What does an RJ extension look like?

[Chanel Bomber]

Oh no nedleeds you're wrong. It's all Mitchs fault. RJ fails to convert over literally one defender after having received a screen before all of his drives because of Mitch. RJ misses his 3 pt shots because of Mitch. You know, cuz using the same argument Mitch mustve drawn his defender all the way out to the 3pt line st the same time as he kept his defender in the lane due to his own lack of a 3 pointer. If you follow multidimensional theory both can take place at the same time. And I guess the reason RJ cannot truly be the alpha must be because Mitch must be taking all of his shot attempts as well.

None of this could possibly be RJs fault. Not our number 3 pick.

Thats the crux of the issue.

Folks placed their hopes on the highest pick since Patrick Ewing in an offseason where everything went wrong for us. Fair. Desperate, but fair. I was certainly a believer.

But folks are now struggling to adjust to new information i.e. the overwhelming statistical evidence that he sucks as an NBA player. Enter cognitive dissonance.

It's hard to let go of a delusion when it's all you have to hold onto to tell yourself it's worth following the team. So then it's all about displacement to protect this idea. It's a defense mechanism. Nobody's holding back RJ - which is not to say that RJ grew in the absolute perfect environment, but very few high lottery picks do. It's a natural phenomenon.

Dude, you are a menace

But hats off to the commitment. At this point no exaggeration to call it zealotry. Pretty much any thread for two years now that mentions RJ turns into Chanel zealously out to prove empirically that a 20, 21, and now 22 y/o cannot/will not improve and that anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

You and RJ seem to have similar work ethics. I can only hope he works on his layup package as hard as you’ve worked on your RJ slander.

I don't believe RJ cannot improve, and I don't think people who believe he will improve are fools. That's just what you infered.

But folks are willing to pay him $100 million + when I think he's worth no more than $10 million a year.

[DowNY]

Oh no nedleeds you're wrong. It's all Mitchs fault. RJ fails to convert over literally one defender after having received a screen before all of his drives because of Mitch. RJ misses his 3 pt shots because of Mitch. You know, cuz using the same argument Mitch mustve drawn his defender all the way out to the 3pt line st the same time as he kept his defender in the lane due to his own lack of a 3 pointer. If you follow multidimensional theory both can take place at the same time. And I guess the reason RJ cannot truly be the alpha must be because Mitch must be taking all of his shot attempts as well.

None of this could possibly be RJs fault. Not our number 3 pick.

Thats the crux of the issue.

Folks placed their hopes on the highest pick since Patrick Ewing in an offseason where everything went wrong for us. Fair. Desperate, but fair. I was certainly a believer.

But folks are now struggling to adjust to new information i.e. the overwhelming statistical evidence that he sucks as an NBA player. Enter cognitive dissonance.

It's hard to let go of a delusion when it's all you have to hold onto to tell yourself it's worth following the team. So then it's all about displacement to protect this idea. It's a defense mechanism. Nobody's holding back RJ - which is not to say that RJ grew in the absolute perfect environment, but very few high lottery picks do. It's a natural phenomenon.

Dude, you are a menace

But hats off to the commitment. At this point no exaggeration to call it zealotry. Pretty much any thread for two years now that mentions RJ turns into Chanel zealously out to prove empirically that a 20, 21, and now 22 y/o cannot/will not improve and that anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

You and RJ seem to have similar work ethics. I can only hope he works on his layup package as hard as you’ve worked on your RJ slander.

Lmfao

[Clyde_Style]

RJ Extensions would look something like this:

[cgmw]

:cry:

Thats the crux of the issue.

Folks placed their hopes on the highest pick since Patrick Ewing in an offseason where everything went wrong for us. Fair. Desperate, but fair. I was certainly a believer.

But folks are now struggling to adjust to new information i.e. the overwhelming statistical evidence that he sucks as an NBA player. Enter cognitive dissonance.

It's hard to let go of a delusion when it's all you have to hold onto to tell yourself it's worth following the team. So then it's all about displacement to protect this idea. It's a defense mechanism. Nobody's holding back RJ - which is not to say that RJ grew in the absolute perfect environment, but very few high lottery picks do. It's a natural phenomenon.

