2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath

[rammagen]

To any georgia republican, please dont do this. It would legit wreck the libs so hard

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Do what delete the tweet? so I guess there was nothing to see and there is nothing the reps can do in GA except I agree with the morons on social media all the G reps should boycott the run off

[Clyde_Style]

He said a whole lotta nothing there. No idea who his handler is but they need to do better cuz both sides have reason to have beef with that announcement.

If he adds a Republican to a completely powerless position that they’re qualified for does it really matter? A very sneaky move would be to assign a Senate Republican in a blue state to a powerless position.

There are no completely powerless positions and if he hires a trump supporting republican but not a straight up progressive, there will be huge problems down the line. That just better be a talking point

Cabinet member still don't set policy. They can push for whatever they believe in, but the president dictates their actions. So as far as who is in charge of what, their actions will reflect on Biden in the end, not the party they worked for in the past. Whatever HUGE problems you're predicting remain to be seen, because if Biden ends up behaving like a Republican he doesn't need a Republican to do that. Judge the results

[HarthorneWingo]

:lol:

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This doesn't even make sense.

Those two tweets don't particularly go together. One is basically saying to Trump "Hey stupid the markets are going up because Biden's transition has started. You don't get credit for that."

The comment tweet was a fairly arbitrary response that could have appeared anywhere IMO, but it does make sense as a standalone comment

Earlier in his term Trump was threatening the nuclear annihilation of North Korea

Trump repeatedly asked military members on his cabinet why he couldn't blow off some nukes in a military exercise and they had to keep telling him that's now how it works

He is anything but a stable genius. Sane people have had plenty of reasons to be concerned about this lunatic's finger on the button. That's what that tweet is saying regardless of its relevance to the other tweet

Jillian’s tweet is irrelevant other than she looks kinda hot.

[rammagen]

OK, this election fraud monkey business is almost dead and soon buried and the transition has officially begun.

I'm assuming the next question will be: Is Trump going to pardon himself?

The answer: Yes

The outcome: It will get challenged in court and probably some time after he leaves the WH a new legal precedent will be set on whether a president can pardon themselves along with a possible definition of the allowable parameters for that if allowed.

The prosecution's argument: Conspiracy to commit crimes that are facilitated by a president who presupposes immunity due to their position should not be an institutional privilege of the presidency.

Additional scenarios and arguments: Should Trump resign in order to collect a pardon from Pence, then the argument will also be you cannot or should not be able to pardon co-conspirators. This may already be baked in to the case if Trump pardons Pence prior to resigning.

Upshot: There is likely a strong chance Trump's pardon of himself and even others will be nullified in court. The purpose of the pardon was not designed for the pardoner to also be the pardonee or for the pardoner to use those powers in order to willfully commit crimes without fear of punishment hence the need to set some constitutional guidelines that either make the pardon stand or be denied.

One thing that could happen IMO is a split verdict, i.e. a president may be able to pardon themselves but only for certain things that are considered too subjective to determine absolute guilt for while denying imnunity from certain provable offenses like treason or espionage.

I think this whole thing was a delay tactic so he could try to cut a deal and it is failing. The incoming administration will seek charges and then cut a deal. NY state is going to have their piece as well.

The deal will be something like we will expose all the crimes ect if you try to run again and proceed with charges which wont expire after 7 yrs and NY state charges will stick which are the lessor of the crimes. Certain transgressions will be exposed and they need to be to cool the jets of the trumpers who will believe anything the fat liar will say

Possibly something like that could be cooked up, but I don't think Tish James will be part of those deals. So I think he's going to take it on the chin pretty quickly. There are two factors which mitigate indicting Trump already which are:

1) Better not tip your hand while he is still President, even if you are filing state charges. It gives him less insight into the parameters of any pardons issued, particularly for Rudy who is going to be indicted by NY very soon.

2) On January 21, the new Treasury Secretary will authorize the release of all tax documents to the House committees and the NY investigations. Though they already know the scope and have files plus the NY Times reports, this will be the finishing touch before filing indictments.

