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Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides

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Re: Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides 

Post#61 » by Butch718 » Wed Jul 3, 2019 6:56 pm

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King of Canada wrote:But what would you rather have the Knicks do? KD is ONE player, and just had a massive injury, and is out for the year (and may have gone elsewhere in any scenario). The Knicks made the same call that a lot of other teams would have made and backed off. Would you rather have had the Knicks pursue Jimmy Butler and whoever? I think what Perry is doing is trying to build something so these conversations no longer need to be had. I'll take decades of success starting in a couple of years over a risk of maxing out on Kyrie and a possible ghost of Durant. If KD had signed in LA most of these conversations wouldn't even happen.


I already mentioned in some of my previous posts that I didn't want KD after he suffered his injury. I also think Kyrie is a ticking time bomb. I just think it's ironic how we put down their fan base and lack of fans and media attention, when our franchise has been a laughing stock for the past 18 years(minus the season we won 54 games). All that stuff is pretty trivial.

Their situation is far from perfect, but it's a lot better than ours. This team needs to show signs of improvement this season. No more tanking, we need to be trending upwards. Until I see that, I'm going to continue being skeptical of management.


I think we are right there though as far as moving in the right direction. This season should be fun, and if RJ pans out and Mitch continues on his path we'll have more to brag about very soon.


Again, we need results this upcoming season. I'm willing to wait it out, if we're trending in the right direction. No more more tanking. We need to start building a winning culture in spite of Dolan.
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Re: Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides 

Post#62 » by King of Canada » Wed Jul 3, 2019 6:57 pm

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I already mentioned in some of my previous posts that I didn't want KD after he suffered his injury. I also think Kyrie is a ticking time bomb. I just think it's ironic how we put down their fan base and lack of fans and media attention, when our franchise has been a laughing stock for the past 18 years(minus the season we won 54 games). All that stuff is pretty trivial.

Their situation is far from perfect, but it's a lot better than ours. This team needs to show signs of improvement this season. No more tanking, we need to be trending upwards. Until I see that, I'm going to continue being skeptical of management.


I think we are right there though as far as moving in the right direction. This season should be fun, and if RJ pans out and Mitch continues on his path we'll have more to brag about very soon.


Again, we need results this upcoming season. I'm willing to wait it out, if we're trending in the right direction. No more more tanking. We need to start building a winning culture in spite of Dolan.


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Re: Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides 

Post#63 » by Sark » Wed Jul 3, 2019 7:08 pm

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I already mentioned in some of my previous posts that I didn't want KD after he suffered his injury. I also think Kyrie is a ticking time bomb. I just think it's ironic how we put down their fan base and lack of fans and media attention, when our franchise has been a laughing stock for the past 18 years(minus the season we won 54 games). All that stuff is pretty trivial.

Their situation is far from perfect, but it's a lot better than ours. This team needs to show signs of improvement this season. No more tanking, we need to be trending upwards. Until I see that, I'm going to continue being skeptical of management.


I think we are right there though as far as moving in the right direction. This season should be fun, and if RJ pans out and Mitch continues on his path we'll have more to brag about very soon.


Again, we need results this upcoming season. I'm willing to wait it out, if we're trending in the right direction. No more more tanking. We need to start building a winning culture in spite of Dolan.


What would you do if RJ is a bust?
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Re: Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides 

Post#64 » by K_ick_God » Wed Jul 3, 2019 7:10 pm

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King of Canada wrote:
I think we are right there though as far as moving in the right direction. This season should be fun, and if RJ pans out and Mitch continues on his path we'll have more to brag about very soon.


Again, we need results this upcoming season. I'm willing to wait it out, if we're trending in the right direction. No more more tanking. We need to start building a winning culture in spite of Dolan.


What would you do if RJ is a bust?


