Its time for the Knicks to make a move on Randle before its too late.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Where would the Knicks be without Randle and all this great recruiting he’s doing for us? I’m sure the Lakers are kicking themselves for letting Randle go. Maybe they could have gotten top free agents like Fournier instead of settling for Lebron and AD.

[Mister Ed]

If the Knicks did turn around and trade him for garbage he knows a lot of people around the league and will be sure to tell them not to come here on his way out, just like KP did but worse because he congregates with better players. They will see the way he was received here. And then he will be back to an all-star. While we enjoy our worthless expiring contract and worthless cap space and worthless marginal late first round pick like we got for KP. Is it what the Knicks deserve? Probably

The smartest thing a Knicks player can do is come in here (via draft only) and then be so bad that you don’t get to play, for 4 years. That way you maintain an air of mystique about you and everybody blames the organization for your developmental failure. It helps if you have a funny nickname or haircut or something unique about your appearance to set you apart. Like this Rokubaitis guy already has the key to the city and he doesn’t even know it yet, as long as he makes sure not to play consistent meaningful minutes stay on the bench outside of garbage time or 15 mins a game off the bench max he will be golden. Once there are expectations you are in deep trouble

Who are you talking about?

Randle? The guy other star players seem to actively avoid and act like he's a nobody to them? That same guy? The one who at the all star game no one passed to? The same Randle who seemingly gets no respect from other teams stars ever, cause that know he was a faux star last year?

Thats the guy who 'knows a lot of people around the league'?

Yeah, Randle doesn’t have that type of pull around the league. Nobody even switch jerseys with him lol

Last time I saw a great player on the MSG floor - it was a few days ago, Curry breaking the all time 3 pt record - and on HIS night, after the game, he was taking pictures at center court with Randle's son. We have really reached Randle Derangement Syndrome in this place. I also saw Artest giving Randle a big hug and saying Randle was a tough guy in a midgame interview with Rebecca Harlow. You people are just talking out of your ass to satisfy a crave.

[Mister Ed]

Who are you talking about?

Randle? The guy other star players seem to actively avoid and act like he's a nobody to them? That same guy? The one who at the all star game no one passed to? The same Randle who seemingly gets no respect from other teams stars ever, cause that know he was a faux star last year?

Thats the guy who 'knows a lot of people around the league'?

Yeah, Randle doesn’t have that type of pull around the league. Nobody even switch jerseys with him lol

literally a month ago and many such examples

Read on Twitter

thats funny.

[Clyde_Style]

the only great player to play here in the past 20 years is melo and he was eventually disrespected scapegoated ran out of town with pitchforks and traded for nothing when he couldn’t make it work surrounded by garbage

Cry me a river. Bad franchise failed to surround him with better talent, but he was his own worst enemy in so many ways

We got the shiny new toy KP and everybody wanted Melo to never touch the ball again even going so far to boo when they passed him the ball. I don’t feel bad for him but for all we know behind the scenes he advised guys to stay away too with the way he was unceremoniously forced out

All of the cool veterans who know their roles and mentor the kids, you know that archetype

Melo had to endure a blacklist because he was such a diva. It wasn’t necessary but it was the only way he learned and became one of the elder stars who put the team first

Prior to that Melo was a pigheaded mf so of course fans got sick of his ball hogging

He’s a better man now. Too bad he had to learn the hard way

[Mister Ed]

There are a multitude of reasons why we should trade Randle. Even prior to this terrible season some wanted to trade him simply off the fact that he didn't fit in the 'win' window of the rest of our young guys due to being a few years old.

Now add the fact that he's been complete garbage this year, you begin to ponder if Randle's great season last year was mostly due to having no fans in the stands. This may have seemed crazy to think last year, but honestly he's shown time and time again he is a weak player mentally, between missing free throws and the famous crumbling in the playoffs last year, one has to wonder if his success during the regular season truly was due to no fans.