Dude, you are a menace

But hats off to the commitment. At this point no exaggeration to call it zealotry. Pretty much any thread for two years now that mentions RJ turns into Chanel zealously out to prove empirically that a 20, 21, and now 22 y/o cannot/will not improve and that anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

You and RJ seem to have similar work ethics. I can only hope he works on his layup package as hard as you’ve worked on your RJ slander.

I don't believe RJ cannot improve, and I don't think people who believe he will improve are fools. That's just what you infered.

But folks are willing to pay him $100 million + when I think he's worth no more than $10 million a year.

Fred Katz just polled a dozen league execs who had RJ worth $15m/per at worst and up to $30m at best.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, and frankly at this point I’m kind of invested in the Chanel story as much as I am in the RJ story, but you do realize you’re 300% more pessimistic than the most optimistic professional and 33% more pessimistic than the most pessimistic professional NBA executive, right?

That kind of passionate outlier is normally called an extremist.

[Clyde_Style]

Thats the crux of the issue.

Folks placed their hopes on the highest pick since Patrick Ewing in an offseason where everything went wrong for us. Fair. Desperate, but fair. I was certainly a believer.

But folks are now struggling to adjust to new information i.e. the overwhelming statistical evidence that he sucks as an NBA player. Enter cognitive dissonance.

It's hard to let go of a delusion when it's all you have to hold onto to tell yourself it's worth following the team. So then it's all about displacement to protect this idea. It's a defense mechanism. Nobody's holding back RJ - which is not to say that RJ grew in the absolute perfect environment, but very few high lottery picks do. It's a natural phenomenon.

Dude, you are a menace

But hats off to the commitment. At this point no exaggeration to call it zealotry. Pretty much any thread for two years now that mentions RJ turns into Chanel zealously out to prove empirically that a 20, 21, and now 22 y/o cannot/will not improve and that anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

You and RJ seem to have similar work ethics. I can only hope he works on his layup package as hard as you’ve worked on your RJ slander.

Lmfao

This is Chanel’s most used browser bookmark

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Dude, you are a menace

But hats off to the commitment. At this point no exaggeration to call it zealotry. Pretty much any thread for two years now that mentions RJ turns into Chanel zealously out to prove empirically that a 20, 21, and now 22 y/o cannot/will not improve and that anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

You and RJ seem to have similar work ethics. I can only hope he works on his layup package as hard as you’ve worked on your RJ slander.

Lmfao

This is Chanel’s most used browser bookmark

I'm not sure it's technically a bookmark. I mean, I'm almost sure he just types "RJ" and the rest just snap auto-fills.

[Clyde_Style]

Lmfao

This is Chanel’s most used browser bookmark

I'm not sure it's technically a bookmark. I mean, I'm almost sure he just types "RJ" and the rest just snap auto-fills.

You can bookmark a Google search query as surely as you can private label a container of motor oil

[Jeffrey]

:cry:

Dude, you are a menace

But hats off to the commitment. At this point no exaggeration to call it zealotry. Pretty much any thread for two years now that mentions RJ turns into Chanel zealously out to prove empirically that a 20, 21, and now 22 y/o cannot/will not improve and that anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

You and RJ seem to have similar work ethics. I can only hope he works on his layup package as hard as you’ve worked on your RJ slander.

I don't believe RJ cannot improve, and I don't think people who believe he will improve are fools. That's just what you infered.

But folks are willing to pay him $100 million + when I think he's worth no more than $10 million a year.

Fred Katz just polled a dozen league execs who had RJ worth $15m/per at worst and up to $30m at best.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, and frankly at this point I’m kind of invested in the Chanel story as much as I am in the RJ story, but you do realize you’re 300% more pessimistic than the most optimistic professional and 33% more pessimistic than the most pessimistic professional NBA executive, right?

That kind of passionate outlier is normally called an extremist.

Well after the Mitch signing, I don't see RJ getting 15 at this point.

[Ghetto Gospel]

:cry:
I don't believe RJ cannot improve, and I don't think people who believe he will improve are fools. That's just what you infered.

But folks are willing to pay him $100 million + when I think he's worth no more than $10 million a year.

