Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks

[Jalen Bluntson]

Berman says we still haven't called the Rockets back.. ha I guess they really want to make them sweat

I stopped reading at Berman!

[stuporman]

Awwww poor widdle Welo not gettin what he wants when he wants while he gets paid tens of millions of dollars and the Knicks ruin their immediate rebuild plan with garbage contracts to do it for him, somebody get him a tissue.... and then tell him to stfu and suck it up bish.

[BKlutch]

Great new potential avi's for WINGO.

[Hemispheres]

Bad look for Melo here. Coming off as the selfish b*tch many people have accused him of being in the past.

[aq_ua]

The funniest thing is that Morey probably is hoping that the Knicks front office react like some of you guys that just want to "get it over with" and "trade him for whatever" and "move on".

Good thing the Knicks front office apparently is finally thinking with the big head.

There is an analogy from another time in Knick history that isn't THAT far in the past. I'm reminded of discussions on other basketball forums, probably early 00's, where this transaction was more fresh.

A player had become disgruntled and wanted off the team. To accommodate that player, he was dealt for bad contracts coming back, which the Knicks ultimately were stuck with, or wound up dealing for other bad contracts.

Patrick Ewing.

Now, Melo is much more still in his prime or effective than Ewing was at that point. But both share wanting to be dealt, with a large contract, and not many more years on the contract.

Knicks caved on Ewing and wound up taking back contracts at least as long, if not longer, for players that weren't that good, instead of letting Ewing expire.

Here we are again. Unless Melo nets us a pick, even a low first rounder, and an actual useful young player, but no contract that exceed the length of Melo's current deal, even assuming he'd opt in (which isn't a given, as disgruntled), then personally, I'd rather they keep him and let him expire, even if it takes 2 years (not likely)

One point of contention is perhaps that we didn't so much cave to Ewing's demands as respected him for what he contributed as a Knick and went further than perhaps we should to cater to a legend. My only regret with Ewing is that he let his ego get the better of him, not the fact that we made the trade that we did.

The subtle dig here is that I don't think Melo has earned the same right as Ewing.

[louieOrr]

Berman says we still haven't called the Rockets back.. ha I guess they really want to make them sweat

I think the rockets know what we want, that hasn't changed. Expirings, young player, + a pick. If HOU doesn't have that they need to somehow get us that.

Wait..let's talk about the foundation of a trade that would bring back expirings, a young player, and a pick.

Do the Rockets have any young assets? No.
Do the Rockets need to find a third team to take on Anderson's contract? Yes.

Ok so in your hypothetical end result the Rockets would have to find a third team that not only would accept Ryan Anderson's contract, but would have to part with a young player to the Knicks . Even after all that, you expect the Knicks to end up with a pick as well. Add a fourth or fifth team? The more teams added the less likely it happens. Why? Why would a team join a trade to help the Rockets get Carmelo without compensation? At the end of the day you will not find ANY trade proposals that give the Knicks all the things you are looking for. Some of you guys aren't realistic at all.

We don't care what the Rockets have to do. That's what your missing. MP correctly listed what we should be getting back. I have said the same. That's why Melo is gonna have to expand his teams, or stay here, which he doesn't want to do.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

The funniest thing is that Morey probably is hoping that the Knicks front office react like some of you guys that just want to "get it over with" and "trade him for whatever" and "move on".

Good thing the Knicks front office apparently is finally thinking with the big head.

There is an analogy from another time in Knick history that isn't THAT far in the past. I'm reminded of discussions on other basketball forums, probably early 00's, where this transaction was more fresh.

A player had become disgruntled and wanted off the team. To accommodate that player, he was dealt for bad contracts coming back, which the Knicks ultimately were stuck with, or wound up dealing for other bad contracts.

Patrick Ewing.

Now, Melo is much more still in his prime or effective than Ewing was at that point. But both share wanting to be dealt, with a large contract, and not many more years on the contract.

Knicks caved on Ewing and wound up taking back contracts at least as long, if not longer, for players that weren't that good, instead of letting Ewing expire.

Here we are again. Unless Melo nets us a pick, even a low first rounder, and an actual useful young player, but no contract that exceed the length of Melo's current deal, even assuming he'd opt in (which isn't a given, as disgruntled), then personally, I'd rather they keep him and let him expire, even if it takes 2 years (not likely)

One point of contention is perhaps that we didn't so much cave to Ewing's demands as respected him for what he contributed as a Knick and went further than perhaps we should to cater to a legend. My only regret with Ewing is that he let his ego get the better of him, not the fact that we made the trade that we did.

