's very little to differentiate between RJ/Ja and the other 5 or so guys

It's like, would you rather take Brandon Ingram 2nd in 2016 or trade down and get Jamal Murray?

Ingram was the much flashier name coming out, but they're pretty much on the same level as prospects

[shtolky]

There are, but when you say it's a x-player draft, that means x players are the prize. 2016 was a 1 player draft, and everyone knew it at the time, and that's what this year reminds me of

Yeah, Ingram still has potential and Brown isn't bad but, I wouldn't say that was a 3 person draft. Arguably Jamal Murray, Pascal Siakam, and Malcolm Brogdon are just as good as if not better than those two, and none of them are stars

I'd be willing to bet the 2nd best player in this draft doesn't go top 3, or even top 5 is really my point I guess

A counter to the 2016 draft (a draft in which one player was the prize), would be 2009 and 2011. Blake was the guy in 2009 and it wasn't really close. 2011 Kyrie didn't even have to play 12 games in college to be taken #1 overall. 2009 you have Harden, Curry. 2011 you have Kawhi, Klay, and to a lesser extent, Kemba. So even if a draft is considered a 1 player draft (which 2016 was and this year is by your definition) it often times doesn't mean that 1 player separates himself that much from other players. I try not to make too many draft predictions unless the top player is a can't miss HOF player (think Shaq, Duncan, Lebron, AD). I'm not sure I put Zion as a #1 in that category. I see your point, but Simmons hasn't even separated himself that much from that class given the other names you mentioned. Basically, the draft is the ultimate crapshoot.

Simmons is clear and away the best player from 2016, and it's not even really close. Don't tell me you hesitate even a second to take him 1st in a redraft

2011's a prime example of what I'm talking about. You had the one guy, Kyrie, who has performed to expectations so far I'd say, then Derrick Williams who got all the hype in the world coming out was a dud, and yeah you had guys like Valanciunas and Kanter who are okay, but Kemba, Klay, and Kawhi all went later. Nobody would've taken Kawhi over Derrick Williams at the time, but now it's a complete no brainer

I'm saying this draft is Zion, then everyone else, and pretty much anyone 2-10 has pretty even likelihood to be the 2nd best player in my eyes. It's not a 3 player draft cause Ja and RJ only stand out cause there's really nobody else looks like a sure thing right now

Never said I wouldn't take Simmons #1 overall in a re-draft, but in a modern NBA where shooting matters more than anything, he can't shoot. Literally. Guys like Murray and Siakam, in today's NBA, just aren't that far off from a guy like Simmons. And he was a mortal lock for #1, a can't miss guy by far better than anyone else available.

I think both you and 2010 are right. It's technically a "one player draft" in that there is a guy who is a clear #1, with some question marks afterwards. However, it's rare for a draft to only have one great player in it. Even the Lebron draft in which he was as sure a #1 as there ever will be produced 3 additional hall of famers in the subsequent 4 picks (sure, your argument about Kawhi and Klay not being lotto picks still stands). I believe you've even advocated that scouting draft prospects is even more important than draft position (I could be mistaken but I think that was you). I personally don't feel Zion is going to be so far and away better than anyone else in this draft. I see it like I see the drafts mentioned above. It's the draft though, so basically none of our opinions matter because history shows how unpredictable this whole thing is.

[malik959]

#8 and 10 are barely worth the 5th, why would we do this?

[Capn'O]

It all starts and ends with Tacko

[DOT]

A counter to the 2016 draft (a draft in which one player was the prize), would be 2009 and 2011. Blake was the guy in 2009 and it wasn't really close. 2011 Kyrie didn't even have to play 12 games in college to be taken #1 overall. 2009 you have Harden, Curry. 2011 you have Kawhi, Klay, and to a lesser extent, Kemba. So even if a draft is considered a 1 player draft (which 2016 was and this year is by your definition) it often times doesn't mean that 1 player separates himself that much from other players. I try not to make too many draft predictions unless the top player is a can't miss HOF player (think Shaq, Duncan, Lebron, AD). I'm not sure I put Zion as a #1 in that category. I see your point, but Simmons hasn't even separated himself that much from that class given the other names you mentioned. Basically, the draft is the ultimate crapshoot.

