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thebuzzardman wrote:Brunson’s value is at an all time high
Knicks should try to get into the top 5 of the draft
JayTWill wrote:KnixinSix wrote:JayTWill wrote:
Yeah there are some extreme opinions about the moves the Knicks can make. There are some that think some moves are impossible and then there is the other extreme of thinking a move can easily be made. If you are going to point out a move wasn't impossible you also have to acknowledge it cost a lot more than you may have expected and some of your valuations may be off.
Now we are getting somewhere. I never post these things as some kind of 90-100% scenarios but simply based on the combination of circumstances of the particular situation: player/team/contract/reports/rumors etc.
If enough things line up of the above it simply opens up a legitimate enough possibility worthy of discussion especially in a thread dedicated to possible trades and transactions.
Obviously noone is talking about guys like Antman, Tatum, Haliburton, Wembanyama, etc coming available because it just wouldnt make sense given an honest look at their respective situations as a whole.
But when you look at guys with one year left, or teams clearly looking to rebuild or shuffle their identity a bit, or a guy that didnt qualify for a supermax, or a guy that might want to leave his team etc. You see how many pieces line up and you simply state it as a hopeful possibility that who knows.... might start to percolate.
Another example. KDs is obviously extremely available yet with that said I kinda guessed he is lower on our list due to a number of reasons. In other words there are more ideal options for our vision, our current roster construction, fit in the culture etc. Thats why even though I recognized it isnt necessarily a 0 sum scenario and threw out a couple trade scenarios including him ....I also felt other guys were a better fit and said as much.
But still some of the scenarios you envision seem to be very unlikely sometimes. Last year you not only thought we could get KAT but we could also get Kessler for Randle, Mitch, Deuce and maybe Dadiet I believe.
This time you are suggesting things like the Wolves send back DDV who they really wanted for Mitch who they didn't want last summer and the Knicks are going to be able to replace Mitch by trading Mikal, some 2026 1st that doesn't exist and a couple 2nds for JJJ. [Edit - Mitch might be going to Phoenix in your scenario]
Part of your reasoning for Memphis being willing to trade JJJ is that he is on an expiring deal and may walk but for some reason they are going to really value Mikal's expiring deal despite him having the same ability to walk at the end of the season. Another team is also going to value an injury prone Mitch on an expiring deal too.
I'm not saying deals for DDV and JJJ can't be done but if they do occur they may cost more than you expected once again and then you have to decide if it is worth it at that point.
KnixinSix wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:KnixinSix wrote:
It has potential for the reasons presented many times by myself and others. It may not happen but you can not definitively say no chance either (just as you were convinced of OG KAT and Bridges not happening)
So, JJJ is on the market, we enter the trade discussions with what? Meanwhile, the Spurs decide they'd like to have the biggest most shot blocking frontcourt in the NBA, and put their offer on the table, the Pistons who are linked to wanting a stretch big enter the fray as well. How do we beat their offers with no picks left, and no young players?
JJJ makes it clear Knicks are his preferred destination. Teams are likely not going to give a big offer for a guy who bolts at end of year. Bridges plus some sweeteners is not some garbage offer either. He slots EXCELLENTLY next to Ja in the backcourt as a 2/3. If JJJ is like sure, Ill extend with Detroit or SA that of course changes the dynamic entirely. But being CAA and personally knowing Rose....the connections run deep and could easily seeing him pushing to come here specifically.
Further Memphis probably isnt prioritizing just young guys they want winners and two way players and guys who will fit in their innovative offense (who are still young like Mikal). Bridges could easily fit that bill next to Ja.
Richard4444 wrote:KnixinSix wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
So, JJJ is on the market, we enter the trade discussions with what? Meanwhile, the Spurs decide they'd like to have the biggest most shot blocking frontcourt in the NBA, and put their offer on the table, the Pistons who are linked to wanting a stretch big enter the fray as well. How do we beat their offers with no picks left, and no young players?
JJJ makes it clear Knicks are his preferred destination. Teams are likely not going to give a big offer for a guy who bolts at end of year. Bridges plus some sweeteners is not some garbage offer either. He slots EXCELLENTLY next to Ja in the backcourt as a 2/3. If JJJ is like sure, Ill extend with Detroit or SA that of course changes the dynamic entirely. But being CAA and personally knowing Rose....the connections run deep and could easily seeing him pushing to come here specifically.
Further Memphis probably isnt prioritizing just young guys they want winners and two way players and guys who will fit in their innovative offense (who are still young like Mikal). Bridges could easily fit that bill next to Ja.