The subtle dig here is that I don't think Melo has earned the same right as Ewing.

Good points on Ewing.

[K_ick_God]

It wouldn't kill Melo to play a year or two in Portland.

[Tron Carter]

The funniest thing is that Morey probably is hoping that the Knicks front office react like some of you guys that just want to "get it over with" and "trade him for whatever" and "move on".

Good thing the Knicks front office apparently is finally thinking with the big head.

[thebuzzardman]

The funniest thing is that Morey probably is hoping that the Knicks front office react like some of you guys that just want to "get it over with" and "trade him for whatever" and "move on".

Good thing the Knicks front office apparently is finally thinking with the big head.

There is an analogy from another time in Knick history that isn't THAT far in the past. I'm reminded of discussions on other basketball forums, probably early 00's, where this transaction was more fresh.

A player had become disgruntled and wanted off the team. To accommodate that player, he was dealt for bad contracts coming back, which the Knicks ultimately were stuck with, or wound up dealing for other bad contracts.

Patrick Ewing.

Now, Melo is much more still in his prime or effective than Ewing was at that point. But both share wanting to be dealt, with a large contract, and not many more years on the contract.

Knicks caved on Ewing and wound up taking back contracts at least as long, if not longer, for players that weren't that good, instead of letting Ewing expire.

Here we are again. Unless Melo nets us a pick, even a low first rounder, and an actual useful young player, but no contract that exceed the length of Melo's current deal, even assuming he'd opt in (which isn't a given, as disgruntled), then personally, I'd rather they keep him and let him expire, even if it takes 2 years (not likely)

One point of contention is perhaps that we didn't so much cave to Ewing's demands as respected him for what he contributed as a Knick and went further than perhaps we should to cater to a legend. My only regret with Ewing is that he let his ego get the better of him, not the fact that we made the trade that we did.

The subtle dig here is that I don't think Melo has earned the same right as Ewing.

Totally agree on Ewing, in terms of respect, and Melo. I'm just pointing out the similarity of the Knicks being in a situation before with a high profile player, a desire for him to be dealt, by him, the team and even a lot of fans, and that if the return isn't good, holding on to that player for a couple of years won't be the end of the world and may, in fact, be the better approach. I mean, different situations, and I think Melo has more potential for negative impact if he stays because then them has to incorporate him or have a bad situation sitting him while Ewing could have been sent to the bench with more ease at that point.

[DOLPHIN2020]

I think the rockets know what we want, that hasn't changed. Expirings, young player, + a pick. If HOU doesn't have that they need to somehow get us that.

Wait..let's talk about the foundation of a trade that would bring back expirings, a young player, and a pick.

Do the Rockets have any young assets? No.
Do the Rockets need to find a third team to take on Anderson's contract? Yes.

Ok so in your hypothetical end result the Rockets would have to find a third team that not only would accept Ryan Anderson's contract, but would have to part with a young player to the Knicks . Even after all that, you expect the Knicks to end up with a pick as well. Add a fourth or fifth team? The more teams added the less likely it happens. Why? Why would a team join a trade to help the Rockets get Carmelo without compensation? At the end of the day you will not find ANY trade proposals that give the Knicks all the things you are looking for. Some of you guys aren't realistic at all.

We don't care what the Rockets have to do. That's what your missing. MP correctly listed what we should be getting back. I have said the same. That's why Melo is gonna have to expand his teams, or stay here, which he doesn't want to do.

This was PMFJB"s plan all along and the plan is finally working.

Welo take you ISO playing ass of our team, worry about preserving your pos "brand" elsewhere. GTFO!

[NOOB77]

It wouldn't kill Melo to play a year or two in Portland.

What do you think Portland is giving us? Portland thinking if we are trading Harkless and Leonard for Anderson and the Rockets are sending those two to the Knicks why don't we just send those two to the Knicks for Melo.

[NOOB77]

If we were after expiring contracts and a pick he would be a Cav already but that isn't what we are looking for clearly. We are looking for pieces that can help us now like a Harkless.

[whocares1]

I think the rockets know what we want, that hasn't changed. Expirings, young player, + a pick. If HOU doesn't have that they need to somehow get us that.

Wait..let's talk about the foundation of a trade that would bring back expirings, a young player, and a pick.

Do the Rockets have any young assets? No.
Do the Rockets need to find a third team to take on Anderson's contract? Yes.

