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Post#61 » by R-DAWG » Sat Apr 19, 2025 1:55 pm

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For all the flaws of the Brunson/Towns pairing - there is simply too much talent there to throw it away after one season.

I think we need to focus on breaking up the wings to create a deeper, more balanced roster. Towns needs to play with a rim protector and we need another shot creator.

Deuce, Mitch, Dadiet, Kolek for Kessler and Sexton. They’re both still young. It solves all the problems.


Deuce is the only one with real value from our players in this trade. Mitch 1 year rent and Kolek have limited value, and Dadiethas has no value.


And Duce’s value is somewhat limited. We signed both Cam Payne and Landry Shamet for the minimum this past summer and they are capable of giving us 70% of what Duce does on a nightly basis.

One thing is might consider is seeing if we can flip Duce for a pick in the late 20’s in this years draft. This would open up 1.5 or so mm below the 2nd apron this year, have a cost controlled contract on the books in 28-29 when we need to come out of the 2nd apron, and potentially add a better fit on the roster than an undersized 2.
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Post#62 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Apr 19, 2025 2:56 pm

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spree2kawhi wrote:Deuce, Mitch, Dadiet, Kolek for Kessler and Sexton. They’re both still young. It solves all the problems.


Deuce is the only one with real value from our players in this trade. Mitch 1 year rent and Kolek have limited value, and Dadiethas has no value.


And Duce’s value is somewhat limited. We signed both Cam Payne and Landry Shamet for the minimum this past summer and they are capable of giving us 70% of what Duce does on a nightly basis.

One thing is might consider is seeing if we can flip Duce for a pick in the late 20’s in this years draft. This would open up 1.5 or so mm below the 2nd apron this year, have a cost controlled contract on the books in 28-29 when we need to come out of the 2nd apron, and potentially add a better fit on the roster than an undersized 2.


Neither of them is as reliable a 3 point shooter as Deuce. I don't care if the shooting %s are close.
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Post#63 » by WaltFrazier » Sat Apr 19, 2025 3:45 pm

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spree2kawhi wrote:I don’t think that’s solid decision-making. Did he even play 30 games this year? We don’t need to make a deal because of Murphy, we have Bridges.


I’m not as high on KAT as others are. I’d like to flip him this off season as the KAT-Brunson pairing isn’t ideal. Maybe a new coach can change my mind.


For all the flaws of the Brunson/Towns pairing - there is simply too much talent there to throw it away after one season.

I think we need to focus on breaking up the wings to create a deeper, more balanced roster. Towns needs to play with a rim protector and we need another shot creator.


I'd like to see if a different coach could get more synergy, more of a two man game out of JB and Kat. As it is they just play more your turn my turn. And I have to fault JB for not creatively getting KAT the ball in optimal spots especially on pick n pops for threes
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Post#64 » by R-DAWG » Sat Apr 19, 2025 7:53 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:
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I’m not as high on KAT as others are. I’d like to flip him this off season as the KAT-Brunson pairing isn’t ideal. Maybe a new coach can change my mind.


For all the flaws of the Brunson/Towns pairing - there is simply too much talent there to throw it away after one season.

I think we need to focus on breaking up the wings to create a deeper, more balanced roster. Towns needs to play with a rim protector and we need another shot creator.


I'd like to see if a different coach could get more synergy, more of a two man game out of JB and Kat. As it is they just play more your turn my turn. And I have to fault JB for not creatively getting KAT the ball in optimal spots especially on pick n pops for threes


The most likely outcome:

Summer of 2025 - change the coach and make some changes in the margins (taxpayer mle, maybe flip Mitch or Hart, different minimum signing)

Summer of 2026 - finally a chance to use some draft capital (26 1st, 33 1st trade eligible) but big 2nd apron restrictions. Potentially consider breaking up Bridges/Anunoby. Bridges and Mitch due new contracts.

Summer of 2027 - this is probably the first point where you would consider a KAT trade

Summer of 2028 - big decisions need to be made assuming NY has been in the 2nd apron the past 2 years. It’s also a challenging time as Brunson will be entering his age 32 season and in line for a 35% max. NY will still be out unprotected 1st rd picks in 2029 and 2031. OG will be in the last year of his deal (assuming he picks up his option) and KAT a free agent. This isn’t exactly a great situation to be in, especially for a team with a 2nd rd ceiling.
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Post#65 » by Jeffrey » Sat Apr 19, 2025 7:56 pm

Knowing what we know about OG is that he can be a 24+ PPG guy with elite defense if given the chance. I love KAT but we will see how much they will pick on his defense and if he can be a net positive.

