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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#601 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:08 pm

Author of Trump-Russia dossier wins libel case in US court

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/21/author-of-trump-russia-dossier-wins-libel-case-in-us-court-christopher-steele
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The former MI6 officer Christopher Steele has won a legal battle in the United States against three Russian oligarchs who sued him over allegations made in his dossier about the Trump campaign and its links with Moscow.

The oligarchs – Mikhail Fridman, Petr Aven and German Khan – claimed that Steele and his intelligence firm, Orbis, defamed them in the dossier, which was leaked and published in early 2017. The Russians own stakes in Moscow-based Alfa Bank. All are billionaires.

On Monday, a judge in the District of Columbia, Anthony C Epstein, upheld a motion by Steele to have the oligarchs’ case thrown out. Epstein did not determine whether the dossier – which Donald Trump has repeatedly dismissed as “fake” – was “accurate or not accurate”.

But the judge concluded that it was covered by the US first amendment, which protects free speech. He ruled that the oligarchs had failed to prove a key part of their case: that Steele knew that some information in the dossier was inaccurate, and had acted “with reckless disregard as to its falsity”.

The ruling is a piece of good news for Steele, who has maintained silence in the face of a mountain of abuse from Trump and his enraged supporters. This month, the president called Steele a “lowlife” on Twitter and described the dossier as “phony”, “discredited” and paid for by “Crooked Hillary”.

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The Russian lawsuit concerned one of 17 memos sent by Steele between June and October 2016 to Fusion GPS, an intelligence company based in Washington DC. Fusion investigated the then presidential candidate Trump’s alleged links with Moscow. It in turn subcontracted Steele.

One confidential memo reported claims that the Alfa Group businessmen had a close relationship with Vladimir Putin. It alleged that Fridman and Aven gave the Russia president “informal advice” on foreign policy, especially about the US because Putin tended to “distrust” information given to him by his officials.

The memo also claimed that in the 1990s an Alfa intermediary delivered “illicit cash” to Putin when he was deputy mayor of Saint Petersburg. It further suggested that Putin was able to “exploit” as a lever the oligarchs’ “lack of investment in Russia”, even though he personally was not “bothered” by it.

Alfa denies these claims. It said it “strongly disagreed” with the court’s decision on a number of points and would “almost certainly appeal”.

Steele’s attorney Christy Hull Eikhoff said the judgement was “thorough, well-reasoned and firmly supported in the law”. She continued: “We will continue to defend against baseless attacks on Chris and hope that the result of this case will be a message to those who seek to intimidate Chris and his company.”

In January 2017, the website Buzzfeed published the dossier, igniting a political firestorm. More than a year later, the oligarchs sued Steele in Washington DC. In March, Steele responded with a motion filed under “anti-Slapp” legislation. He argued that the Russians were trying to shut down a legitimate subject for public debate.

Epstein’s judgment on Monday was, in places, withering. The oligarchs had argued Steele did not enjoy first-amendment protections because he was British rather than American. The judge said this was “ironic” given the fact the billionaires had Russian and Israeli citizenships, and had gone to a US court seeking redress for their grievances.

Of the dossier, the judge said it “plainly concerns” an issue of public interest – whether the Kremlin interfered in the 2016 US presidential election. He wrote: “The Steele dossier generated so much interest and attention in the US precisely because its contents relate to active public debates here.”

Steele’s legal battles are not yet over, but Monday’s ruling is a significant victory.

He still faces a libel claim in London brought by a Russian technology businessman, Aleksej Gubarev, who appears in the dossier. Gubarev owns Webzilla, a Florida-based web company. The Russian is also suing Buzzfeed in Miami. Steele recently gave video evidence in connection with the Buzzfeed case.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#602 » by Pointgod » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:10 pm

KnoxOnWood wrote:
Pointgod wrote:Hey remember when Hillary Clinton was named as an unindicted co conspirator in a criminal case? Yeah me neither.


Hey remember when Hillary Clinton has been investigated so many times it defies logic?

Where there's smoke, there's fire.

