Randle's Future

[Clyde_Style]

I don’t deny his talent or the value he can bring to the team especially at his pay grade butZzz

He’s a square peg in a round hole. He plays a completely different game than the rest of his teammates. The hard part of trading him is that there’s not a huge market for him because other teams realize that his game and play style requires you to change your offense to fit him.
The other issue is his mental fortitude, which we’ve seen swing in both directions over the past 5 years. I’d be very hesitant giving him any type of extension this offseason before seeing how he gels with the reshaped roster and our players ideas of their rolls. Maybe him sitting out a bit gave him a sense of his place on the team and his need to fit in.

I know for a fact that some members of this team felt he was rooting for the Knicks to lose during the Philly series. I don’t know if the air was cleared, or it was addressed but I know that’s how certain players felt during the course of the series. That scares the **** out of me.

I am ok running it back with him this year, but I can’t see how you extend him right now. And if you’re not gonna extend him, he’s just going to be trade bait.

Should be interesting to see how it plays out.

Where did you get that from?

A super duper reliable source told me personally (if i said who it was you'd be like ok they would know this) that Randle had left the court early Game 5 vs Philly before Maxeys explosion. And there was a reaction like wtf what he didnt want to see us celebrate? and then he showed up to Game 6 vs Philly and thought was "wtf are you doing here, you here to watch us lose?" He was there during the Pacers series so maybe it was addressed and this person also said that Leon loves Ju.

I've been posting on here forever, I have nothing to gain by creating this story.

I guess leaving early raises questions, but that would still fall heavily under conjecture about his state of mind. The only fact may be he left a game early.

[robillionaire]

I agree but kind of kills the vibes that OG didn't take a bit less. I get the sixers were ready to offer max and he technically took a bit less per year from us but not by much really. Don't normally hold that against anyone but if other guys are taking less - like imagine Ihart takes less to stay with us, brunson gets his extension and Randle takes less... Meanwhile OG is chilling as the highest paid guy in the team. Doesn't feel right but it is what it is I guess.

Randle already did take a discount the first time he extended here btw

And he will have to do it again. He's not getting a max deal

I assume he’d accept a fair offer to stay as long as things are going well, especially since he signed back with CAA. So I’m optimistic they will work something out that makes everyone happy

[Clyde_Style]

Randle already did take a discount the first time he extended here btw

And he will have to do it again. He's not getting a max deal

I assume he’d accept a fair offer to stay as long as things are going well, especially since he signed back with CAA. So I’m optimistic they will work something out that makes everyone happy

We should expect him to be re-signed. It doesn't mean he can't or won't be traded, but I think the odds are they are going to stick with him.

[spree8]

I don’t wanna go thru the same thing we did with OG and now iHart with Randle next summer. He’s gunna get paid regardless, even if it doesn’t work out for whatever reason, I’d rather have him as a trade chip than not, especially with not having many assets remaining.

If he signs a team-friendly deal like he did in 2021 and how Jalen is rumored to now, I think it’s smarter to get it over with than risk the alternative. There’s risk either way, but I think this way is the lesser of the two.

He'll be making $40 mill per and will be over 30, another bad playoff run and he's not going to be easily movable especially not under the new CBA. Brunson is due an extension as well, we're clearly going to be a 2nd apron team when these guys all get extended and moving someone that may not be a playoff performer will not be as easy as it used to be.


We're in an area of huge risk now.

No matter what anyone says, there is still considerable risk involved if Randle flames out in his third playoff appearance as a Knick. He'd become completely untradeable at that point and one thing I think this FO office may value as much is having players under contract who do have a market in case they ever need to pivot and make a deal.

Seems like you guys are focused on just one side of the coin… “what if it goes bad?” I think he’s shown enough to this point to get the benefit of the doubt. I’m not disregarding your concerns, they’re warranted, but I just don’t think it’s enough to be the deciding factor. “What if… it turns out well?” Personally, I’m looking at…

1: The salary cap inflating soon. 40 mil won’t be much at all for a player with his accolades (3 time All-Star, 2 time All-NBA). PG is right now older than Randle would be when this contract extension ends and this guy is looking to sign another 4 year max right now. It’s really not bad at all by comparison.

2: How well he played prior to his injury. He was clearly on course to another All-NBA Team selection imo. This was his best year of his career. The guy was having fun, playing team ball, more bully ball, not fighting, complaining, and just gel’ing.