So I expect something pretty swift from NY, maybe even late January.

Thus, what deals Trump could cut with the DoJ to STFU may be negotiated while he's already in court defending himself in NY. There will not be any ability to avoid punishment, just a question of possibly mitigating the outcome for himself.

Clyde thought you would like this
https://www.businessinsider.com/mueller-prosecutor-andrew-weissmann-trump-should-be-investigated-charged-2020-11

[Jalen Bluntson]

:lol:

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What wars did we start in the last four years? How many wars were we in 5 years ago?

Iraq and Afghanistan were initiated by Bush so what's your point?

Blah blah blah Clinton! Really? Jillian Barbierre should just stick to pushing up her boobs in a tight bra and leave politics to smart people. Trump hasn't started any wars and has actually brokered peace deals...same can't be said for Biden or Harris. I can't stand Trump but...no reason to lie on her part or deflect on yours.

[Clyde_Style]

I think this whole thing was a delay tactic so he could try to cut a deal and it is failing. The incoming administration will seek charges and then cut a deal. NY state is going to have their piece as well.

The deal will be something like we will expose all the crimes ect if you try to run again and proceed with charges which wont expire after 7 yrs and NY state charges will stick which are the lessor of the crimes. Certain transgressions will be exposed and they need to be to cool the jets of the trumpers who will believe anything the fat liar will say

Possibly something like that could be cooked up, but I don't think Tish James will be part of those deals. So I think he's going to take it on the chin pretty quickly. There are two factors which mitigate indicting Trump already which are:

1) Better not tip your hand while he is still President, even if you are filing state charges. It gives him less insight into the parameters of any pardons issued, particularly for Rudy who is going to be indicted by NY very soon.

2) On January 21, the new Treasury Secretary will authorize the release of all tax documents to the House committees and the NY investigations. Though they already know the scope and have files plus the NY Times reports, this will be the finishing touch before filing indictments.

So I expect something pretty swift from NY, maybe even late January.

Thus, what deals Trump could cut with the DoJ to STFU may be negotiated while he's already in court defending himself in NY. There will not be any ability to avoid punishment, just a question of possibly mitigating the outcome for himself.

Clyde thought you would like this
https://www.businessinsider.com/mueller-prosecutor-andrew-weissmann-trump-should-be-investigated-charged-2020-11

It recently came out that it was Rod Rosenstein who took out the legs on Mueller early on, not Barr as was previously thought. Mueller was by his nature a fairly protocol oriented bureaucrat and he complied with the DoJ restrictions imposed upon him. If was more feisty he could have pushed their findings more aggressively and created real problems for Trump. All of that is to say they did find criminal implications and, as Weissmann is saying here, they committed more crimes by their obstruction of a federal investigation.

as quoted in this article, Mueller still released this comment

However, the special counsel's office noted, "If we had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."

which was a tacit admission they had dirt, but chose not to make prosecution recommendations (per the DoJ pressures from Rosenstein)

It is pretty clear Weissmann is just as disappointed in the weakness of Mueller's character as many of us were by his emphasis on the superiority of the findings of the Senate Intelligence Committee's report (which was signed off on by a GOP chair BTW)

I'd say this is the beginning of the rumbles by justice dept pros to get ready to dig in and follow the money with the intent to file criminal charges when their case is made against Trump and his associates. Biden has taken the neutral position knowing there is a hunger for justice that will seek its own course which is the right move politically for him (and I agree; no need to stoke civil war rhetoric)

Another point of the article is the NY State and Manhattan probes are generated lots of dirt that point to future fedeal charges. When you have guys in that loop like Felix Sater, Parnas and Furman willingly cooperating you're building a dossier on a variety of crimes including collusion with foreign powers. So the NY prosecutions will trigger future investigations and indictments in all likelihood

[Clyde_Style]

What wars did we start in the last four years? How many wars were we in 5 years ago?

