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Re: Official Yankees Thread III: The Plot Thickens (Beltran, Cora, Hinch gone, Altuve jersey, buzzer vibrations...) 

Post#61 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:28 pm

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SWYM wrote:If the Yanks were involved, then they sure sucked at cheating when playing home playoff games

I would bet most teams try to sign steal. this sophisticated type of sign stealing? I don't think too many teams would do all of that.


Maybe the teams, per se, wouldn't by maybe the agents would or maybe the players along with some knowledgeable friends come up with some kind of scheme where they can even take their little show on the road. :lol: It's coming because the technology is coming.

Again, my point is that it's up to the opposing team to make sure your signs don't get stolen. So maybe the pitcher and catcher just have to devise a way to communicate their pitches? C'mon, man. This is the United States of America. We can do anything here. You think George wouldn't have spent the money to come up with the best technology for baseball signals?

The Yankees should be the leaders in this department.
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Re: Official Yankees Thread III: The Plot Thickens (Beltran, Cora, Hinch gone, Altuve jersey, buzzer vibrations...) 

Post#62 » by moocow007 » Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:22 pm

Oh it's pretty clear Manfred chickened out on the "harsh" punishment he was threatening.

I mean let's take look at what he did and didn't do and you'll see that it wasn't harsh at all...

1. Suspensions

So he suspended the GM and the manager but left both the owner and the players unscathed.

Considering that this is basically the first big scandal after he himself laid out that rule prohibiting electronic device use for cheating, you would think that the logical move would be the "set an example" so harsh that no one would ever think about doing it again right? What better example can you set other then punishing the guy all the way at the top? Talking about the owner here. What better lesson learned could their be than to ban the owner for the actions of basically EVERYONE under him? It's not like no owner has ever been banished before so Manfred wouldn't have been going into uncharted territory here. Both George Steinbrenner and Marge Schott have been banned.

Next up on the "set an example" totem pole would be the guy (or guys) that actually did the cheating. Talking about the guys actually aiming and firing the gun. Again, Manfred wouldn't have been going into uncharted territory either since players right now are being suspended for cheating and/or breaking ML rules regularly now. Talking of course PEDS and domestic violence (both of which, like cheating via electronic devices, are part of the rules of MLB). Multiple players have received anywhere from half season to life time bans for said actions (depending on severity and recurrence). Even if you levy just a small suspension (20 games?) for guys that were caught cheating right now, what it does is sets the stage for a MUCH HARSHER penalty if these guys cheat again.

But no. Manfred let the big boss ultimately responsible for the empire as well as the guys that actually performed the crime off Scott free. Why? My guess is because he didn't have the balls to go up against the MLPA and he didn't want to risk upsetting the owners who ultimately fund the business of baseball. Had he gone up against either he'd have likely had a long protracted back and forth that it's clear he wanted to avoid.

2. Fine

Manfred fined the Astros $5 million. Is that a lot? Of course to the average eye that may seem to be a lot, but we're not talking about the average Joe here.

So Forbes recently came out with the top 20 richest owners in baseball. All but 1 of these owners (individuals be it the sole owner or the primary share holder) were worth in excess of $1 billion with the top 10 well north of $1 billion. $5 million is what these guys would spent at auction on something valuable that they can keep for posterity and bragging rights. Like a Renoir painting, like a one of a kind car, a prized race horse or...say...a World Series ring. Likewise, the revenue a team makes for a playoff series and especially a world series (shares, ticket sales, concession sales, etc., etc., etc.) is MUCH MORE than $5 million.

FYI...$5 million is usually what a team spends on a utility guy with the expectation that he may not contribute much or may even be jettisoned if the team needs something more.

So while, yes, $5 million is still a lot even for billionaire owners, but it's hardly enough to 'set an example' to those owners.

3. Draft Picks

Manfred took both 1st and 2nd round picks for 2020 and 2021 away from the Astros.

So as every semi-knowledgeable baseball fan knows, the best teams pick at the bottom of each round. That's baseball's way of competitive balance when it comes to drafts right? Well the Astros still are one of the top teams in baseball. They are projected to have the 3rd best record by most every single stat and gambling site for the upcoming 2020 season. So what we are talking about is basically the projected 27th pick and 68th pick (due to sandwich picks being dished out) in the upcoming draft and likely comparable for the 2021 draft. If this was the NBA we'd be talking about picks that are usually sold for about $3 million or that top teams use to pick guys that will never come to the NBA. Now said picks are more valuable to baseball but that's NOT where it would have hurt a team like the Astros if Manfred really was dead serious about "setting an example".

What would have hurt the Astros more would be to take away their International Bonus Pool money and/or their ability to sign any international amateur free agents for the next 2 years. Why is that? Cause unlike the First Year Player Draft where the bottom feeding teams get the best players, the top teams usually get the best players when dealing with the international amateurs. Top teams with huge resources (like the Astros, the Yankees, the Dodgers, the Red Sox, etc, etc, etc,) have invested heavily into infrastructures that find and sign the best international talents over the smaller market teams. This is where they get their Jasson Dominguez level talent. You want to REALLY punish a big market team (like the Astros), you do it here.

So, no again, smoke and mirrors. He picked the option that would hurt the Astros less in terms of long term success.

BOTTOM LINE

So what is Manfred really doing here then?

He's basically doing his best to do as little as possible while showing the world that he's doing everything he can. This is about as good a job of sweeping this under the rug as he could do given that the world knew full well what the garbage was.

It's why he put that gag order on teams to not comment about the latest Altuve/Bregman scandal. I mean think about it, who would have thought that you could use tiny buzzers attached by a thin wires under jerseys before it actually came out? No one right? And yet, somehow his team already looked into it and found no indication of said buzzers? Who'd he hire? Sherlock Holmes?