Light our hair on fire and run in increasingly wider circles?
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Re: Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides 

Post#65 » by King of Canada » Wed Jul 3, 2019 7:10 pm

Sark wrote:
Butch718 wrote:
King of Canada wrote:
I think we are right there though as far as moving in the right direction. This season should be fun, and if RJ pans out and Mitch continues on his path we'll have more to brag about very soon.


Again, we need results this upcoming season. I'm willing to wait it out, if we're trending in the right direction. No more more tanking. We need to start building a winning culture in spite of Dolan.


What would you do if RJ is a bust?


That would suck, but everything isn't depending on him. He just needs to be really good. Everything else is a bonus.
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D. Mitchell/ J. Richardson/S. Merrill
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Re: Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides 

Post#66 » by King of Canada » Wed Jul 3, 2019 7:11 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
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Butch718 wrote:
Again, we need results this upcoming season. I'm willing to wait it out, if we're trending in the right direction. No more more tanking. We need to start building a winning culture in spite of Dolan.


What would you do if RJ is a bust?


Light our hair on fire and run in increasingly wider circles?


My best friend growing up had a German Sheppard that stuck it's tail in an open wall outlet. After that it ran in circles non stop all the time. There was a path beat into the ground around the house, the garage, and every tree and bush in the entire yard.
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Re: Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides 

Post#67 » by Deeeez Knicks » Wed Jul 3, 2019 7:13 pm

I just want to see development and promise from our young guys that we drafted and brought in. I don’t care about wins and losses or our 1 year hired vets.
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Re: Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides 

Post#68 » by makeitstop » Wed Jul 3, 2019 7:14 pm

Just like I never bought KD to NYK, I'm not buying this 'Nets built a great organization' narrative.

A game over .500? First-round exit? Lowest attendance in the entire league?

Maybe it looks great in comparison to the Knicks' past season, but let's be honest. It's by no means great.
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Re: Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides 

Post#69 » by Sark » Wed Jul 3, 2019 7:14 pm

King of Canada wrote:
Sark wrote:
Butch718 wrote:
Again, we need results this upcoming season. I'm willing to wait it out, if we're trending in the right direction. No more more tanking. We need to start building a winning culture in spite of Dolan.


What would you do if RJ is a bust?


That would suck, but everything isn't depending on him. He just needs to be really good. Everything else is a bonus.



"Everything isn't depending on him"

"He just needs to be really good".

Do you not see the conflict here?
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Re: Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides 

Post#70 » by shtolky » Wed Jul 3, 2019 7:17 pm

makeitstop wrote:Just like I never bought KD to NYK, I'm not buying this 'Nets built a great organization' narrative.

A game over .500? First-round exit? Lowest attendance in the entire league?

Maybe it looks great in comparison to the Knicks' past season, but let's be honest. It's by no means great.



Replacing your 81 game playing Russell (who spoke of the team's great chemistry) with a chemistry killing Kyrie who will 100% get hurt next season. I'm not sold on the Nets next season at all. Now, if KD comes back as KD, then they are a problem.
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Re: Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides 

Post#71 » by Butch718 » Wed Jul 3, 2019 7:21 pm

Sark wrote:
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King of Canada wrote:
I think we are right there though as far as moving in the right direction. This season should be fun, and if RJ pans out and Mitch continues on his path we'll have more to brag about very soon.


Again, we need results this upcoming season. I'm willing to wait it out, if we're trending in the right direction. No more more tanking. We need to start building a winning culture in spite of Dolan.


What would you do if RJ is a bust?


What can you do really? One thing you can't keep doing is promoting a losing culture and expecting a savior through the draft.

Keep in mind Curry was picked 7th, Kawhi was 15th, Clay Thompson was 11th, Giannis was 15th, M. Gasol and Green were selected in the second round, etc.