It doesn't help that he also NEEDS the offense to run through him, and he ruins the flow. He also hurts us defensively as his effort from last season on that end is completely gone at this point. He completely prevents us from doing ANYTHING with him on the team until 2026.. we'll either have to trade for someone better than him(which in turn would end up with us giving up young assets and picks all just to be maybe a 1st or 2nd round exit for a few years and end up with no good young players at the end of it, for nothing) and he'll actually have to bow out and defer, which I think he wouldn't even be good as an off ball player.. or we need to trade him.

Now begs the questions, what value does Randle have at this point.. ? I honestly don't know right now, do other teams also think he's complete garbage or do they think hmm, maybe as a not #1 option he could do well again.

All I know is that if he continues to play this way, his value will only get worse, and you don't want that contract going all the way through to 2026 if he continues to play this way. Its time to cut bait early before its too late, let him go play #3 option on a team and either flourish or flounder in that situation.

I would honestly even consider trading him for.. yep, I'll say it.. someone like John Wall. Which sounds crazy but if you think about it contract wise, and how negative value Wall has(we'd need a 3rd team maybe to move Randle to, as Rockets are in rebuild mode).. if we're willing to eat this and next year's huge salary. Not to mention the fact that Wall would love to run and gun with the kids. We would end up with cap space the following summer in 2023, instead of being stuck with Randle on the books til 2026. And if Randle's value is still seen as a positive, maybe we can throw in Fournier to get out of his contract too, or even get some picks or something in return. At the end of the day it would be about moving a contract that runs through 2026, for a contract that only runs through 2023. And its Dolan's pockets not mine so idc how much more Wall gets paid over Randle.

So what do you think, should we cut bait ASAP or try to just deal with having him on this team for another 4+ years.....

Overblown. The no fans in the stand argument isn't serious. He is not complete garbage, he is struggling shooting this year. He has his pros and cons. If the ball sticks in his hands, that is the coaches fault. The one thing I will say about him - when you see a player getting an open shot its not because of the beautiful ball movement, its because Randle set a pick. No one else knows how to do that except for Taj. There is no ball movement on this team. If you can make a fair trade to better than team, meaning Wins, do it. if you want to trade him because of our Youth, that is delusional. Obi, Simms, Deuce? Remember when Mitchell, Barrett and KP were our great youth. Can a fan be fined for suggesting we trade him for Wall?

I really don't think the fans in the stands thing isn't serious. He's shown he's mentally weak and seems to play nervously in big moments. As someone who has anxiety, if I hypothetically was somehow in the NBA, and still had it, I'd likely play far better with no fans vs with fans. Not saying Randle has anxiety, but just being shown to be mentally weak, it could have similar effects on his game.

And he has been complete garbage, the stats reflect this. I saw a stat a few days ago, he is a -22 per game this season, that is beyond terrible.

Sure some of it is Thibs fault, he doesn't make adjustments, but you can literally tell when Randle is going to have a selfish game, or a unselfish game usually based on the first few mins of the game. And even his 'unselfish' games he holds the ball for way way way too long.

Also I really disagree on your take about our youth. Will all our youth pan out? No likely not, but they've shown when they're allowed to play together without Randle on the floor it is one of the most effective lineups out there. RJ is so much better with the kids, being able to run and gun down the court instead of Randle forcing the slow methodical poor efficient offense he causes. I'd much rather let the kids play, figure it out and learn while ending up possibly with a good pick(or maybe a worse, since like I said, they've been better with Randle on the bench) than to deal with Randle until 2026.

If Randle continues down this path of being a very poor shooter, on bad efficiency and high usage rate who kills ball movement and doesn't want to play defense, he's only going to lower his trade value even further and we'll genuinely end up stuck with him or having to give up youth just to get him off our books.

As far as the Wall trade suggestion, I thought I explained it pretty well and logically that its about the contract and how it runs out a lot sooner than Randles, while also allowing us to possibly dump another bad contract in the deal such as Fournier's and maybe even getting a pick out of it depending on how good or bad Randle's current value is.

This is just an outright lie - - he is not -22 per game - - how ridiculous, he is a -4.7 a game, which is still not good, it is the same as Fox that everyone wants to trade for however. Hey Morant is - 4.4, Doncic is a -4.0. Pure trash thsoe guys. You want to hate someone, hate China, they are destroying the F World.