3: The success and the analytics playing with Jalen n OG was amazing, really amazing. The fact that we’re gunna get that again along with Mikal too, and Jalen on another level, I don’t see how anyone couldn’t be optimistic about it.

4: He signed here when KD/Kyrie didn’t. He didn’t want to be traded after a horrid 2020 season. Instead he hit another level. When trade rumors came back about getting rid of him while his value was high, he said he wanted to stay still. Despite the crowd booing him, and the thumbs down stuff, he wanted to stay. Despite even more trade rumors and fans calling for his head, he wanted to stay. He even had a commercial saying he wasn’t going anywhere lol. Dude worked on his mental, bounced back and still wants to stay and win a chip here. He played injured AF last year in the PO despite busting his ankle twice (before and during the playoffs) and getting bowed by Bam in the eye and clipped in mid air by Jarrett. I’ve thrown so much shade at this man (and since walked it back), but shyt, he deserves my respect.

5: 2021 playoffs the man had zero help offensively. On the court and on the sidelines. Thibs couldn’t come up with anything to help him from the constant doubles. We just didn’t have the personnel. 2023 playoffs ..the aforementioned injuries. He still tried to play thru it… was just too much. Gotta give him that credit for trying. He gets a pass from me even tho I was irrationally hard on him at the time. He's shown enough recently for me to believe he can do what we need him to do in the PO.

[3toheadmelo]

He'll be making $40 mill per and will be over 30, another bad playoff run and he's not going to be easily movable especially not under the new CBA. Brunson is due an extension as well, we're clearly going to be a 2nd apron team when these guys all get extended and moving someone that may not be a playoff performer will not be as easy as it used to be.


We're in an area of huge risk now.

No matter what anyone says, there is still considerable risk involved if Randle flames out in his third playoff appearance as a Knick. He'd become completely untradeable at that point and one thing I think this FO office may value as much is having players under contract who do have a market in case they ever need to pivot and make a deal.

Seems like you guys are focused on just one side of the coin… “what if it goes bad?” I think he’s shown enough to this point to get the benefit of the doubt. I’m not disregarding your concerns, they’re warranted, but I just don’t think it’s enough to be the deciding factor. “What if… it turns out well?” Personally, I’m looking at…

1: The salary cap inflating soon. 40 mil won’t be much at all for a player with his accolades (3 time All-Star, 2 time All-NBA). PG is right now older than Randle would be when this contract extension ends and this guy is looking to sign another 4 year max right now. It’s really not bad at all by comparison.

2: How well he played prior to his injury. He was clearly on course to another All-NBA Team selection imo. This was his best year of his career. The guy was having fun, playing team ball, more bully ball, not fighting, complaining, and just gel’ing.

3: The success and the analytics playing with Jalen n OG was amazing, really amazing. The fact that we’re gunna get that again along with Mikal too, and Jalen on another level, I don’t see how anyone couldn’t be optimistic about it.

4: He signed here when KD/Kyrie didn’t. He didn’t want to be traded after a horrid 2020 season. Instead he hit another level. When trade rumors came back about getting rid of him while his value was high, he said he wanted to stay still. Despite the crowd booing him, and the thumbs down stuff, he wanted to stay. Despite even more trade rumors and fans calling for his head, he wanted to stay. He even had a commercial saying he wasn’t going anywhere lol. Dude worked on his mental, bounced back and still wants to stay and win a chip here. He played injured AF last year in the PO despite busting his ankle twice (before and during the playoffs) and getting bowed by Bam in the eye and clipped in mid air by Jarrett. I’ve thrown so much shade at this man (and since walked it back), but shyt, he deserves my respect.

5: 2021 playoffs the man had zero help offensively. On the court and on the sidelines. Thibs couldn’t come up with anything to help him from the constant doubles. We just didn’t have the personnel. 2023 playoffs ..the aforementioned injuries. He still tried to play thru it… was just too much. Gotta give him that credit for trying. He gets a pass from me even tho I was irrationally hard on him at the time. He's shown enough recently for me to believe he can do what we need him to do in the PO.

[Synciere]

Randle is still our only true inside of the arc offensive weapon besides Jalen’s drives. He’s critical to our offense IMO, even if he stops the ball at times. If we trade him, I don’t see how we get better.

