Thibs Thibs and More Thibs.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Again, I point out Game 6 close out versus Boston when the game was well in hand and JB had to go up to Tom to tell him to take the starters out. That was one of the most bizarre things I've seen, it was like Tom was locked into a trance or something.

That's not normal man. I dunno what else to say at this point.

after game 1 of the ECF, can you at least understand the concern and aversion to relaxing too early?

not saying he doesn't go too far with it. asking, can you understand where it's coming from?

I totally understand where he's coming from, but he has gotta be reasonable with it and be aware enough to know when it's time to pull the plug.

fully agree

[Iron Mantis]

The Obi Toppin trade is sad especially

He got traded for two 2nd round picks.

Pacers won the trade. They traded for Obi and used him to beat us.

he barely played calm down. he averaged 9/5 in 19 minutes. Still even that small of a role for 2 second rounders is great value.

19 mpg in the playoffs is a pretty sizeable role off the bench and he hit a game winning three on us

I will say he wasn't worth keeping at the $13 to $16 million a season he is making with the Pacers.

We had Achiuwa who could do most of what Toppin could do, EXCEPT for hitting threes consistently which is absolutely crucial and the reason why he only got minutes for us as a 3rd string Center.

Yes 19 mpg is sizable and he produced.

Throughout the series Obi had multiple back-breaking plays against us in crunch time over multiple games. Carlisle used him in closing lineups. Because of Thibs, he was given away for free to a rival ..and he personally beat us...that makes me sick.

Thibs would never be flexible enough to use a bench player like that to close big games . .... Thibs doesn't value bench players unless he falls in love and develops a weird attachment to you even to the team's detriment. Either he loves you or hates you.

We need a different coach.

[Im Coming Home]

Maybe I'm misremembering but didn't Brunson sound less enthusiastic about Thibs at the end of the regular season interviews? I thought he said some pretty surprising stuff at the time.

Only for him to kinda get into defensive mode about Thibs at the end of Game 6..

[MrDollarBills]

Again, I don't think Tom is going to be fired nor am I calling for it. We made the conference finals. That's nothing to disregard.

But some things have gotta change. There are very valid concerns being raised in this thread. That Jeff Teague video is damning. Bondy's tweet could be BS or maybe he's heard somethings that are cause for alarm in terms of how this team can recruit players to bolster the bench.

No matter what happens personnel wise, Tom has gotta embrace where the game is right now and adapt. The way we play makes offense way harder than it should be with the amount of talent on this roster.

[Iron Mantis]

Again, I don't think Tom is going to be fired nor am I calling for it. We made the conference finals. That's nothing to disregard.

But some things have gotta change. There are very valid concerns being raised in this thread. That Jeff Teague video is damning. Bondy's tweet could be BS or maybe he's heard somethings that are cause for alarm in terms of how this team can recruit players to bolster the bench.

No matter what happens personnel wise, Tom has gotta embrace where the game is right now and adapt. The way we play makes offense way harder than it should be with the amount of talent on this roster.

At this stage in his career, it is Not going to happen.

If Those are the qualities you are looking for in a coach then Tom will have to be replaced.

[cgmw]

Erman is the ex lawyer who fought his way into the league by being an assistant coach for the G-League Celtics and wound up a valuable assistant on the Rivers chip team that had Thibs on it.

He's relatively young. Not Thibs old.

I know, I didn't note his age, just the Warriors scandal. I'm amazed he was able to overcome that and still get an NBA job

I think he had already burnished his reputation via the chip Celtics.

But it's impressive he kept an NBA job after that.

Maybe Thibs rescued his NBA career.

Erman and Greer are the Thibs loyalist body men. I thought it was why Thibs was such a good fit for Dolan — they both surround themselves with unqualified yes men.

[sol537]

Throw the 5-year bag at Dan Hurley who has an out clause with CT I heard... It's the perfect time to make the transition.

[thebuzzardman]

I know, I didn't note his age, just the Warriors scandal. I'm amazed he was able to overcome that and still get an NBA job

I think he had already burnished his reputation via the chip Celtics.

But it's impressive he kept an NBA job after that.

Maybe Thibs rescued his NBA career.