[Clyde_Style]

Yeah, Randle doesn’t have that type of pull around the league. Nobody even switch jerseys with him lol

The argument that we’ll look bad if we deal Randle is complete and utter rubbish. The least convincing argument to grace this board in forever. And to top it off that Julius will make us radioactive by speaking ill of us to others players is just pure comedy.

Unfortunately when it happens I’d never be able to prove to you that was the reason and people can just say nah it’s Dolan or whatever. But the players talk especially other players with both links to him and others in the organization like Booker and Towns who I’d hoped we might have a shot at with Leon at the helm

Also note I said if we dealt him for garbage, if it was part of a deal for a good player I think it would be more understandable

These considerations will still have zero impact on trade decisions even if such speculation helps some of you kill the time

[robillionaire]

Cry me a river. Bad franchise failed to surround him with better talent, but he was his own worst enemy in so many ways

We got the shiny new toy KP and everybody wanted Melo to never touch the ball again even going so far to boo when they passed him the ball. I don’t feel bad for him but for all we know behind the scenes he advised guys to stay away too with the way he was unceremoniously forced out

You can bet KP Melo and now Kemba are all going to keep preaching stay away from Knicks and knicks deserve it too problem is us fans are paying price for Dolans stupidity for 21 years now.

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This is a case where I think people who want to tank might be right, because we have done too many players dirty to expect free agents to come, and every time they hit the reset button bring in a new GM and coach and you think it’s a fresh start but it doesn’t really matter that much. We’re gonna have to draft a star. And then hope they don’t pull a KP

[robillionaire]

The argument that we’ll look bad if we deal Randle is complete and utter rubbish. The least convincing argument to grace this board in forever. And to top it off that Julius will make us radioactive by speaking ill of us to others players is just pure comedy.

Unfortunately when it happens I’d never be able to prove to you that was the reason and people can just say nah it’s Dolan or whatever. But the players talk especially other players with both links to him and others in the organization like Booker and Towns who I’d hoped we might have a shot at with Leon at the helm

Also note I said if we dealt him for garbage, if it was part of a deal for a good player I think it would be more understandable

These considerations will still have zero impact on trade decisions even if such speculation helps some of you kill the time

Maybe not. But folks do tell me we can’t play Fournier as a 6th man off the bench because “optics” and it would make the FO look bad after paying him 4 years 80M. And this seems to be a common opinion.

Now how will the optics look for this FO to trade Randle plus probably assets for expiring contracts or for John Wall a few months after signing Randle to an extension, because the team they assembled is crap due to a bad offseason, when they also could have just picked up his team option. Leon might as well clear his desk out after he signs off on that deal because they’d look like erratic nut jobs, it would almost be like a certain poster was running the team whose name sounds like wheelbarrow

[K_ick_God]

the only great player to play here in the past 20 years is melo and he was eventually disrespected scapegoated ran out of town with pitchforks and traded for nothing when he couldn’t make it work surrounded by garbage

Cry me a river. Bad franchise failed to surround him with better talent, but he was his own worst enemy in so many ways

We got the shiny new toy KP and everybody wanted Melo to never touch the ball again even going so far to boo when they passed him the ball. I don’t feel bad for him but for all we know behind the scenes he advised guys to stay away too with the way he was unceremoniously forced out

Guess what, if KP or Randle were really good, you wouldn't even be talking about the background gossip. Great players aren't held back by situations or soap opera. Randle isn't good. He had one good season of shooting 3's, his jumper fails the eye test and the stats test, his decisions are dubious. He's a very strong and fairly agile big man who can shoot off balance shots and make them. The rest is not good and unlike Melo, he really can't make them consistently.

[Jalen Bluntson]

This thread is fuggin hilarious!

The FO sucks... period. The roster is a mess. The HC has flaws and they are on full display but...the roster is still trash. The contracts they gave out this summer are trash. Randle and BadMeat top that list. The direction the team is taking is trash as a result.

The one constant to all of the decades of losing and misery is Dolan.