Fred Katz just polled a dozen league execs who had RJ worth $15m/per at worst and up to $30m at best.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, and frankly at this point I’m kind of invested in the Chanel story as much as I am in the RJ story, but you do realize you’re 300% more pessimistic than the most optimistic professional and 33% more pessimistic than the most pessimistic professional NBA executive, right?

That kind of passionate outlier is normally called an extremist.

Well after the Mitch signing, I don't see RJ getting 15 at this point.

he most certainly will, or else he leaves and we lose him for nothing

[Jeffrey]

Fred Katz just polled a dozen league execs who had RJ worth $15m/per at worst and up to $30m at best.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, and frankly at this point I’m kind of invested in the Chanel story as much as I am in the RJ story, but you do realize you’re 300% more pessimistic than the most optimistic professional and 33% more pessimistic than the most pessimistic professional NBA executive, right?

That kind of passionate outlier is normally called an extremist.

Well after the Mitch signing, I don't see RJ getting 15 at this point.

he most certainly will, or else he leaves and we lose him for nothing

You really think Mitch has the same value as RJ and you're willing to let him just walk?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Take foul rules getting changed, RJ is going to benefit from it, this thread is gonna age poorly.

I’m wondering your opinion on how you foresee this rule change impacting these players more than others, is it just because they run the floor more or something else

Anyone that can grab the board and push off a rebound should see some kind of efficiency bump, teams are going to be afraid to gift their opponents 1 pt and the ball. You could now in theory see more teams built around pushing pace, someone like Giannis is going to be incredibly hard to stop now. I actually expect Randle to get better off this

[Nazrmohamed]

Oh no nedleeds you're wrong. It's all Mitchs fault. RJ fails to convert over literally one defender after having received a screen before all of his drives because of Mitch. RJ misses his 3 pt shots because of Mitch. You know, cuz using the same argument Mitch mustve drawn his defender all the way out to the 3pt line st the same time as he kept his defender in the lane due to his own lack of a 3 pointer. If you follow multidimensional theory both can take place at the same time. And I guess the reason RJ cannot truly be the alpha must be because Mitch must be taking all of his shot attempts as well.

None of this could possibly be RJs fault. Not our number 3 pick.

Thats the crux of the issue.

Folks placed their hopes on the highest pick since Patrick Ewing in an offseason where everything went wrong for us. Fair. Desperate, but fair. I was certainly a believer.

But folks are now struggling to adjust to new information i.e. the overwhelming statistical evidence that he sucks as an NBA player. Enter cognitive dissonance.

It's hard to let go of a delusion when it's all you have to hold onto to tell yourself it's worth following the team. So then it's all about displacement to protect this idea. It's a defense mechanism. Nobody's holding back RJ - which is not to say that RJ grew in the absolute perfect environment, but very few high lottery picks do. It's a natural phenomenon.

Dude, you are a menace

But hats off to the commitment. At this point no exaggeration to call it zealotry. Pretty much any thread for two years now that mentions RJ turns into Chanel zealously out to prove empirically that a 20, 21, and now 22 y/o cannot/will not improve and that anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

You and RJ seem to have similar work ethics. I can only hope he works on his layup package as hard as you’ve worked on your RJ slander.

Well Mitch is 24 and will be trash the rest of his life according to most fans here. And yes maybe I'm stuck in the 2000s cuz I remember when people understood that C was the position that took the longest to develop in the nba. Not SG, especially when the draftee was supposed to be coming in bigger than all his peers at the position and had an nba ready frame. Also when you consider the amount of attempts RJ gets compared to a C......with the ball in his hands on top of that.

So for sure RJ can and will improve but he hasn't done much so far and he's going into his 4rth yr. You tell me, do we take off the kiddie gloves before or after you tender him a 25mil per yr extension. You tell me, is he more or less reliable than Julius Randle. And don't give me Julius behavior, thumbs down and all that noise. Could you rely on RJ to carry an offense for a season? Then why would we pay him more than someone who does?

[Nazrmohamed]

:cry:

Dude, you are a menace

But hats off to the commitment. At this point no exaggeration to call it zealotry. Pretty much any thread for two years now that mentions RJ turns into Chanel zealously out to prove empirically that a 20, 21, and now 22 y/o cannot/will not improve and that anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

You and RJ seem to have similar work ethics. I can only hope he works on his layup package as hard as you’ve worked on your RJ slander.