Erman and Greer are the Thibs loyalist body men. I thought it was why Thibs was such a good fit for Dolan — they both surround themselves with unqualified yes men.

Erman has proven himself to be an excellent defensive assistant.

Thibs still the main issue.

I look at it this way.

Trade KAT, keep Thibs.

Keep KAT, fire Thibs (or promote him to VP of Staring At The Wall)

[thebuzzardman]

Again, I don't think Tom is going to be fired nor am I calling for it. We made the conference finals. That's nothing to disregard.

But some things have gotta change. There are very valid concerns being raised in this thread. That Jeff Teague video is damning. Bondy's tweet could be BS or maybe he's heard somethings that are cause for alarm in terms of how this team can recruit players to bolster the bench.

No matter what happens personnel wise, Tom has gotta embrace where the game is right now and adapt. The way we play makes offense way harder than it should be with the amount of talent on this roster.

At this stage in his career, it is Not going to happen.

If Those are the qualities you are looking for in a coach then Tom will have to be replaced.

This.

Thibs doesn't really change and IMHO, he's always slow to adjust. In game, game to game etc.
That margin of error is what loses playoff series. (Hi game 1 ECF!)

[kNicksGmen]

The Obi Toppin trade is sad especially

He got traded for two 2nd round picks.

Pacers won the trade. They traded for Obi and used him to beat us.

he barely played calm down. he averaged 9/5 in 19 minutes. Still even that small of a role for 2 second rounders is great value.

19 mpg in the playoffs is a pretty sizeable role off the bench and he hit a game winning three on us

I will say he wasn't worth keeping at the $13 to $16 million a season he is making with the Pacers.

We had Achiuwa who could do most of what Toppin could do, EXCEPT for hitting threes consistently which is absolutely crucial and the reason why he only got minutes for us as a 3rd string Center.

when did he hit a game winning 3? are you talking about the 3 he hit when they were up 7 with 40 something seconds left? i wouldn't even call it a dagger.

[BKlutch]

Again, I point out Game 6 close out versus Boston when the game was well in hand and JB had to go up to Tom to tell him to take the starters out. That was one of the most bizarre things I've seen, it was like Tom was locked into a trance or something.

That's not normal man. I dunno what else to say at this point.

after game 1 of the ECF, can you at least understand the concern and aversion to relaxing too early?

not saying he doesn't go too far with it. asking, can you understand where it's coming from?

During the game, I thought Thibs was worried he'd have a heart attack if the game were lost, so he was too anxious to send in the bench. Of course, you can't really tell by looking at him. But all the talk was he had to make the ECF to keep his job. Thibs has no other life besides basketball, so I'm sure keeping his job is incredibly important to him. That's why I think making him GM would be a win-win.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Throw the 5-year bag at Dan Hurley who has an out clause with CT I heard... It's the perfect time to make the transition.

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We’ve let too much slide.

- We waited too long to step in when threads were derailed or dominated by personal agendas.
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That silence let the floor drop. And for that, we own it.


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- Personal shots: Debate the point. Don’t attack the poster.
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so, this is what we mean when we talk about repetition and post quality consideration. some of these are literally copied and pasted.

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that's not even all of them. just a recent selection.

all- if you've said it once, thrice, 100 times... strongly consider whether or not you should say it yet again.

[Iron Mantis]

he barely played calm down. he averaged 9/5 in 19 minutes. Still even that small of a role for 2 second rounders is great value.

19 mpg in the playoffs is a pretty sizeable role off the bench and he hit a game winning three on us

I will say he wasn't worth keeping at the $13 to $16 million a season he is making with the Pacers.

We had Achiuwa who could do most of what Toppin could do, EXCEPT for hitting threes consistently which is absolutely crucial and the reason why he only got minutes for us as a 3rd string Center.

when did he hit a game winning 3? are you talking about the 3 he hit when they were up 7 with 40 something seconds left? i wouldn't even call it a dagger.

A shot that puts the game out of reach is generally considered a dagger.

But that's not really what's being debated. The point is that we need a coach who values and trusts his bench. Obi is just an example of how Thibs wasted a valuable bench player.