[HarthorneWingo]

I have no problem extending Randle now but can see us/him waiting until after the season. I think we should bring him back. He brings a lot more physicality that other teams don’t have. Combine that with our outside shooting makes us really dangerous.

[Clyde_Style]

He'll be making $40 mill per and will be over 30, another bad playoff run and he's not going to be easily movable especially not under the new CBA. Brunson is due an extension as well, we're clearly going to be a 2nd apron team when these guys all get extended and moving someone that may not be a playoff performer will not be as easy as it used to be.


We're in an area of huge risk now.

No matter what anyone says, there is still considerable risk involved if Randle flames out in his third playoff appearance as a Knick. He'd become completely untradeable at that point and one thing I think this FO office may value as much is having players under contract who do have a market in case they ever need to pivot and make a deal.

Seems like you guys are focused on just one side of the coin… “what if it goes bad?” I think he’s shown enough to this point to get the benefit of the doubt. I’m not disregarding your concerns, they’re warranted, but I just don’t think it’s enough to be the deciding factor. “What if… it turns out well?” Personally, I’m looking at…

1: The salary cap inflating soon. 40 mil won’t be much at all for a player with his accolades (3 time All-Star, 2 time All-NBA). PG is right now older than Randle would be when this contract extension ends and this guy is looking to sign another 4 year max right now. It’s really not bad at all by comparison.

2: How well he played prior to his injury. He was clearly on course to another All-NBA Team selection imo. This was his best year of his career. The guy was having fun, playing team ball, more bully ball, not fighting, complaining, and just gel’ing.

3: The success and the analytics playing with Jalen n OG was amazing, really amazing. The fact that we’re gunna get that again along with Mikal too, and Jalen on another level, I don’t see how anyone couldn’t be optimistic about it.

4: He signed here when KD/Kyrie didn’t. He didn’t want to be traded after a horrid 2020 season. Instead he hit another level. When trade rumors came back about getting rid of him while his value was high, he said he wanted to stay still. Despite the crowd booing him, and the thumbs down stuff, he wanted to stay. Despite even more trade rumors and fans calling for his head, he wanted to stay. He even had a commercial saying he wasn’t going anywhere lol. Dude worked on his mental, bounced back and still wants to stay and win a chip here. He played injured AF last year in the PO despite busting his ankle twice (before and during the playoffs) and getting bowed by Bam in the eye and clipped in mid air by Jarrett. I’ve thrown so much shade at this man (and since walked it back), but shyt, he deserves my respect.

5: 2021 playoffs the man had zero help offensively. On the court and on the sidelines. Thibs couldn’t come up with anything to help him from the constant doubles. We just didn’t have the personnel. 2023 playoffs ..the aforementioned injuries. He still tried to play thru it… was just too much. Gotta give him that credit for trying. He gets a pass from me even tho I was irrationally hard on him at the time. He's shown enough recently for me to believe he can do what we need him to do in the PO.

I'm actually fine with going forwards with Randle. As I just posted, I expect him to be offered an extension.

Keep in mind that risk management always entertains worst case scenarios. Randle has had his ups and downs as a Knick and they are unavoidable considerations, both in terms of positives or potential negatives.

In an ideal world, Randle comes back unaffected by his injury and plays at the same level he was playing at before he went down. I do not think you'd find anyone having a problem with that version of Randle.

[HarthorneWingo]

Randle is still our only true inside of the arc offensive weapon besides Jalen’s drives. He’s critical to our offense IMO, even if he stops the ball at times. If we trade him, I don’t see how we get better.

The Celtics don’t have anyone who can deal with Julius inside the paint.

[Ursusamericanus]

I have no problem extending Randle now but can see us/him waiting until after the season. I think we should bring him back. He brings a lot more physicality that other teams don’t have. Combine that with our outside shooting makes us really dangerous.

Fully agree with this, he brings an element of physicality, shooting, foul drawing, and toughness that other teams struggle to contain. I think he's a key piece of this team and very much want him back. Plus, he wants to win in NY more than anything and it drives him every day. I've gone back and forth on him a couple times but he definitely fits. And he's worked on his attitude a lot.

[Synciere]

Randle is still our only true inside of the arc offensive weapon besides Jalen’s drives. He’s critical to our offense IMO, even if he stops the ball at times. If we trade him, I don’t see how we get better.

The Celtics don’t have anyone who can deal with Julius inside the paint.

Indeed.