I don't believe RJ cannot improve, and I don't think people who believe he will improve are fools. That's just what you infered.

But folks are willing to pay him $100 million + when I think he's worth no more than $10 million a year.

Fred Katz just polled a dozen league execs who had RJ worth $15m/per at worst and up to $30m at best.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, and frankly at this point I’m kind of invested in the Chanel story as much as I am in the RJ story, but you do realize you’re 300% more pessimistic than the most optimistic professional and 33% more pessimistic than the most pessimistic professional NBA executive, right?

That kind of passionate outlier is normally called an extremist.

Good then let's pay him 18mil and call it a day.

[cgmw]

Thats the crux of the issue.

Folks placed their hopes on the highest pick since Patrick Ewing in an offseason where everything went wrong for us. Fair. Desperate, but fair. I was certainly a believer.

But folks are now struggling to adjust to new information i.e. the overwhelming statistical evidence that he sucks as an NBA player. Enter cognitive dissonance.

It's hard to let go of a delusion when it's all you have to hold onto to tell yourself it's worth following the team. So then it's all about displacement to protect this idea. It's a defense mechanism. Nobody's holding back RJ - which is not to say that RJ grew in the absolute perfect environment, but very few high lottery picks do. It's a natural phenomenon.

Dude, you are a menace

But hats off to the commitment. At this point no exaggeration to call it zealotry. Pretty much any thread for two years now that mentions RJ turns into Chanel zealously out to prove empirically that a 20, 21, and now 22 y/o cannot/will not improve and that anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

You and RJ seem to have similar work ethics. I can only hope he works on his layup package as hard as you’ve worked on your RJ slander.

Well Mitch is 24 and will be trash the rest of his life according to most fans here. And yes maybe I'm stuck in the 2000s cuz I remember when people understood that C was the position that took the longest to develop in the nba. Not SG, especially when the draftee was supposed to be coming in bigger than all his peers at the position and had an nba ready frame. Also when you consider the amount of attempts RJ gets compared to a C......with the ball in his hands on top of that.

So for sure RJ can and will improve but he hasn't done much so far and he's going into his 4rth yr. You tell me, do we take off the kiddie gloves before or after you tender him a 25mil per yr extension. You tell me, is he more or less reliable than Julius Randle. And don't give me Julius behavior, thumbs down and all that noise. Could you rely on RJ to carry an offense for a season? Then why would we pay him more than someone who does?

Just my opinion, but RJ’s future as a Knick was destroyed the day Dolan’s minions signed Randle as a consolation prize to Durant/Kyrie in 2019 instead of doing what a normal rebuilding team would have and should have done, which is take another stab or two at the lottery to acquire stars on RJ’s timeline.

Giving RJ $25m per is only a problem because we’re supposedly a “win now” team yet we don’t have any “win now” players. Why pay RJ or Brunson or any longterm veteran when you’re a lotto team lacking All Stars?

Do you realize what the RJ extension decision would look like had Sam Presti or Danny Ainge or Masai Ujiri been given full autonomy of the Knicks in 2018-19? We’d be extending RJ this year, then Lamelo or Ant next year, and then maybe Mobley the year after that. And nobody would say a peep about “is he worth it.”

So what do we do with RJ back in reality? We do what we always do. We dig the hole deeper and sign him. My guess is they trade him in a heartbeat in a package with Obi for Donovan should the Jazz even breathe our direction.

[Nazrmohamed]

Dude, you are a menace

But hats off to the commitment. At this point no exaggeration to call it zealotry. Pretty much any thread for two years now that mentions RJ turns into Chanel zealously out to prove empirically that a 20, 21, and now 22 y/o cannot/will not improve and that anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

You and RJ seem to have similar work ethics. I can only hope he works on his layup package as hard as you’ve worked on your RJ slander.

Well Mitch is 24 and will be trash the rest of his life according to most fans here. And yes maybe I'm stuck in the 2000s cuz I remember when people understood that C was the position that took the longest to develop in the nba. Not SG, especially when the draftee was supposed to be coming in bigger than all his peers at the position and had an nba ready frame. Also when you consider the amount of attempts RJ gets compared to a C......with the ball in his hands on top of that.