[BKlutch]

Tbh, I can see how it comes about, but if JB is really having a significant input into who the HC should be and roster building that's bad. He comes across as a person big on personal relationships and standing by your people. That's admirable for the player who's the leader of the team. The GM needs to be much more ruthless.

And a big question if they did change head coaches is, what happens to Rick. New coaches often like to bring their own assistants in

A new coach should have the right to bring in his own assistants and keep only any coaches he wants. That said, given the relationship with JB, I have a feeling the new coach would make one slot available for Rick, as long as Rick agrees not to say too much during games.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Again, I point out Game 6 close out versus Boston when the game was well in hand and JB had to go up to Tom to tell him to take the starters out. That was one of the most bizarre things I've seen, it was like Tom was locked into a trance or something.

That's not normal man. I dunno what else to say at this point.

after game 1 of the ECF, can you at least understand the concern and aversion to relaxing too early?

not saying he doesn't go too far with it. asking, can you understand where it's coming from?

During the game, I thought Thibs was worried he'd have a heart attack if the game were lost, so he was too anxious to send in the bench. Of course, you can't really tell by looking at him. But all the talk was he had to make the ECF to keep his job. Thibs has no other life besides basketball, so I'm sure keeping his job is incredibly important to him. That's why I think making him GM would be a win-win.

not sure how excited i'd be about GM thibs. maybe, executive director of toughness and togetherness?

[BKlutch]

after game 1 of the ECF, can you at least understand the concern and aversion to relaxing too early?

not saying he doesn't go too far with it. asking, can you understand where it's coming from?

During the game, I thought Thibs was worried he'd have a heart attack if the game were lost, so he was too anxious to send in the bench. Of course, you can't really tell by looking at him. But all the talk was he had to make the ECF to keep his job. Thibs has no other life besides basketball, so I'm sure keeping his job is incredibly important to him. That's why I think making him GM would be a win-win.

not sure how excited i'd be about GM thibs. maybe, executive director of toughness and togetherness?

LOL fine, but he would need to do that AI-created dance we've all seen on a regular basis. You know, of course, the man's an icon for all those who are, or about to become, bald. He's made more of those 10 hairs than anyone I know

[Jeff Van Gully]

During the game, I thought Thibs was worried he'd have a heart attack if the game were lost, so he was too anxious to send in the bench. Of course, you can't really tell by looking at him. But all the talk was he had to make the ECF to keep his job. Thibs has no other life besides basketball, so I'm sure keeping his job is incredibly important to him. That's why I think making him GM would be a win-win.

not sure how excited i'd be about GM thibs. maybe, executive director of toughness and togetherness?

LOL fine, but he would need to do that AI-created dance we've all seen on a regular basis. You know, of course, the man's an icon for all those who are, or about to become, bald. He's made more of those 10 hairs than anyone I know

they fluctuate in density. it's so wild. sometimes i be like, "bro got on that hims? let me find out."

[Guano]

I don't see how thibs survives that game 1 collapse.

Thats in of itself is worthy of being fired. It was such an egregious mistake that he cant keep his job. Maybe it could be forgiven if the roster wasn't extremely talented and loaded with future assets. But he essentially lost an opportunity. And we can't go into next year with the problem looming.

Plus a bunch of other minor, maybe major, things point to a change in coach is necessary.

[BKlutch]

not sure how excited i'd be about GM thibs. maybe, executive director of toughness and togetherness?

LOL fine, but he would need to do that AI-created dance we've all seen on a regular basis. You know, of course, the man's an icon for all those who are, or about to become, bald. He's made more of those 10 hairs than anyone I know

they fluctuate in density. it's so wild. sometimes i be like, "bro got on that hims? let me find out."

Maybe But I think he also dyed his hair black to make them stand out. Did he think that the contrast with his scalp wouldn't be more apparent? Me to Thibs: Look at the video!

[JayTWill]

At this point I don't expect Thibs to be fired since the team made it to the ECF but I don't think he should be judged solely on the results of how far the team made it. Honestly they were just as close to losing in the 1st round as they were to making it to the finals. It took a historic 21-0 run against an inexperienced Pistons team led by Payne who I don't believe played a single minute in the 2nd half of any game after that outside of garbage time to win game 1. That along with the non-call on the Hart foul probably saved Thibs job.