You do not need to keep tanking in order to get gems. You just need to draft right and get a little lucky in the process. So even if we win only 30 something games this year, it would be a step in the right direction, and you could still acquire talent through the draft. But stop tanking for top picks. No one is going to want to come here if we keep losing year after year.
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Re: Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides 

Post#72 » by K_ick_God » Wed Jul 3, 2019 7:22 pm

shtolky wrote:
makeitstop wrote:Just like I never bought KD to NYK, I'm not buying this 'Nets built a great organization' narrative.

A game over .500? First-round exit? Lowest attendance in the entire league?

Maybe it looks great in comparison to the Knicks' past season, but let's be honest. It's by no means great.



Replacing your 81 game playing Russell (who spoke of the team's great chemistry) with a chemistry killing Kyrie who will 100% get hurt next season. I'm not sold on the Nets next season at all. Now, if KD comes back as KD, then they are a problem.


Nah that's not going to happen. He'll be good and have some great nights, but he won't be top of the heap good.
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Re: Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides 

Post#73 » by robbie_886 » Wed Jul 3, 2019 7:28 pm

Seems like Kawhi will pick the Raptors. No reason for him to fly all the way there.
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Re: Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides 

Post#74 » by DowNY » Wed Jul 3, 2019 7:29 pm

Butch718 wrote:
Sark wrote:
Butch718 wrote:
Again, we need results this upcoming season. I'm willing to wait it out, if we're trending in the right direction. No more more tanking. We need to start building a winning culture in spite of Dolan.


What would you do if RJ is a bust?


What can you do really? One thing you can't keep doing is promoting a losing culture and expecting a savior through the draft.

Keep in mind Curry was picked 7th, Kawhi was 15th, Clay Thompson was 11th, Giannis was 15th, M. Gasol and Green were selected in the second round, etc.

You do not need to keep tanking in order to get gems. You just need to draft right and get a little lucky in the process. So even if we win only 30 something games this year, it would be a step in the right direction, and you could still acquire talent through the draft. But stop tanking for top picks. No one is going to want to come here if we keep losing year after year.

If RJ is a bust, then that would prove tanking isn’t worth it. He was the 3rd pick. Not the 13th.
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Re: Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides 

Post#75 » by Butch718 » Wed Jul 3, 2019 7:29 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:I just want to see development and promise from our young guys that we drafted and brought in. I don’t care about wins and losses or our 1 year hired vets.

If they show development and promise, I guarantee you this team wins more games. If we don't win more games it's because our young guys haven't showed much or any improvement.
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Post#76 » by DowNY » Wed Jul 3, 2019 7:33 pm

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Re: Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides 

Post#77 » by makeitstop » Wed Jul 3, 2019 7:33 pm

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Again, we need results this upcoming season. I'm willing to wait it out, if we're trending in the right direction. No more more tanking. We need to start building a winning culture in spite of Dolan.


What would you do if RJ is a bust?


What can you do really? One thing you can't keep doing is promoting a losing culture and expecting a savior through the draft.

Keep in mind Curry was picked 7th, Kawhi was 15th, Clay Thompson was 11th, Giannis was 15th, M. Gasol and Green were selected in the second round, etc.

You do not need to keep tanking in order to get gems. You just need to draft right and get a little lucky in the process. So even if we win only 30 something games this year, it would be a step in the right direction, and you could still acquire talent through the draft. But stop tanking for top picks. No one is going to want to come here if we keep losing year after year.


I'm hoping they took the hint after this draft. Tanking doesn't guarantee anything any more.

Hell, if the past draft was any indication, they could win 30 games, miss the playoffs altogether and still land a high pick.

They gotta start playing to win from now on. Full stop.
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Re: Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides 

Post#78 » by Juco24 » Wed Jul 3, 2019 7:34 pm

robbie_886 wrote:Seems like Kawhi will pick the Raptors. No reason for him to fly all the way there.


What if he does sign with the Raptors and what if he signs a one year contract and what if we have ca - NEVERMIND, I'm not doing this :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides 

Post#79 » by Garbagelo » Wed Jul 3, 2019 7:36 pm

Kawhi is coming to the Knicks
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