So for sure RJ can and will improve but he hasn't done much so far and he's going into his 4rth yr. You tell me, do we take off the kiddie gloves before or after you tender him a 25mil per yr extension. You tell me, is he more or less reliable than Julius Randle. And don't give me Julius behavior, thumbs down and all that noise. Could you rely on RJ to carry an offense for a season? Then why would we pay him more than someone who does?

Just my opinion, but RJ’s future as a Knick was destroyed the day Dolan’s minions signed Randle as a consolation prize to Durant/Kyrie in 2019 instead of doing what a normal rebuilding team would have and should have done, which is take another stab or two at the lottery to acquire stars on RJ’s timeline.

Giving RJ $25m per is only a problem because we’re supposedly a “win now” team yet we don’t have any “win now” players. Why pay RJ or Brunson or any longterm veteran when you’re a lotto team lacking All Stars?

Do you realize what the RJ extension decision would look like had Sam Presti or Danny Ainge or Masai Ujiri been given full autonomy of the Knicks in 2018-19? We’d be extending RJ this year, then Lamelo or Ant next year, and then maybe Mobley the year after that. And nobody would say a peep about “is he worth it.”

So what do we do with RJ back in reality? We do what we always do. We dig the hole deeper and sign him. My guess is they trade him in a heartbeat in a package with Obi for Donovan should the Jazz even breathe our direction.

See this I agree with. We drafted RJ and had him be a rookie starter which I guess isn't bad but in a role players role sandwiched in between our star journeymen I'm Randle AND Morris. Don't forget Morris our second star that yr. ( low-key I love Morris as a player, just not a SF getting more touches than the player I just drafted 3rd. So I feel you there.

But you mentioned something in that last paragraph. You said RJ and Obi for Donovan? You just may be right so save this post.

[Ghetto Gospel]

Well after the Mitch signing, I don't see RJ getting 15 at this point.

he most certainly will, or else he leaves and we lose him for nothing

You really think Mitch has the same value as RJ and you're willing to let him just walk?

rj has had value for a while simply as just a 3rd overall pick prospect. it would be malpractice by the FO to just let him walk for nothing without not having extracted an asset. he must be resigned

[Jalen Bluntson]

RJ needs to up his TS% if he expects Mitch Robinson money.

[Bob Ross]

Just under the max. The kid is a keeper

[Jalen Bluntson]

I hope he doesn't get Mitch money! That would be so egregious. 4/60? Jaokim Noah money!

[Chanel Bomber]

:cry:

Dude, you are a menace

But hats off to the commitment. At this point no exaggeration to call it zealotry. Pretty much any thread for two years now that mentions RJ turns into Chanel zealously out to prove empirically that a 20, 21, and now 22 y/o cannot/will not improve and that anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

You and RJ seem to have similar work ethics. I can only hope he works on his layup package as hard as you’ve worked on your RJ slander.

I don't believe RJ cannot improve, and I don't think people who believe he will improve are fools. That's just what you infered.

But folks are willing to pay him $100 million + when I think he's worth no more than $10 million a year.

Fred Katz just polled a dozen league execs who had RJ worth $15m/per at worst and up to $30m at best.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, and frankly at this point I’m kind of invested in the Chanel story as much as I am in the RJ story, but you do realize you’re 300% more pessimistic than the most optimistic professional and 33% more pessimistic than the most pessimistic professional NBA executive, right?

That kind of passionate outlier is normally called an extremist.

And a majority of polled executives once voted KAT, and before him Anthony Davis, the player they would build a franchise around.

I think $15 million for RJ would be a substantial overpay for RJ, though at least not a crippling one. My biggest issue is when people call for him to get $20, $30 million a year - let alone a max extension. This has disaster written all over it.

I was called extreme when I called Frank a bust and when I said KP was a role player. How did that turn out? Reality has extreme outcomes, among a full range of outcomes, some less striking.

I don't think noticing consistent patterns of suckitude for a player across all impact metrics over a 3-year span, and infering that he should not get a massive NBA contract before showing some semblance of impact is an extreme position. This position is informed by overwhelming statistical evidence, and follows a logic.

I'd say banking on the unknown of a player's perceived upside (due largely to draft position, which has not always proven to be an indicator of talent) - while ignoring all the statistical red flags - is much more of an extreme take.