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knickstape4ever wrote:“It’s almost like the James Harden trade," said Cuban. "It was like, ‘Why didn’t you guys offer that to us?’ Sometimes you just have teams that you work well with, and we’ve always worked well with the Knicks and they just said, ‘You guys said you were interested before, here’s the deal yes or no.’
according to Cuban, this is how it went down
Deeeez Knicks wrote:knickstape4ever wrote:“It’s almost like the James Harden trade," said Cuban. "It was like, ‘Why didn’t you guys offer that to us?’ Sometimes you just have teams that you work well with, and we’ve always worked well with the Knicks and they just said, ‘You guys said you were interested before, here’s the deal yes or no.’
according to Cuban, this is how it went down
What a disaster.
mpharris36 wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:knickstape4ever wrote:“It’s almost like the James Harden trade," said Cuban. "It was like, ‘Why didn’t you guys offer that to us?’ Sometimes you just have teams that you work well with, and we’ve always worked well with the Knicks and they just said, ‘You guys said you were interested before, here’s the deal yes or no.’
according to Cuban, this is how it went down
What a disaster.
and so many teams were confused because they didn't even know KP was on the block. And the GM that was part of the deals is still here
mpharris36 wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:knickstape4ever wrote:“It’s almost like the James Harden trade," said Cuban. "It was like, ‘Why didn’t you guys offer that to us?’ Sometimes you just have teams that you work well with, and we’ve always worked well with the Knicks and they just said, ‘You guys said you were interested before, here’s the deal yes or no.’
according to Cuban, this is how it went down
What a disaster.
and so many teams were confused because they didn't even know KP was on the block. And the GM that was part of the deals is still here
Deeeez Knicks wrote:mpharris36 wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:
What a disaster.
and so many teams were confused because they didn't even know KP was on the block. And the GM that was part of the deals is still here
Just a total waste. They totally miscalculated free agency and DSJ.
Deeeez Knicks wrote:mpharris36 wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:
What a disaster.
and so many teams were confused because they didn't even know KP was on the block. And the GM that was part of the deals is still here
Just a total waste. They totally miscalculated free agency and DSJ.
WargamesX wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
and so many teams were confused because they didn't even know KP was on the block. And the GM that was part of the deals is still here
Just a total waste. They totally miscalculated free agency and DSJ.
You know what seeing this...... I was “understanding” of keeping Perry because of the draft...... but nah, they should fire Perry!
Deeeez Knicks wrote:WargamesX wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Just a total waste. They totally miscalculated free agency and DSJ.
You know what seeing this...... I was “understanding” of keeping Perry because of the draft...... but nah, they should fire Perry!
Yea, that is on the GM. You can't be bothered to at least make some calls?
mpharris36 wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:WargamesX wrote:
You know what seeing this...... I was “understanding” of keeping Perry because of the draft...... but nah, they should fire Perry!
Yea, that is on the GM. You can't be bothered to at least make some calls?
they used the excuse that if word got out they wanted to trade him KP, KP brother would have dictated terms. He was a restricted FA and wasn't going to eventually turn down that huge contract...at least not with his injury concerns. That was all for show.
They could have simply told every team they had 48 hours to submit there best offer for KP and they were going to take the best offer.
Deeeez Knicks wrote:mpharris36 wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Yea, that is on the GM. You can't be bothered to at least make some calls?
they used the excuse that if word got out they wanted to trade him KP, KP brother would have dictated terms. He was a restricted FA and wasn't going to eventually turn down that huge contract...at least not with his injury concerns. That was all for show.
They could have simply told every team they had 48 hours to submit there best offer for KP and they were going to take the best offer.
How they tried to manipulate the story just made it worse in my view. Mills has been spewing BS for years. So glad he is gone.
3toheadmelo wrote:Lol people still believe that the Knicks didn’t try to get better younger players
Deeeez Knicks wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Lol people still believe that the Knicks didn’t try to get better younger players
They wanted to clear cap space and go after free agents. Only a few teams could do that.
3toheadmelo wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Lol people still believe that the Knicks didn’t try to get better younger players
They wanted to clear cap space and go after free agents. Only a few teams could do that.
Check my post above. They didn’t only make the deal for cap space
"We wanted to get a rookie player that was still in his scale contract, we wanted to add additional draft picks to the draft picks we currently have, and then give ourselves financial flexibility that we could become a player in free agency. But just a chance to have the flexibility to move forward."
mpharris36 wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:
They wanted to clear cap space and go after free agents. Only a few teams could do that.