She's corrupt as the day is long.

And guess what precious, butthurt snowflake - so is Trump. Stop conflating the 2 issues.


Show me the receipts.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#603 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:13 pm

Pointgod wrote:
KnoxOnWood wrote:
Pointgod wrote:Hey remember when Hillary Clinton was named as an unindicted co conspirator in a criminal case? Yeah me neither.


Hey remember when Hillary Clinton has been investigated so many times it defies logic?

Where there's smoke, there's fire.

She's corrupt as the day is long.

And guess what precious, butthurt snowflake - so is Trump. Stop conflating the 2 issues.


Show me the receipts.


No can do, because, well ......

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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#604 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:27 pm

KnoxOnWood wrote:
Pointgod wrote:Hey remember when Hillary Clinton was named as an unindicted co conspirator in a criminal case? Yeah me neither.


Hey remember when Hillary Clinton has been investigated so many times it defies logic?

Where there's smoke, there's fire.

She's corrupt as the day is long.

And guess what precious, butthurt snowflake - so is Trump. Stop conflating the 2 issues.


Why are you so angry about it? You seem to equate the fact that people on here who dislike Trump are immediately liberal and/or pro Hilary and/or anti corruption that takes place outside of the Trump (or GOP) universe.

Sure, there are a few people in this thread who I'd be comfortable stating are probably left of center in their politics, but it may not be as far as you think. Personally, I'm an independent and have actually voted Republican more often than Democrat in my (too long) life.

I've been waiting for a while for the corruption, illegal AND institutionalized, in this country to get cleaned up. That's part of the reason for my enthusiasm. At least SOMEONE is getting busted. Hell, I'm not conspiratorial, but for all I know Trump is the fall guy, the dirty outsider who gets to take the hit so business can continue as usual. My "hope" is that this whole thing goes deeper and that the American people start to demand more from their elected officials - more integrity, honor and accountability. And some serious reform.

I doubt that happens. I wish it would. I think the vast majority of Americans are just too dumb, too complacent, too propagandized and honestly, not suffering enough. To qualify that last statement, big change tends to happen when things are BAD. REALLY BAD. But the system "worked". The financial system didn't completely fail and while many (too many) people were screwed, the screwing wasn't deep and hard enough (heh!) to have the impact of, in effect, radicalizing enough of the populace.

Instead, the US of A got "populism-lite"
So, some "grassroots organizing" got in the "Hey, I'm sort of an outsider but not really" Democrat and the first black president.

After that, some right wing populism asserted itself - to include a large chunk of disaffected ex-Obama voters, who went for who they felt was an ever MORE populist MORE outside guy. Rightly rejecting the same old GOP clown show and Hilary at the same time.

And unfortunately, IMHO, this group of legitimately angry people, understandably frustrated with the long standing corruption and double standards, got played. I see Trump as the end result, in more ways than one, of systemic corruption. And, not you, but it seems for some of the group of right wing populists that back him no matter what, their reluctance to see any fault is in part because on some level he represented a desperate reach. Like getting deeply invested in a woman, the love of your life, only to discover her banging the cabana boy the day after you get married.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#605 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:33 pm

Good post Buzz
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#606 » by CharlesOakley » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:52 pm

KnoxOnWood wrote:
Pointgod wrote:Hey remember when Hillary Clinton was named as an unindicted co conspirator in a criminal case? Yeah me neither.


Hey remember when Hillary Clinton has been investigated so many times it defies logic?

Where there's smoke, there's fire.

She's corrupt as the day is long.

And guess what precious, butthurt snowflake - so is Trump. Stop conflating the 2 issues.


I'm not sure you got the memo, but Hillary isn't holding political office anywhere. She can be corrupt in her home, sitting by the pool and it doesn't effect millions of Americans anymore.

I've been struggling to understand why the GOP base can't let Hillary go. I just can't understand how someone can watch the parade of corrupt criminals, ideological buffoons, business insiders, science deniers, fascists, xenophobes and racists that constantly parade as politicians and be so mad about just one of them.