Iraq and Afghanistan were initiated by Bush so what's your point?

Blah blah blah Clinton! Really? Jillian Barbierre should just stick to pushing up her boobs in a tight bra and leave politics to smart people. Trump hasn't started any wars and has actually brokered peace deals...same can't be said for Biden or Harris. I can't stand Trump but...no reason to lie on her part or deflect on yours.

Can you possibly answer this like an adult?

What wars were you referring to specifically?

[HarthorneWingo]

What wars did we start in the last four years? How many wars were we in 5 years ago?

Iraq and Afghanistan were initiated by Bush so what's your point?

Blah blah blah Clinton! Really? Jillian Barbierre should just stick to pushing up her boobs in a tight bra and leave politics to smart people. Trump hasn't started any wars and has actually brokered peace deals...same can't be said for Biden or Harris. I can't stand Trump but...no reason to lie on her part or deflect on yours.

Ah, so you think she's hot too. But you can't have her for she belongs to me. I hear you knocking but you can't come in.

[Oscirus]

To any georgia republican, please dont do this. It would legit wreck the libs so hard

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Do what delete the tweet? so I guess there was nothing to see and there is nothing the reps can do in GA except I agree with the morons on social media all the G reps should boycott the run off

It was a tweet where repubicans were threatening to write in trump to the georgia senate in some weird attempt to make him senate leader

[Jalen Bluntson]

Iraq and Afghanistan were initiated by Bush so what's your point?

Blah blah blah Clinton! Really? Jillian Barbierre should just stick to pushing up her boobs in a tight bra and leave politics to smart people. Trump hasn't started any wars and has actually brokered peace deals...same can't be said for Biden or Harris. I can't stand Trump but...no reason to lie on her part or deflect on yours.

Can you possibly answer this like an adult?

What wars were you referring to specifically?

Excuse you? Like an adult? Do you not follow the conversation? I didn't bring up any wars. The initial post I was responding to did. Worried about who we're going to war with the last four years...yada yada yada. Clueless sheep ****. Trump isa scumbag piece of ****...but he wasn't war mongering. We didn't start any wars when he was in office. That's my point.

[Oscirus]

If he adds a Republican to a completely powerless position that they’re qualified for does it really matter? A very sneaky move would be to assign a Senate Republican in a blue state to a powerless position.

There are no completely powerless positions and if he hires a trump supporting republican but not a straight up progressive, there will be huge problems down the line. That just better be a talking point

Cabinet member still don't set policy. They can push for whatever they believe in, but the president dictates their actions. So as far as who is in charge of what, their actions will reflect on Biden in the end, not the party they worked for in the past. Whatever HUGE problems you're predicting remain to be seen, because if Biden ends up behaving like a Republican he doesn't need a Republican to do that. Judge the results

For the sake of argument, lets say he puts a trump supporting republican in a ceremonial position when he's not even doing that for progressives, whats that telling the rest of the world? Like it or not , progressives are still needed, antagonizing them trying to be cute is just stupid

[Oscirus]

Blah blah blah Clinton! Really? Jillian Barbierre should just stick to pushing up her boobs in a tight bra and leave politics to smart people. Trump hasn't started any wars and has actually brokered peace deals...same can't be said for Biden or Harris. I can't stand Trump but...no reason to lie on her part or deflect on yours.

Can you possibly answer this like an adult?

What wars were you referring to specifically?

Excuse you? Like an adult? Do you not follow the conversation? I didn't bring up any wars. The initial post I was responding to did. Worried about who we're going to war with the last four years...yada yada yada. Clueless sheep ****. Trump isa scumbag piece of ****...but he wasn't war mongering. We didn't start any wars when he was in office. That's my point.

You act like dude didnt have to stand there and let iran bomb one of his bases to avoid war because he stupidly assassinated someone who was fighting isis or that he didnt allow two nations to strengthen their nuclear programs due to his arrogance. But sure those little peace deals that he brokered with nations not even bothering us helped out alot.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Can you possibly answer this like an adult?