But how absurd would it be entertain trading KAT multiple high-level starters which then creates depth for ourselves. I felt like last year, we had a lot of good depth if injury didn't happen during the playoffs.
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Post#66 » by WaltFrazier » Sat Apr 19, 2025 8:09 pm

R-DAWG wrote:
WaltFrazier wrote:
R-DAWG wrote:
For all the flaws of the Brunson/Towns pairing - there is simply too much talent there to throw it away after one season.

I think we need to focus on breaking up the wings to create a deeper, more balanced roster. Towns needs to play with a rim protector and we need another shot creator.


I'd like to see if a different coach could get more synergy, more of a two man game out of JB and Kat. As it is they just play more your turn my turn. And I have to fault JB for not creatively getting KAT the ball in optimal spots especially on pick n pops for threes


The most likely outcome:

Summer of 2025 - change the coach and make some changes in the margins (taxpayer mle, maybe flip Mitch or Hart, different minimum signing)

Summer of 2026 - finally a chance to use some draft capital (26 1st, 33 1st trade eligible) but big 2nd apron restrictions. Potentially consider breaking up Bridges/Anunoby. Bridges and Mitch due new contracts.

Summer of 2027 - this is probably the first point where you would consider a KAT trade

Summer of 2028 - big decisions need to be made assuming NY has been in the 2nd apron the past 2 years. It’s also a challenging time as Brunson will be entering his age 32 season and in line for a 35% max. NY will still be out unprotected 1st rd picks in 2029 and 2031. OG will be in the last year of his deal (assuming he picks up his option) and KAT a free agent. This isn’t exactly a great situation to be in, especially for a team with a 2nd rd ceiling.


Or else, summer of 2025 don't change coaches, then a year from now we're saying the same things
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Post#67 » by sogood » Sun Apr 20, 2025 4:14 am

Jeffrey wrote:Knowing what we know about OG is that he can be a 24+ PPG guy with elite defense if given the chance. I love KAT but we will see how much they will pick on his defense and if he can be a net positive.

But how absurd would it be entertain trading KAT multiple high-level starters which then creates depth for ourselves. I felt like last year, we had a lot of good depth if injury didn't happen during the playoffs.


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Post#68 » by robillionaire » Sun Apr 20, 2025 1:04 pm

sogood wrote:
Jeffrey wrote:Knowing what we know about OG is that he can be a 24+ PPG guy with elite defense if given the chance. I love KAT but we will see how much they will pick on his defense and if he can be a net positive.

But how absurd would it be entertain trading KAT multiple high-level starters which then creates depth for ourselves. I felt like last year, we had a lot of good depth if injury didn't happen during the playoffs.


lmao.


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Post#69 » by seren » Sun Apr 20, 2025 1:28 pm

KAT is amazing. OG is awesome. JB is our leader. You can trade these individuals for hall of famers but the side moves will only make this team way worse. Build around these three. Heck give a chance to this current squad with a different coach if we fail this year, but do not prematurely move these guys. Together they are a guaranteed winning season every year.
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Post#70 » by pwayknicks » Sun Apr 20, 2025 1:34 pm

Just need to swap hart in the lineup with a 4 who can rim protect and hit 3s. And then get a new coach and run is back . Swapping Shamef with a divi kind would be nice too


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Post#71 » by R-DAWG » Sun Apr 20, 2025 10:08 pm

pwayknicks wrote:Just need to swap hart in the lineup with a 4 who can rim protect and hit 3s. And then get a new coach and run is back . Swapping Shamef with a divi kind would be nice too


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A guy who can rim protect and hit 3’s is the hardest thing in the league to find.

What we need to do is play a base lineup with KAT and a rim protector with Hart of the bench and use KAT at C lineups as a change of pace.
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Post#72 » by spree2kawhi » Mon Apr 21, 2025 11:30 am

Jackson-Davis with the DNP-CD. Hin and moody may be interesting.
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Post#73 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:55 pm

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R-DAWG wrote:
Richard4444 wrote:
Deuce is the only one with real value from our players in this trade. Mitch 1 year rent and Kolek have limited value, and Dadiethas has no value.