Honestly, the only thing I can come up with is, she has a vagina and she had the audacity to want to sit in the power seat.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#607 » by duetta » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:21 pm

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I'm not sure what the current status of the effort is, but I understood Cuomo was going to introduce legislation that cements this as protocol in NY State.


Times endorsed her the other day, and made the point that she is the ideal backstop for the Mueller investigation.
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Post#608 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:25 pm

Maybe one day the democrats will elect a militant black lesbian who gets caught having her vagina licked in the oval office by an intern and lies about it, so they can finally get the president the republicans want so badly.

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Post#609 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:26 pm

The last time the US of A attempted to impeach a president, it was for getting his wing-wang sucked and lying about it.

Right now, the current president is an unindicted co-conspirator, around what appears to be getting his wing-wang sucked and lying about it - more or less.

Is there some kind of 20 year blow job cicada I'm unaware of?
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Post#610 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:47 pm

duetta wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
Read on Twitter


I'm not sure what the current status of the effort is, but I understood Cuomo was going to introduce legislation that cements this as protocol in NY State.


Times endorsed her the other day, and made the point that she is the ideal backstop for the Mueller investigation.


Anti-Corruption is a good campaign theme right now. NY needs someone who will put their shoulder into these investigations and follow though. There is several decades of accumulated material to work with.
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Post#611 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:48 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:The last time the US of A attempted to impeach a president, it was for getting his wing-wang sucked and lying about it.

Right now, the current president is an unindicted co-conspirator, around what appears to be getting his wing-wang sucked and lying about it - more or less.

Is there some kind of 20 year blow job cicada I'm unaware of?


Dude? You went from a great post to this? :oops:

(I don't think most people get some of your irony unfortunately)
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Post#612 » by CharlesOakley » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:53 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Maybe one day the democrats will elect a militant black lesbian who gets caught having her vagina licked in the oval office by an intern and lies about it, so they can finally get the president the republicans want so badly.

:-)


I hope she is young, highly educated, Muslim and really into identity politics.
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Post#613 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:20 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:The last time the US of A attempted to impeach a president, it was for getting his wing-wang sucked and lying about it.

Right now, the current president is an unindicted co-conspirator, around what appears to be getting his wing-wang sucked and lying about it - more or less.

Is there some kind of 20 year blow job cicada I'm unaware of?


Dude? You went from a great post to this? :oops:

(I don't think most people get some of your irony unfortunately)


Not my best work, but I tried. :D
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Post#614 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:22 am

CharlesOakley wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Maybe one day the democrats will elect a militant black lesbian who gets caught having her vagina licked in the oval office by an intern and lies about it, so they can finally get the president the republicans want so badly.

:-)


I hope she is young, highly educated, Muslim and really into identity politics.


Oh, perfect! :D
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Post#615 » by Pointgod » Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:38 am

CharlesOakley wrote:
KnoxOnWood wrote:
Pointgod wrote:Hey remember when Hillary Clinton was named as an unindicted co conspirator in a criminal case? Yeah me neither.


Hey remember when Hillary Clinton has been investigated so many times it defies logic?

Where there's smoke, there's fire.

She's corrupt as the day is long.

And guess what precious, butthurt snowflake - so is Trump. Stop conflating the 2 issues.


I'm not sure you got the memo, but Hillary isn't holding political office anywhere. She can be corrupt in her home, sitting by the pool and it doesn't effect millions of Americans anymore.

I've been struggling to understand why the GOP base can't let Hillary go. I just can't understand how someone can watch the parade of corrupt criminals, ideological buffoons, business insiders, science deniers, fascists, xenophobes and racists that constantly parade as politicians and be so mad about just one of them.

Honestly, the only thing I can come up with is, she has a vagina and she had the audacity to want to sit in the power seat.


It's the culmination of decades of right wing propaganda. It's been so constant and effective that even people on the left believe Clinton conspiracies. One thing I'll tell you about Republicans. Anytime they accuse someone of something they're 100% projecting. All the talk of corruption and lock her up is because they know deep down they're even more corrupt than Clinton could ever be.
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Post#616 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:50 am

Pointgod wrote:
CharlesOakley wrote:
KnoxOnWood wrote:
Hey remember when Hillary Clinton has been investigated so many times it defies logic?