In summary....trash.

PS...I doubt it gets any better in the next four years either but ..hey...anything is possible.

[thebuzzardman]

Overblown. The no fans in the stand argument isn't serious. He is not complete garbage, he is struggling shooting this year. He has his pros and cons. If the ball sticks in his hands, that is the coaches fault. The one thing I will say about him - when you see a player getting an open shot its not because of the beautiful ball movement, its because Randle set a pick. No one else knows how to do that except for Taj. There is no ball movement on this team. If you can make a fair trade to better than team, meaning Wins, do it. if you want to trade him because of our Youth, that is delusional. Obi, Simms, Deuce? Remember when Mitchell, Barrett and KP were our great youth. Can a fan be fined for suggesting we trade him for Wall?

I really don't think the fans in the stands thing isn't serious. He's shown he's mentally weak and seems to play nervously in big moments. As someone who has anxiety, if I hypothetically was somehow in the NBA, and still had it, I'd likely play far better with no fans vs with fans. Not saying Randle has anxiety, but just being shown to be mentally weak, it could have similar effects on his game.

And he has been complete garbage, the stats reflect this. I saw a stat a few days ago, he is a -22 per game this season, that is beyond terrible.

Sure some of it is Thibs fault, he doesn't make adjustments, but you can literally tell when Randle is going to have a selfish game, or a unselfish game usually based on the first few mins of the game. And even his 'unselfish' games he holds the ball for way way way too long.

Also I really disagree on your take about our youth. Will all our youth pan out? No likely not, but they've shown when they're allowed to play together without Randle on the floor it is one of the most effective lineups out there. RJ is so much better with the kids, being able to run and gun down the court instead of Randle forcing the slow methodical poor efficient offense he causes. I'd much rather let the kids play, figure it out and learn while ending up possibly with a good pick(or maybe a worse, since like I said, they've been better with Randle on the bench) than to deal with Randle until 2026.

If Randle continues down this path of being a very poor shooter, on bad efficiency and high usage rate who kills ball movement and doesn't want to play defense, he's only going to lower his trade value even further and we'll genuinely end up stuck with him or having to give up youth just to get him off our books.

As far as the Wall trade suggestion, I thought I explained it pretty well and logically that its about the contract and how it runs out a lot sooner than Randles, while also allowing us to possibly dump another bad contract in the deal such as Fournier's and maybe even getting a pick out of it depending on how good or bad Randle's current value is.

This is just an outright lie - - he is not -22 per game - - how ridiculous, he is a -4.7 a game, which is still not good, it is the same as Fox that everyone wants to trade for however. Hey Morant is - 4.4, Doncic is a -4.0. Pure trash thsoe guys. You want to hate someone, hate China, they are destroying the F World.

You should go over there and kick their 1.4 billion asses.

I mean, I could get all nationalistic and want our country to kick their countries ass, but the last administration did a bang up job telling me that the government, and I would have to assume by extension the military, since it is part of the government, is in thrall to evil pineal gland eating pedophiles, so I don't feel comfortable backing any plan against China, since it's suspect and run by evil people.
Maybe...like, the Hungarians and Polish and Russians might want a crack at them. Maybe they'll take foreign recruits! The French do, but...it's the French.

[robillionaire]

Cry me a river. Bad franchise failed to surround him with better talent, but he was his own worst enemy in so many ways

We got the shiny new toy KP and everybody wanted Melo to never touch the ball again even going so far to boo when they passed him the ball. I don’t feel bad for him but for all we know behind the scenes he advised guys to stay away too with the way he was unceremoniously forced out

Guess what, if KP or Randle were really good, you wouldn't even be talking about the background gossip. Great players aren't held back by situations or soap opera. Randle isn't good. He had one good season of shooting 3's, his jumper fails the eye test and the stats test, his decisions are dubious. He's a very strong and fairly agile big man who can shoot off balance shots and make them. The rest is not good and unlike Melo, he really can't make them consistently.