And Duce’s value is somewhat limited. We signed both Cam Payne and Landry Shamet for the minimum this past summer and they are capable of giving us 70% of what Duce does on a nightly basis.

One thing is might consider is seeing if we can flip Duce for a pick in the late 20’s in this years draft. This would open up 1.5 or so mm below the 2nd apron this year, have a cost controlled contract on the books in 28-29 when we need to come out of the 2nd apron, and potentially add a better fit on the roster than an undersized 2.


Neither of them is as reliable a 3 point shooter as Deuce. I don't care if the shooting %s are close.


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Post#74 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:57 pm

pwayknicks wrote:Just need to swap hart in the lineup with a 4 who can rim protect and hit 3s. And then get a new coach and run is back . Swapping Shamef with a divi kind would be nice too


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I see OG as the 4, with Hart as the 3 who is a jack of all trades but mainly is there to help with the rebounding deficiencies of OG, who is only an "ok" rebounder. Mikal isn't exactly an elite rebounder for a guard either.

It would probably be easier to find a 3 who can make shots and slide OG to "4"
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Post#75 » by sol537 » Mon Apr 21, 2025 5:09 pm

I can see a Giannis + Portis Jr. for KAT + Bridges trade playing out. Unlikely, sure, but not entirely impossible. I think this is the summer/season that Giannis gets dealt. He's paid his dues and they'll do right by him I would think. The question will be whether they want to fully rebuild or simply pivot to a different kind of competitive team.

Portis / Giannis / OG / McCullar Jr. / Brunson
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Post#76 » by TheGreenArrow » Tue Apr 22, 2025 11:27 pm

sol537 wrote:I can see a Giannis + Portis Jr. for KAT + Bridges trade playing out. Unlikely, sure, but not entirely impossible. I think this is the summer/season that Giannis gets dealt. He's paid his dues and they'll do right by him I would think. The question will be whether they want to fully rebuild or simply pivot to a different kind of competitive team.

Portis / Giannis / OG / McCullar Jr. / Brunson
Bench: Mitch / Shamet / Deuce / Payne


Lamelo/Brunson/Herb/Zion/blopez
Jhart/kolek/hukporti/vetmin

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Post#77 » by seren » Wed Apr 23, 2025 12:10 am

If Milwaukee trades Giannis, they would do it to rebuild. They don’t need veterans. Best case scenario is they are fine with all expiring contracts we have plus every pick we can trade. Not sure it is still enough though or it works under the cap
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Post#78 » by sol537 » Wed Apr 23, 2025 1:45 pm

seren wrote:If Milwaukee trades Giannis, they would do it to rebuild. They don’t need veterans. Best case scenario is they are fine with all expiring contracts we have plus every pick we can trade. Not sure it is still enough though or it works under the cap


We don't know their thinking... they could very well want a full teardown or they could want to pivot to a competitive playoff team (Dame, KAT, Bridges gives them that). Who knows for sure. We can only offer KAT/Bridges realistically. A pick-heavy deal would mean OKC, BRK, or HOU, probably.
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Post#79 » by spree8 » Wed Apr 23, 2025 5:46 pm

sol537 wrote:
seren wrote:If Milwaukee trades Giannis, they would do it to rebuild. They don’t need veterans. Best case scenario is they are fine with all expiring contracts we have plus every pick we can trade. Not sure it is still enough though or it works under the cap


We don't know their thinking... they could very well want a full teardown or they could want to pivot to a competitive playoff team (Dame, KAT, Bridges gives them that). Who knows for sure. We can only offer KAT/Bridges realistically. A pick-heavy deal would mean OKC, BRK, or HOU, probably.



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NYK: Giannis, M.Kleber
LAL: Mitch
MEM: Mikal
HOU: OG
MIL: J.Green, R.Sheppard, J.Wells, D.Knecht, S.Pippen Jr, GG Jax, B.Clarke

Let whatever team that needs to, add picks to MIL. But that’s a decent rebuilding package for the Bucks. They can ship out Dame, Brook, and Bobby for more of the same, and just tank for 2026.

Lakers get the same center type trade they wanted to make, Rockets def make this deal and add picks no doubt, Memphis gets the guy they wanted for a while and a legit starting sf. We sign Delon back and some other vets..

Brunson | Delon | Kolek
Beasley? | Deuce
Hart | Dadiet
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Towns | Huk

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