Simmons is clear and away the best player from 2016, and it's not even really close. Don't tell me you hesitate even a second to take him 1st in a redraft

2011's a prime example of what I'm talking about. You had the one guy, Kyrie, who has performed to expectations so far I'd say, then Derrick Williams who got all the hype in the world coming out was a dud, and yeah you had guys like Valanciunas and Kanter who are okay, but Kemba, Klay, and Kawhi all went later. Nobody would've taken Kawhi over Derrick Williams at the time, but now it's a complete no brainer

I'm saying this draft is Zion, then everyone else, and pretty much anyone 2-10 has pretty even likelihood to be the 2nd best player in my eyes. It's not a 3 player draft cause Ja and RJ only stand out cause there's really nobody else looks like a sure thing right now

Never said I wouldn't take Simmons #1 overall in a re-draft, but in a modern NBA where shooting matters more than anything, he can't shoot. Literally. Guys like Murray and Siakam, in today's NBA, just aren't that far off from a guy like Simmons. And he was a mortal lock for #1, a can't miss guy by far better than anyone else available.

I think both you and 2010 are right. It's technically a "one player draft" in that there is a guy who is a clear #1, with some question marks afterwards. However, it's rare for a draft to only have one great player in it. Even the Lebron draft in which he was as sure a #1 as there ever will be produced 3 additional hall of famers in the subsequent 4 picks (sure, your argument about Kawhi and Klay not being lotto picks still stands). I believe you've even advocated that scouting draft prospects is even more important than draft position (I could be mistaken but I think that was you). I personally don't feel Zion is going to be so far and away better than anyone else in this draft. I see it like I see the drafts mentioned above. It's the draft though, so basically none of our opinions matter because history shows how unpredictable this whole thing is.

I'm not arguing there's not gonna be another good player besides Zion, I'm saying I don't see why people talk about it being a 3 man draft when RJ and Ja aren't that much better than the next 5 ish guys as prospects right now, especially Ja

And yes, scouting is just as important if not more so than positioning. Proper positioning can only allow you the choice, you still have to be informed enough to make it. Taking RJ over Hunter could be the next Derrick Williams over Kawhi, or it could absolutely be the right choice, we don't know

But it just bothers me when people say it's a 3 person draft when 2 of the 3 are so heavily flawed that I don't think either go top 3 any other year

[Jeff Van Gully]

There are, but when you say it's a x-player draft, that means x players are the prize. 2016 was a 1 player draft, and everyone knew it at the time, and that's what this year reminds me of

Yeah, Ingram still has potential and Brown isn't bad but, I wouldn't say that was a 3 person draft. Arguably Jamal Murray, Pascal Siakam, and Malcolm Brogdon are just as good as if not better than those two, and none of them are stars

I'd be willing to bet the 2nd best player in this draft doesn't go top 3, or even top 5 is really my point I guess

Who in the draft would you take at 8 & 10 without feeling like you should of just kept the 3rd pick though?. i really cant see anyone available there that have potential star DNA. even if you didnt like RJ or morant im not the biggest morant fan either but i dont think you can look at either of those guys seasons and not feel either one has a chance to be a all-star in the future.

Of course they have a chance, but I'm arguing it's not that much better of a chance than the 4 or 5 guys slotted after them as y'all are saying

I think RJ has the best chance to be an all star of anyone outside of Zion, but he's very high risk

I'm not arguing to take 8 and 10, if we were talking 6 and 8 that's a different story, I just think after Zion the top 8 are all pretty much on the same level, and there's very little to differentiate between RJ/Ja and the other 5 or so guys

It's like, would you rather take Brandon Ingram 2nd in 2016 or trade down and get Jamal Murray?

Ingram was the much flashier name coming out, but they're pretty much on the same level as prospects

i think murray is significantly past ingram as a prospect.

but this is also easy to say in hindsight. that's not fair to the draft day value.