What wars were you referring to specifically?

Excuse you? Like an adult? Do you not follow the conversation? I didn't bring up any wars. The initial post I was responding to did. Worried about who we're going to war with the last four years...yada yada yada. Clueless sheep ****. Trump isa scumbag piece of ****...but he wasn't war mongering. We didn't start any wars when he was in office. That's my point.

You act like dude didnt have to stand there and let iran bomb one of his bases to avoid war because he stupidly assassinated someone who was fighting isis or that he didnt allow two nations to strengthen their nuclear programs due to his arrogance. But sure those little peace deals that he brokered with nations not even bothering us helped out alot.

Please don't take the arrogant Trump hater BS with me. Please. This is the problem around this place. Anything that doesn't bash Trump gets attacked in an echo chamber. I'm not the one. Trump didn't start any wars. That's all I said.

Problem is...most of the country are clueless about what is going on in the world and in this country. They hang on to sound bites and headlines and do zero researching. They are all fuggin crooks. Biden is a pile of trash too. He's just not Trump. Yay America. Wake me when the media and the corporations that are foreign as well as domestic...who have bought our govt... aren't conspiring to sell your country to the highest bidders.

Democrat's and Republicans alike. They are all crooks and liars and most of them these days that get the spotlight...are dumb as fuq and have no business in office. But hey... that's reality.

[Oscirus]

Excuse you? Like an adult? Do you not follow the conversation? I didn't bring up any wars. The initial post I was responding to did. Worried about who we're going to war with the last four years...yada yada yada. Clueless sheep ****. Trump isa scumbag piece of ****...but he wasn't war mongering. We didn't start any wars when he was in office. That's my point.

You act like dude didnt have to stand there and let iran bomb one of his bases to avoid war because he stupidly assassinated someone who was fighting isis or that he didnt allow two nations to strengthen their nuclear programs due to his arrogance. But sure those little peace deals that he brokered with nations not even bothering us helped out alot.

Please don't take the arrogant Trump hater BS with me. Please. This is the problem around this place. Anything that doesn't bash Trump gets attacked in an echo chamber. I'm not the one. Trump didn't start any wars. That's all I said.

Problem is...most of the country are clueless about what is going on in the world and in this country. They hang on to sound bites and headlines and do zero researching. They are all fuggin crooks. Biden is a pile of trash too. He's just not Trump. Yay America. Wake me when the media and the corporations that are foreign as well as domestic...who have bought our govt... aren't conspiring to sell your country to the highest bidders.

Democrat's and Republicans alike. They are all crooks and liars and most of them these days that get the spotlight...are dumb as fuq and have no business in office. But hey... that's reality.

If either north korea or iran decides that they want to have a nuclear sword fight thats only possible because of he orange faced blowhard then we wont have to worry about any of that. But hey at least the orange overlord pulled back troops from the middle east, amirite?

[Clyde_Style]

There are no completely powerless positions and if he hires a trump supporting republican but not a straight up progressive, there will be huge problems down the line. That just better be a talking point

Cabinet member still don't set policy. They can push for whatever they believe in, but the president dictates their actions. So as far as who is in charge of what, their actions will reflect on Biden in the end, not the party they worked for in the past. Whatever HUGE problems you're predicting remain to be seen, because if Biden ends up behaving like a Republican he doesn't need a Republican to do that. Judge the results

For the sake of argument, lets say he puts a trump supporting republican in a ceremonial position when he's not even doing that for progressives, whats that telling the rest of the world? Like it or not , progressives are still needed, antagonizing them trying to be cute is just stupid

All I can suggest is keep your scorecards, but tally the results later. We really don't know the level of progressive involvement yet and it is simply jumping the gun to make any assessments now.

[Clyde_Style]

Excuse you? Like an adult? Do you not follow the conversation? I didn't bring up any wars. The initial post I was responding to did. Worried about who we're going to war with the last four years...yada yada yada. Clueless sheep ****. Trump isa scumbag piece of ****...but he wasn't war mongering. We didn't start any wars when he was in office. That's my point.