The problem is Mikal is also an expiring and I do not believe he wants to go to Memphis.
knickstape4ever wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:Brunson’s value is at an all time high
Knicks should try to get into the top 5 of the draft
I really hope they win it all with Brunson, b/c ngl I'm kinda jealous of OKC and how they built thru the draft. I respect the hell out of that. Presti is a genius and he's still loaded w/ picks
Philly interested in Mikal? I'll take the #3 pick. Ace Bailey will be a star
knickstape4ever wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:Brunson’s value is at an all time high
Knicks should try to get into the top 5 of the draft
I really hope they win it all with Brunson, b/c ngl I'm kinda jealous of OKC and how they built thru the draft. I respect the hell out of that. Presti is a genius and he's still loaded w/ picks
Philly interested in Mikal? I'll take the #3 pick. Ace Bailey will be a star
knickstape4ever wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:Brunson’s value is at an all time high
Knicks should try to get into the top 5 of the draft
I really hope they win it all with Brunson, b/c ngl I'm kinda jealous of OKC and how they built thru the draft. I respect the hell out of that. Presti is a genius and he's still loaded w/ picks
Philly interested in Mikal? I'll take the #3 pick. Ace Bailey will be a star
KnixinSix wrote:RHODEY wrote:KnixinSix wrote:
Once again, he is in last year of his deal and they don't have the ability to supermax him. AND of course he is CAA. No-one is garanteeing anything but there are quite a few reasons why it could happen. A lot of the impetus for a team needing to trade someone is present.
You doubted KAT, OG and Bridges too....convinced in your mind how each could basically NEVER happen.
I would LOVE JJJ on the Knicks.
Obviously not a garanteed scenario he is going to be available but....he is most definitely in a favorable leverage scenario. If he indicates he will move on from team or he wants to go somewhere specific, I would bet Memphis would move him for a decent player that fits in their rotation in return. You start to think of all the KAT CAA ties and how that was lining up and sure enough that happened. If Giannis is plan A you might not hear anything but aside from maybe Giannis this should be our top target if in fact he has interest in coming here.
RHODEY wrote:KnixinSix wrote:RHODEY wrote:I would LOVE JJJ on the Knicks.
Obviously not a garanteed scenario he is going to be available but....he is most definitely in a favorable leverage scenario. If he indicates he will move on from team or he wants to go somewhere specific, I would bet Memphis would move him for a decent player that fits in their rotation in return. You start to think of all the KAT CAA ties and how that was lining up and sure enough that happened. If Giannis is plan A you might not hear anything but aside from maybe Giannis this should be our top target if in fact he has interest in coming here.
Ofcourse not guaranteed, but he's a damn nice fit with Kat and the team overall. I was watching a random Memphis game last season and was blown away with how improved his 3 point shot was.
KnixinSix wrote:RHODEY wrote:KnixinSix wrote:
Obviously not a garanteed scenario he is going to be available but....he is most definitely in a favorable leverage scenario. If he indicates he will move on from team or he wants to go somewhere specific, I would bet Memphis would move him for a decent player that fits in their rotation in return. You start to think of all the KAT CAA ties and how that was lining up and sure enough that happened. If Giannis is plan A you might not hear anything but aside from maybe Giannis this should be our top target if in fact he has interest in coming here.
Ofcourse not guaranteed, but he's a damn nice fit with Kat and the team overall. I was watching a random Memphis game last season and was blown away with how improved his 3 point shot was.
I know to most its kinda common sense it is not guaranteed. Lol. However some act like when we dare speculate on any half way decent trade possibility we are acting like they are done deals.
In any event, I totally 100% agree. As I surveyed the landscape of guys that could potentially become available, this is the guy that seems such a perfect potential fit on Team CAA. LA is Team Klutch and Knicks are Team CAA. Its kinda clear as day at this point. Heck even OG 'coincidentally' switched to CAA a few months before he 'coincidentally' ended up here. Doesn't mean it always
works out that way but there is no doubt a strong correlation.
Dude is on last year of his deal and Memphis can't supermax which largely eliminates any financial advantage they had in keeping him. He has strong ties with Leon as he was his former agent. Just like he was KATs.
Bridges is a very nice piece for that Memphis team. Very nice. In that new offense they are trying to run. Heck it could be a Bridges, Mitch and 2026 #1 for JJJ, Clarke kind of scenario. Salaries match up almost perfectly. Then you play JJJ/KAT and Huk splitting minutes at 5 and then KAT/JJJ/OG splitting minutes at the 4.
One of my fave scenarios of the offseason especially if we can pull of getting Divo back too.