KP and Randle are not superstars but were good enough to make an all star team and win some games (KP pre-ACL) and Randle last year. They aren’t great players but starting caliber role players with upside to be borderline all star reserve if their team is winning. So good to have in place as a 2nd or 3rd option if you can get a real star in. Not good enough to be 1st options on consistently winning teams or to win in the playoffs as a first option. But very few players are

[Clyde_Style]

Unfortunately when it happens I’d never be able to prove to you that was the reason and people can just say nah it’s Dolan or whatever. But the players talk especially other players with both links to him and others in the organization like Booker and Towns who I’d hoped we might have a shot at with Leon at the helm

Also note I said if we dealt him for garbage, if it was part of a deal for a good player I think it would be more understandable

These considerations will still have zero impact on trade decisions even if such speculation helps some of you kill the time

Maybe not. But folks do tell me we can’t play Fournier as a 6th man off the bench because “optics” and it would make the FO look bad after paying him 4 years 80M. And this seems to be a common opinion.

Now how will the optics look for this FO to trade Randle plus probably assets for expiring contracts or for John Wall a few months after signing Randle to an extension, because the team they assembled is crap due to a bad offseason, when they also could have just picked up his team option. Leon might as well clear his desk out after he signs off on that deal because they’d look like erratic nut jobs, it would almost be like a certain poster was running the team whose name sounds like wheelbarrow

The league will consider it a tacit admission they made a mistake. They’d eat chit for it, but it would in no way blackball them. We’re on here talking about teamwork and basketball when at the end of the day this is an industry. Every player is a mercernary and every owner is a bag of money looking to make more. So let’s cool it on the emo side of it. It’s big business

[Clyde_Style]

I really don't think the fans in the stands thing isn't serious. He's shown he's mentally weak and seems to play nervously in big moments. As someone who has anxiety, if I hypothetically was somehow in the NBA, and still had it, I'd likely play far better with no fans vs with fans. Not saying Randle has anxiety, but just being shown to be mentally weak, it could have similar effects on his game.

And he has been complete garbage, the stats reflect this. I saw a stat a few days ago, he is a -22 per game this season, that is beyond terrible.

Sure some of it is Thibs fault, he doesn't make adjustments, but you can literally tell when Randle is going to have a selfish game, or a unselfish game usually based on the first few mins of the game. And even his 'unselfish' games he holds the ball for way way way too long.

Also I really disagree on your take about our youth. Will all our youth pan out? No likely not, but they've shown when they're allowed to play together without Randle on the floor it is one of the most effective lineups out there. RJ is so much better with the kids, being able to run and gun down the court instead of Randle forcing the slow methodical poor efficient offense he causes. I'd much rather let the kids play, figure it out and learn while ending up possibly with a good pick(or maybe a worse, since like I said, they've been better with Randle on the bench) than to deal with Randle until 2026.

If Randle continues down this path of being a very poor shooter, on bad efficiency and high usage rate who kills ball movement and doesn't want to play defense, he's only going to lower his trade value even further and we'll genuinely end up stuck with him or having to give up youth just to get him off our books.

As far as the Wall trade suggestion, I thought I explained it pretty well and logically that its about the contract and how it runs out a lot sooner than Randles, while also allowing us to possibly dump another bad contract in the deal such as Fournier's and maybe even getting a pick out of it depending on how good or bad Randle's current value is.

This is just an outright lie - - he is not -22 per game - - how ridiculous, he is a -4.7 a game, which is still not good, it is the same as Fox that everyone wants to trade for however. Hey Morant is - 4.4, Doncic is a -4.0. Pure trash thsoe guys. You want to hate someone, hate China, they are destroying the F World.

You should go over there and kick their 1.4 billion asses.

I mean, I could get all nationalistic and want our country to kick their countries ass, but the last administration did a bang up job telling me that the government, and I would have to assume by extension the military, since it is part of the government, is in thrall to evil pineal gland eating pedophiles, so I don't feel comfortable backing any plan against China, since it's suspect and run by evil people.
Maybe...like, the Hungarians and Polish and Russians might want a crack at them. Maybe they'll take foreign recruits! The French do, but...it's the French.

Preach!