Where there's smoke, there's fire.

She's corrupt as the day is long.

And guess what precious, butthurt snowflake - so is Trump. Stop conflating the 2 issues.


I'm not sure you got the memo, but Hillary isn't holding political office anywhere. She can be corrupt in her home, sitting by the pool and it doesn't effect millions of Americans anymore.

I've been struggling to understand why the GOP base can't let Hillary go. I just can't understand how someone can watch the parade of corrupt criminals, ideological buffoons, business insiders, science deniers, fascists, xenophobes and racists that constantly parade as politicians and be so mad about just one of them.

Honestly, the only thing I can come up with is, she has a vagina and she had the audacity to want to sit in the power seat.


It's the culmination of decades of right wing propaganda. It's been so constant and effective that even people on the left believe Clinton conspiracies. One thing I'll tell you about Republicans. Anytime they accuse someone of something they're 100% projecting. All the talk of corruption and lock her up is because they know deep down they're even more corrupt than Clinton could ever be.


Then this must be the GOP's house band

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Post#617 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:57 am

Well, damn

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/michael-cohen-willing-share-all-he-knows-mueller-lawyer-says-n902801

"....Davis also told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Tuesday night that Cohen "has knowledge on certain subjects that should be of interest” to Mueller’s team, which is investigating Russian interference in the 2016 race.

Cohen, Davis said, “is more than happy to tell the special counsel all that he knows, not just about the obvious possibility of a conspiracy to collude and corrupt the American Democracy system in the 2016 election ... but also knowledge about the computer crime of hacking and whether or not Mr. Trump knew ahead of time about that crime and even cheered it on."

As he waited to go on air, Davis also said that Cohen has information about improprieties in the Trump charitable foundation that would be of interest to the New York attorney general, who is investigating the foundation. He did not offer specifics...."

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Post#618 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:58 am

Cohen talked tough but is unraveling like a cheap suit. Sad.
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Post#619 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:02 am

thebuzzardman wrote:Well, damn

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/michael-cohen-willing-share-all-he-knows-mueller-lawyer-says-n902801

"....Davis also told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Tuesday night that Cohen "has knowledge on certain subjects that should be of interest” to Mueller’s team, which is investigating Russian interference in the 2016 race.

Cohen, Davis said, “is more than happy to tell the special counsel all that he knows, not just about the obvious possibility of a conspiracy to collude and corrupt the American Democracy system in the 2016 election ... but also knowledge about the computer crime of hacking and whether or not Mr. Trump knew ahead of time about that crime and even cheered it on."

As he waited to go on air, Davis also said that Cohen has information about improprieties in the Trump charitable foundation that would be of interest to the New York attorney general, who is investigating the foundation. He did not offer specifics...."



Cohen has so much more than this. The whole Trump family is in deep doodoo now, particularly Ivanka who was the point person in the Trump Organization's use of real estate to launder money. Felix Sater worked with both them and he has flipped. Trump Soho is one project that should soon be put in the spotlight as a result.

And we were all talking today about Cohen's plea deal with the feds. Today NY State also got into the act. Highly coordinated sequence obviously.

Michael Cohen subpoenaed in New York state probe of Trump foundation

https://abcnews.go.com/US/michael-cohen-subpoenaed-york-state-probe-trump-foundation/story?id=57339090
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Post#620 » by E86 » Thu Aug 23, 2018 4:32 am

thebuzzardman wrote:Cohen talked tough but is unraveling like a cheap suit. Sad.


This entire investigation is tainted since Manafort was the example that if you don’t give Mueller what he’s looking for he will charge you with unrelated crimes. You could probably do the same thing to 90% of Washington and unearth a whole host of impropriety and crimes.

It’s just as bad as Ken Starr in the 90s. I hate politics so much. And I absolutely hate people who embrace a single political party like dogmatic useful idiots.

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