Also, with Mikal, we now have 4 defenders who can make KP work out of that high post he’s so dangerous from. It’s like we have our own Tim Connelly of the East Coast.

[Reign23]

Other. Give it this season, then possible re-sign or possible trade. Or just keep him. Have to see how team looks

nothing to add here.

[seren]

Randle’s future with the Knicks is quite safe with the new cap rules. You can’t replace his production for the salary he is making. Easier to just continue extending him.

[Bob Ross]

Keep and extend. Julius has been awesome and has earned it

[Moose]

Randle's future might involve playing the 5.

[CharlesOakley]

^^We have a pretty interesting small-ball lineup with Jalen at the 1, Josh at the 2, Mikal at the 3, OG at the 4 and Julius at the 5. I would think the defense is strong enough to cover some of Julius' weaknesses, while having great spacing and good rebounding.

It's something we would never get to look at if we resigned Ihart.

[dakomish23]

They're going to pay him and maybe move him later if it doesn't work out, knowing you can just do OG at the 4

[LookToShoot]

Flip Randle for Markkanen, easy.

[Jalen Bluntson]

He'll be making $40 mill per and will be over 30, another bad playoff run and he's not going to be easily movable especially not under the new CBA. Brunson is due an extension as well, we're clearly going to be a 2nd apron team when these guys all get extended and moving someone that may not be a playoff performer will not be as easy as it used to be.


We're in an area of huge risk now.

No matter what anyone says, there is still considerable risk involved if Randle flames out in his third playoff appearance as a Knick. He'd become completely untradeable at that point and one thing I think this FO office may value as much is having players under contract who do have a market in case they ever need to pivot and make a deal.

Seems like you guys are focused on just one side of the coin… “what if it goes bad?” I think he’s shown enough to this point to get the benefit of the doubt. I’m not disregarding your concerns, they’re warranted, but I just don’t think it’s enough to be the deciding factor. “What if… it turns out well?” Personally, I’m looking at…

1: The salary cap inflating soon. 40 mil won’t be much at all for a player with his accolades (3 time All-Star, 2 time All-NBA). PG is right now older than Randle would be when this contract extension ends and this guy is looking to sign another 4 year max right now. It’s really not bad at all by comparison.

2: How well he played prior to his injury. He was clearly on course to another All-NBA Team selection imo. This was his best year of his career. The guy was having fun, playing team ball, more bully ball, not fighting, complaining, and just gel’ing.

3: The success and the analytics playing with Jalen n OG was amazing, really amazing. The fact that we’re gunna get that again along with Mikal too, and Jalen on another level, I don’t see how anyone couldn’t be optimistic about it.

4: He signed here when KD/Kyrie didn’t. He didn’t want to be traded after a horrid 2020 season. Instead he hit another level. When trade rumors came back about getting rid of him while his value was high, he said he wanted to stay still. Despite the crowd booing him, and the thumbs down stuff, he wanted to stay. Despite even more trade rumors and fans calling for his head, he wanted to stay. He even had a commercial saying he wasn’t going anywhere lol. Dude worked on his mental, bounced back and still wants to stay and win a chip here. He played injured AF last year in the PO despite busting his ankle twice (before and during the playoffs) and getting bowed by Bam in the eye and clipped in mid air by Jarrett. I’ve thrown so much shade at this man (and since walked it back), but shyt, he deserves my respect.

5: 2021 playoffs the man had zero help offensively. On the court and on the sidelines. Thibs couldn’t come up with anything to help him from the constant doubles. We just didn’t have the personnel. 2023 playoffs ..the aforementioned injuries. He still tried to play thru it… was just too much. Gotta give him that credit for trying. He gets a pass from me even tho I was irrationally hard on him at the time. He's shown enough recently for me to believe he can do what we need him to do in the PO.

This. I was expecting to see a January run right out the gate next season. Everyone healthy with maybe some marginal moves. We added Mikal but we lost iHart so things will certainly look different different now but, I am still looking forward to the last version of Randle being a part of it. Trusting his teammates. Sharing the ball. Bully down low. His effort on D was better with OG around. I am not concerned with his playoffs of the past for the reasons you explained plus, he was a different player with the new roster. I think he enjoyed being a cog in the machine for a change as opposed to trying to carry them. It was a noticeable difference and we were rolling over everyone.

He's not going anywhere anyway.

[HarthorneWingo]

Just resign him now and not play games.