I say let’s wipe out Canada next

[Im Coming Home]

This is just an outright lie - - he is not -22 per game - - how ridiculous, he is a -4.7 a game, which is still not good, it is the same as Fox that everyone wants to trade for however. Hey Morant is - 4.4, Doncic is a -4.0. Pure trash thsoe guys. You want to hate someone, hate China, they are destroying the F World.

Lol the last part is just so random. Anyways, my mistake I misspoke, the correct stat is:

Team is -22 per game with Randle on the court. That’s one of the worst in the league and he is playing tons of minutes (832 minutes). This is the Randle we saw in playoffs but now it’s not just an outlier.

This was from a week or so ago, so maybe its changed a little but point still stands.

[robillionaire]

Where would the Knicks be without Randle and all this great recruiting he’s doing for us? I’m sure the Lakers are kicking themselves for letting Randle go. Maybe they could have gotten top free agents like Fournier instead of settling for Lebron and AD.

Yeah why should we settle when we have a history of greatness like the Lakers and the next quick fix is right around the corner? let’s just sign Lebron and AD instead, great idea. as if KD and Kyrie didn’t shun this dumpster fire franchise when we had cap space so they could go play across the river for a a team with no fanbase. Which led to signing Randle to begin with. Thanks a lot Randle!

[robillionaire]

This is just an outright lie - - he is not -22 per game - - how ridiculous, he is a -4.7 a game, which is still not good, it is the same as Fox that everyone wants to trade for however. Hey Morant is - 4.4, Doncic is a -4.0. Pure trash thsoe guys. You want to hate someone, hate China, they are destroying the F World.

Lol the last part is just so random. Anyways, my mistake I misspoke, the correct stat is:

Team is -22 per game with Randle on the court. That’s one of the worst in the league and he is playing tons of minutes (832 minutes). This is the Randle we saw in playoffs but now it’s not just an outlier.

This was from a week or so ago, so maybe its changed a little but point still stands.

This just doesn’t seem to be true even when you said it a week ago, what are you basing this on. He has only 3 games this year where he was a -22 or worse

[WargamesX]

Side note I remember these kind of thread about Amare and Melo. Now just like those threads deep down we know the trades ain’t happening

[Im Coming Home]

This is just an outright lie - - he is not -22 per game - - how ridiculous, he is a -4.7 a game, which is still not good, it is the same as Fox that everyone wants to trade for however. Hey Morant is - 4.4, Doncic is a -4.0. Pure trash thsoe guys. You want to hate someone, hate China, they are destroying the F World.

Lol the last part is just so random. Anyways, my mistake I misspoke, the correct stat is:

Team is -22 per game with Randle on the court. That’s one of the worst in the league and he is playing tons of minutes (832 minutes). This is the Randle we saw in playoffs but now it’s not just an outlier.

This was from a week or so ago, so maybe its changed a little but point still stands.

This just doesn’t seem to be true even when you said it a week ago, what are you basing this on. He has only 3 games this year where he was a -22 or worse

Sorry got it from reddit but went to double confirm. Seems like they meant a difference of 22~ in NetRtg with Randle on and off the court if I had to guess what they meant.

They're -7.5 with Randle on the court
+14.3 with him off the court.

[Spree2Houston]

Who are you talking about?

Randle? The guy other star players seem to actively avoid and act like he's a nobody to them? That same guy? The one who at the all star game no one passed to? The same Randle who seemingly gets no respect from other teams stars ever, cause that know he was a faux star last year?

Thats the guy who 'knows a lot of people around the league'?

Yeah, Randle doesn’t have that type of pull around the league. Nobody even switch jerseys with him lol

Last time I saw a great player on the MSG floor - it was a few days ago, Curry breaking the all time 3 pt record - and on HIS night, after the game, he was taking pictures at center court with Randle's son. We have really reached Randle Derangement Syndrome in this place. I also saw Artest giving Randle a big hug and saying Randle was a tough guy in a midgame interview with Rebecca Harlow. You people are just talking out of your ass to satisfy a crave.

That’s great - but don’t disregard the first part of the statement which is still true - He doesn’t have that type of pull around the league