Ok so in your hypothetical end result the Rockets would have to find a third team that not only would accept Ryan Anderson's contract, but would have to part with a young player to the Knicks . Even after all that, you expect the Knicks to end up with a pick as well. Add a fourth or fifth team? The more teams added the less likely it happens. Why? Why would a team join a trade to help the Rockets get Carmelo without compensation? At the end of the day you will not find ANY trade proposals that give the Knicks all the things you are looking for. Some of you guys aren't realistic at all.

We don't care what the Rockets have to do. That's what your missing. MP correctly listed what we should be getting back. I have said the same. That's why Melo is gonna have to expand his teams, or stay here, which he doesn't want to do.

Ok so you don't care about being realistic. If you don't want Melo traded then just say that. If you expect that package in return for Melo then you just want him to be our starting small forward come October.

[stuporman]

The Knicks are under no obligation to allow themselves to get abused in a trade to accommodate Welo.....no amount of him playing the victim will change that.

[NOOB77]

The Knicks are under no obligation to allow themselves to get abused in a trade to accommodate Welo.....no amount of him playing the victim will change that.

Melo is under no obligation to bend over for the Knicks and go some place he does want just to accommodate the Knicks. No amount of crying will change that.

[HarthorneWingo]

We better not be getting the short end of the stick again just to appease him

You already know where that stick will end up Wingo.....

I know. I'm already anticipating the initial entry.

[louieOrr]

Wait..let's talk about the foundation of a trade that would bring back expirings, a young player, and a pick.

Do the Rockets have any young assets? No.
Do the Rockets need to find a third team to take on Anderson's contract? Yes.

Ok so in your hypothetical end result the Rockets would have to find a third team that not only would accept Ryan Anderson's contract, but would have to part with a young player to the Knicks . Even after all that, you expect the Knicks to end up with a pick as well. Add a fourth or fifth team? The more teams added the less likely it happens. Why? Why would a team join a trade to help the Rockets get Carmelo without compensation? At the end of the day you will not find ANY trade proposals that give the Knicks all the things you are looking for. Some of you guys aren't realistic at all.

We don't care what the Rockets have to do. That's what your missing. MP correctly listed what we should be getting back. I have said the same. That's why Melo is gonna have to expand his teams, or stay here, which he doesn't want to do.

Ok so you don't care about being realistic. If you don't want Melo traded then just say that. If you expect that package in return for Melo then you just want him to be our starting small forward come October.

Ill roll with it till the end. I'm very realistic that its going to be a long process and that we have to hold the line, play our hand correctly. I'm not sure he is starting for us next season if he stays. It doesn't fit what the Knicks are doing. Anyways he already said he doesn't want to come back. Lets see how much he means it. He needs to be realistic too. He's not being moved at our expense. We all want what's best for our team moving forward. Its gonna take time

[HarthorneWingo]

The Knicks are under no obligation to allow themselves to get abused in a trade to accommodate Welo.....no amount of him playing the victim will change that.

Melo is under no obligation to bend over for the Knicks and go some place he does want just to accommodate the Knicks. No amount of crying will change that.

And we have no obligation to appease him either. So now what?

[Polk377]

Yeah people like Hinkie who made sure his team tanked and lost games must've not been a fan of the Sixers....

Running a Ponzi Scheme against your own fan base like Hinkie did was disgraceful. You understand that they were literally stealing money from paying fans right? Why do you think the NBA stepped in and forced Bryan Colangelo to take control of basketball operations? Please feel free to go cheer for the Sixers.

We were ponzi schemed these past few years. Sold false hope and ended up in a worse place compared to the Sixers. Why don't you go root for the Kings, if you like dumb management and mediocrity?

Hinkie, at least, told the truth and got fans on board with trust the process. He also won most of the trades he made.

If the Knicks decide to tank, I will support it one hundred percent. And I'm looking forward to these next rebuilding years very much. I'll definitely trust the process.


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Hinkie put a D-League quality team on the floor to purposefully lose games for four straight years. How do you suppose the Knicks do that when they already have talented youth? Kp isn't Embid who has only played 30 games in his career. These guys are coming in to play next season and will win games.

The 2 teams are both a lot closer than you think. The only difference is we actually know most of our young guys can play at a high level. Embid can't stay on the floor, Okafor is already disgruntled and wants out, Simmons can't shoot and hasn't played a game, Saric is good but not great and while Fultz could be a scoring machine he has never made anyone around him better and has never been a winner in his entire basketball life. Wake up you are admiring a mirage.