[DOT]

Who in the draft would you take at 8 & 10 without feeling like you should of just kept the 3rd pick though?. i really cant see anyone available there that have potential star DNA. even if you didnt like RJ or morant im not the biggest morant fan either but i dont think you can look at either of those guys seasons and not feel either one has a chance to be a all-star in the future.

Of course they have a chance, but I'm arguing it's not that much better of a chance than the 4 or 5 guys slotted after them as y'all are saying

I think RJ has the best chance to be an all star of anyone outside of Zion, but he's very high risk

I'm not arguing to take 8 and 10, if we were talking 6 and 8 that's a different story, I just think after Zion the top 8 are all pretty much on the same level, and there's very little to differentiate between RJ/Ja and the other 5 or so guys

It's like, would you rather take Brandon Ingram 2nd in 2016 or trade down and get Jamal Murray?

Ingram was the much flashier name coming out, but they're pretty much on the same level as prospects

i think murray is significantly past ingram as a prospect.

but this is also easy to say in hindsight. that's not fair to the draft day value.

It's debatable I'd say, but that's the point

If you'd've said "it's a 2 player draft" in 2016 referring to Simmons/Ingram, it really wasn't cause the guy taken 7th (arguably) turned out better

People like to hype up guys like RJ, but I think there's a decent chance that one of Hunter/Culver end up better than him, and I think Garland is better than Ja as a prospect. I probably still take RJ over those guys, but I'll at least give it some thought first, which is why I don't think calling it a 3 player draft referring to RJ and Ja is accurate

[Mecca]

this is great news, do it pills!

the one thing that sticks is that he uses his body so well to create room.

he’s just strong and because of that’s gets to his spots. he can go to his left.

his shot is slow to get off but there nothing mechanic wise that raise concerns.

guys let’s start the jarret culver hype train, this is the kid we seek with the #3.

The Culver train has been active since November bro. It’s Culver or Garland at 3.

[2010]

People keep saying it's a 3 player draft

It really isn't. It's a 1 player draft, and RJ and Ja the only guys that stood out statistically outside of Zion

I mean yeah, general consensus seems to be those two are best of the rest, but I don't see that big of a gap between them and the next level down of guys, especially not with Ja "literally a worse finisher than Mudiay" Morant

There's no such thing as a 1-player draft. It's never happened in NBA history. There are always finds.

What about a 0-player draft?

K-Mart, & Jamal Crawford :boom: 2!!!

[Fat]

There are, but when you say it's a x-player draft, that means x players are the prize. 2016 was a 1 player draft, and everyone knew it at the time, and that's what this year reminds me of

Yeah, Ingram still has potential and Brown isn't bad but, I wouldn't say that was a 3 person draft. Arguably Jamal Murray, Pascal Siakam, and Malcolm Brogdon are just as good as if not better than those two, and none of them are stars

I'd be willing to bet the 2nd best player in this draft doesn't go top 3, or even top 5 is really my point I guess

Who in the draft would you take at 8 & 10 without feeling like you should of just kept the 3rd pick though?. i really cant see anyone available there that have potential star DNA. even if you didnt like RJ or morant im not the biggest morant fan either but i dont think you can look at either of those guys seasons and not feel either one has a chance to be a all-star in the future.

Of course they have a chance, but I'm arguing it's not that much better of a chance than the 4 or 5 guys slotted after them as y'all are saying

I think RJ has the best chance to be an all star of anyone outside of Zion, but he's very high risk

I'm not arguing to take 8 and 10, if we were talking 6 and 8 that's a different story, I just think after Zion the top 8 are all pretty much on the same level, and there's very little to differentiate between RJ/Ja and the other 5 or so guys

It's like, would you rather take Brandon Ingram 2nd in 2016 or trade down and get Jamal Murray?