It's pretty clear what he's trying to do.



$5 million is a HUGE sum for the average Joe
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Re: Official Yankees Thread III: The Plot Thickens (Beltran, Cora, Hinch gone, Altuve jersey, buzzer vibrations...) 

Post#63 » by NYKinMIA » Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:14 pm

Use tech to fight cheating. NFL allowed helmet coms. Have catchers relay via wristband to pitchers. Yw 8-)
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Re: Official Yankees Thread III: The Plot Thickens (Beltran, Cora, Hinch gone, Altuve jersey, buzzer vibrations...) 

Post#64 » by GEOLINK » Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:27 pm

NYKinMIA wrote:Use tech to fight cheating. NFL allowed helmet coms. Have catchers relay via wristband to pitchers. Yw 8-)

Teams will hire hackers to tap into the signal. :noway:
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Re: Official Yankees Thread III: The Plot Thickens (Beltran, Cora, Hinch gone, Altuve jersey, buzzer vibrations...) 

Post#65 » by blue and orange » Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:25 pm

Jeter 1 vote short of unanimous, I knew it there would be that 1 guy who didnt vote for Jeter . Was that former prospect on the ballot :lol: .
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Re: Official Yankees Thread III: The Plot Thickens (Beltran, Cora, Hinch gone, Altuve jersey, buzzer vibrations...) 

Post#66 » by Papi_swav » Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:55 pm

blue and orange wrote:Jeter 1 vote short of unanimous, I knew it there would be that 1 guy who didnt vote for Jeter . Was that former prospect on the ballot :lol: .

Most likely a Foston stan.
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Re: Official Yankees Thread III: The Plot Thickens (Beltran, Cora, Hinch gone, Altuve jersey, buzzer vibrations...) 

Post#67 » by Rich Rane » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:52 am

blue and orange wrote:Jeter 1 vote short of unanimous, I knew it there would be that 1 guy who didnt vote for Jeter . Was that former prospect on the ballot :lol: .


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Re: Official Yankees Thread III: The Plot Thickens (Beltran, Cora, Hinch gone, Altuve jersey, buzzer vibrations...) 

Post#68 » by moocow007 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:13 pm

blue and orange wrote:Jeter 1 vote short of unanimous, I knew it there would be that 1 guy who didnt vote for Jeter . Was that former prospect on the ballot :lol: .


Probably either a Red Sox fan or a in denial Astros fan.
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Re: Official Yankees Thread III: The Plot Thickens (Beltran, Cora, Hinch gone, Altuve jersey, buzzer vibrations...) 

Post#69 » by GEOLINK » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:33 pm

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blue and orange wrote:Jeter 1 vote short of unanimous, I knew it there would be that 1 guy who didnt vote for Jeter . Was that former prospect on the ballot :lol: .


Probably either a Red Sox fan or a in denial Astros fan.

Possibly a Miami or Boston writer.
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Re: NY Yankees Thread III | CONTRATS TO THE CAPTAIN! Jeter Voted into the Hall of Fame (99.75%) 

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Re: NY Yankees Thread III | CONTRATS TO THE CAPTAIN! Jeter Voted into the Hall of Fame (99.75%) 

Post#71 » by Rich Rane » Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:44 pm

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To say Dominguez faces sky-high expectations is an understatement. Number 38 and he hasn't played in a game yet.
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Post#72 » by moocow007 » Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:32 pm

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To say Dominguez faces sky-high expectations is an understatement. Number 38 and he hasn't played in a game yet.


There were some people that thought BA would rank him a 70 player with like 75 power and speed.
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Re: Official Yankees Thread III: The Plot Thickens (Beltran, Cora, Hinch gone, Altuve jersey, buzzer vibrations...) 

Post#73 » by zappafrank » Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:56 am

blue and orange wrote:Jeter 1 vote short of unanimous, I knew it there would be that 1 guy who didnt vote for Jeter . Was that former prospect on the ballot :lol: .


i think previous inductees also get a vote too? if so, probably it was MO !
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Post#74 » by Butch718 » Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:29 pm

The fine is a joke. 5 million does nothing to hurt that franchise.

It should have been more than 2 years worth of draft picks. More like 4-5. Also, they should have all their international money revoked during that time period too. That would have been a harsh punishment that would have set that franchise back.
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Post#75 » by SelbyCobra » Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:16 am

The other guy on the helicopter with Kobe was John Altobelli, a longtime JUCO coach in SoCal, and a guy who coached in the CCBL during the summers. He actually coached Judge when he was there in 2012.

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Post#76 » by Marty McFly » Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:42 am

Guano wrote:Fourni3r forgetting he has Bob cousy handles

Woodsanity wrote:Imagine trusting a team with World B Flat on it without Lebron keeping him in check.
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Post#77 » by SelbyCobra » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:09 pm

Baseball as a distraction can't come quick enough at this point.
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Post#78 » by moocow007 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:07 pm

SelbyCobra wrote:Baseball as a distraction can't come quick enough at this point.


Oh to have at least one team in NY that knows what they are doing...
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Post#79 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Feb 2, 2020 6:55 pm

Are you guys done making moves?
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Post#80 » by GEOLINK » Sun Feb 2, 2020 7:49 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:Are you guys done making moves?

Looks like it.

They aren't going to toy around with the tax threshold to add another huge contract to the payroll.

The 1B/3B issue will solve itself in spring training.

Cash and others seem to be content rolling with Happ as the 5th starter, I'm sure they're hoping Manfred switched back the balls so Happ isn't giving up 10 homeruns a game. Otherwise they're hoping Montgomery comes back to form sometime in the middle of the season, maybe even sooner if there's a crisis type situation.

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