Check my post above. They didn’t only make the deal for cap space
correct they ask about a couple players specifically Fox and Mitchell who were both rejected. They also probably asked for a bagley trade probably centered around bagley and expirings kinda like what they got with DSJ which was rejected by the Kings because the kings are as stupid as the knicks have been. Fox and KP would have been a great duo.
We did offer a few scenarios but after they dream of landing a current young star to replace KP they went the cap space route."We wanted to get a rookie player that was still in his scale contract, we wanted to add additional draft picks to the draft picks we currently have, and then give ourselves financial flexibility that we could become a player in free agency. But just a chance to have the flexibility to move forward."
they wanted all 3, with the removal of Lee and THjr a big piece of the trade.
3toheadmelo wrote:mpharris36 wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Check my post above. They didn’t only make the deal for cap space
correct they ask about a couple players specifically Fox and Mitchell who were both rejected. They also probably asked for a bagley trade probably centered around bagley and expirings kinda like what they got with DSJ which was rejected by the Kings because the kings are as stupid as the knicks have been. Fox and KP would have been a great duo.
We did offer a few scenarios but after they dream of landing a current young star to replace KP they went the cap space route."We wanted to get a rookie player that was still in his scale contract, we wanted to add additional draft picks to the draft picks we currently have, and then give ourselves financial flexibility that we could become a player in free agency. But just a chance to have the flexibility to move forward."
they wanted all 3, with the removal of Lee and THjr a big piece of the trade.
Not much the Knicks could’ve done. They tried to get untouchable franchise players from other teams and they said no. Can’t blame them for the deal they took. DSJ was a good prospect his first two years and looked like he was going to make a big leap this year. Of course that didn’t happen. And then their plan b for free agency was trash. I only liked the Randle deal but we did him no favors considering the roster construction around him so everybody hates him now. Lol.
3toheadmelo wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Lol people still believe that the Knicks didn’t try to get better younger players
They wanted to clear cap space and go after free agents. Only a few teams could do that.
Check my post above. They didn’t only make the deal for cap space
Why didn’t the Knicks shop the Dallas deal for something better?
The Knicks were convinced that no team besides Dallas would take the Hardaway and Lee contracts and package a player of Smith’s caliber with first-round draft picks.
How can the Knicks be sure they got the best possible deal?
It turns out that the Knicks spent much of January quietly canvassing the league for potential Porzingis deals, according to a person familiar with the talks who was not authorized to discuss them publicly. They tried — unsuccessfully — to trade for untouchables such as Utah’s Donovan Mitchell and Sacramento’s De’Aaron Fox.
But the Knicks knew all along that the Mavericks had the wherewithal to meet many of their trade objectives and, just as crucially, that Dallas was generally unfazed by the torn anterior cruciate ligament Porzingis suffered last February.
mpharris36 wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
correct they ask about a couple players specifically Fox and Mitchell who were both rejected. They also probably asked for a bagley trade probably centered around bagley and expirings kinda like what they got with DSJ which was rejected by the Kings because the kings are as stupid as the knicks have been. Fox and KP would have been a great duo.
We did offer a few scenarios but after they dream of landing a current young star to replace KP they went the cap space route.
they wanted all 3, with the removal of Lee and THjr a big piece of the trade.
Not much the Knicks could’ve done. They tried to get untouchable franchise players from other teams and they said no. Can’t blame them for the deal they took. DSJ was a good prospect his first two years and looked like he was going to make a big leap this year. Of course that didn’t happen. And then their plan b for free agency was trash. I only liked the Randle deal but we did him no favors considering the roster construction around him so everybody hates him now. Lol.
we tried for a couple pieces but they DIDN'T do a league wide search. But if you read my tweets above a majority of the league didn't even know he was available. They pin pointed a few teams that either had a young player they wanted or had a young player + cap space. They exhausted like 2-3 options when you could have canvassed the entire league for the best offer.
KP might not have had 2017 trade value when Phil wanted to trade him but there were plenty of teams that were interested and he had value that didn't even know he was available.
The Knicks spent much of January quietly canvassing the league for potential Porzingis trades, according to a person familiar with the talks who was not authorized to discuss them publicly. They tried for untouchables such as Utah’s Donovan Mitchell and Sacramento’s De’Aaron Fox and, predictably, were rebuffed.