Ingram was the much flashier name coming out, but they're pretty much on the same level as prospects

i say this show me who is going to be the jamal murrary of this draft at 8/10 that can rival a Rj or morant. At the end of the day Jamal still was ballin out and wasnt underwhelming or a disappointing prospect. by the time we reach 8 were looking at prospects like hachimuras, doumboya, little, hayes, clarkes etc etc and im taking RJ / Morant over any of these without thinking twice. maybe a culver or cam falls to 8?

if your the knicks do you even want to play this game of trading down and crossing your fingers what you got turned out better than than the #3 pick or do you just take BPA at 3 and cross your fingers that guy lives up to the hype

[2010]

All i know is during last year’s draft, all I heard from many of y’all was “next year’s draft is gonna be lit af. Wings galore. Mad swingmen to choose from!”

Fast forward to now and y’all are saying this is a weak 1-man draft with the best player being a PF and not even a wing. Everyone likes the PF and either of the two best PG’s (Morant and Garland) and y’all are super meh about the wings.

[DOT]

Who in the draft would you take at 8 & 10 without feeling like you should of just kept the 3rd pick though?. i really cant see anyone available there that have potential star DNA. even if you didnt like RJ or morant im not the biggest morant fan either but i dont think you can look at either of those guys seasons and not feel either one has a chance to be a all-star in the future.

Of course they have a chance, but I'm arguing it's not that much better of a chance than the 4 or 5 guys slotted after them as y'all are saying

I think RJ has the best chance to be an all star of anyone outside of Zion, but he's very high risk

I'm not arguing to take 8 and 10, if we were talking 6 and 8 that's a different story, I just think after Zion the top 8 are all pretty much on the same level, and there's very little to differentiate between RJ/Ja and the other 5 or so guys

It's like, would you rather take Brandon Ingram 2nd in 2016 or trade down and get Jamal Murray?

Ingram was the much flashier name coming out, but they're pretty much on the same level as prospects

i say this show me who is going to be the jamal murrary of this draft at 8/10 that is on the same level as Rj or morant. At the end of the day Jamal still was ballin out and wasnt underwhelming or a disappointing prospect. by the time we reach 8 were looking at prospects like hachimuras, doumboya, little, hayes, clarkes etc etc and im taking RJ / Morant over any of these without think twice. maybe a culver or cam falls to 8?

if your the knicks do you even want to play this game of trading down and crossing your fingers what you got turned out better than than the #3 pick or do you just take BPA at 3 and cross your fingers that guy lives up to the hype

That's literally what I'm saying though

I wouldn't trade it for 8 and 10, I wasn't even talking about that to begin with

I'm saying both RJ and Ja are too flawed for me to say this is a 3 man draft

[Capn'O]

All i know is during last year’s draft, all I heard from many of y’all was “next year’s draft is gonna be lit af. Wings galore. Mad swingmen to choose from!”

Fast forward to now and y’all are saying this is a weak 1-man draft with the best player being a PF and not even a wing. Everyone likes the PF and either of the two best PG’s (Morant and Garland) and y’all are super meh about the wings.

Zion has, in a sense, really warped people's perception of the draft. He's REALLY good and then there are a bunch of players who either are or could be pretty good. The fact that last year's draft was likely one of the best of all time doesn't help either.

But I'm not saying anything. **** having the 13th pick. **** try hards.

[DOT]

All i know is during last year’s draft, all I heard from many of y’all was “next year’s draft is gonna be lit af. Wings galore. Mad swingmen to choose from!”

Fast forward to now and y’all are saying this is a weak 1-man draft with the best player being a PF and not even a wing. Everyone likes the PF and either of the two best PG’s (Morant and Garland) and y’all are super meh about the wings.

I mean, you can say it the opposite way too. Guys during the year were all, it's Zion or bust, now it's a 3 man draft since we have the 3rd pick

Also, lot can change in a year. Pretty much all the wings coming out of high school didn't live up to the hype, except for RJ, and even then he looks worse now than he did then

That's why I don't really talk about high schoolers too much, cause the extra year makes a lot of difference

RJ and Ja could be stars, I just don't think they're good enough to say this is a 3 man draft