You act like dude didnt have to stand there and let iran bomb one of his bases to avoid war because he stupidly assassinated someone who was fighting isis or that he didnt allow two nations to strengthen their nuclear programs due to his arrogance. But sure those little peace deals that he brokered with nations not even bothering us helped out alot.

Please don't take the arrogant Trump hater BS with me. Please. This is the problem around this place. Anything that doesn't bash Trump gets attacked in an echo chamber. I'm not the one. Trump didn't start any wars. That's all I said.

Problem is...most of the country are clueless about what is going on in the world and in this country. They hang on to sound bites and headlines and do zero researching. They are all fuggin crooks. Biden is a pile of trash too. He's just not Trump. Yay America. Wake me when the media and the corporations that are foreign as well as domestic...who have bought our govt... aren't conspiring to sell your country to the highest bidders.

Democrat's and Republicans alike. They are all crooks and liars and most of them these days that get the spotlight...are dumb as fuq and have no business in office. But hey... that's reality.

You calling other people clueless and arrogant when you are posting like you are is the pot calling the kettle black. You have said absolutely nothing concrete while simultaneously insulting everyone. There's no point in discussing politics with you when your one and only insight for years now is both sides are corrupt. You actually have no points to make.

[Jalen Bluntson]

You act like dude didnt have to stand there and let iran bomb one of his bases to avoid war because he stupidly assassinated someone who was fighting isis or that he didnt allow two nations to strengthen their nuclear programs due to his arrogance. But sure those little peace deals that he brokered with nations not even bothering us helped out alot.

Please don't take the arrogant Trump hater BS with me. Please. This is the problem around this place. Anything that doesn't bash Trump gets attacked in an echo chamber. I'm not the one. Trump didn't start any wars. That's all I said.

Problem is...most of the country are clueless about what is going on in the world and in this country. They hang on to sound bites and headlines and do zero researching. They are all fuggin crooks. Biden is a pile of trash too. He's just not Trump. Yay America. Wake me when the media and the corporations that are foreign as well as domestic...who have bought our govt... aren't conspiring to sell your country to the highest bidders.

Democrat's and Republicans alike. They are all crooks and liars and most of them these days that get the spotlight...are dumb as fuq and have no business in office. But hey... that's reality.

If either north korea or iran decides that they want to have a nuclear sword fight thats only possible because of he orange faced blowhard then we wont have to worry about any of that. But hey at least the orange overlord pulled back troops from the middle east, amirite?

Yep.

[Pointgod]

Excuse you? Like an adult? Do you not follow the conversation? I didn't bring up any wars. The initial post I was responding to did. Worried about who we're going to war with the last four years...yada yada yada. Clueless sheep ****. Trump isa scumbag piece of ****...but he wasn't war mongering. We didn't start any wars when he was in office. That's my point.

You act like dude didnt have to stand there and let iran bomb one of his bases to avoid war because he stupidly assassinated someone who was fighting isis or that he didnt allow two nations to strengthen their nuclear programs due to his arrogance. But sure those little peace deals that he brokered with nations not even bothering us helped out alot.

Please don't take the arrogant Trump hater BS with me. Please. This is the problem around this place. Anything that doesn't bash Trump gets attacked in an echo chamber. I'm not the one. Trump didn't start any wars. That's all I said.

Problem is...most of the country are clueless about what is going on in the world and in this country. They hang on to sound bites and headlines and do zero researching. They are all fuggin crooks. Biden is a pile of trash too. He's just not Trump. Yay America. Wake me when the media and the corporations that are foreign as well as domestic...who have bought our govt... aren't conspiring to sell your country to the highest bidders.

Democrat's and Republicans alike. They are all crooks and liars and most of them these days that get the spotlight...are dumb as fuq and have no business in office. But hey... that's reality.

The only reason Trump didn’t start a war is sheer luck because he certainly tried his **** best to get everyone killed from his idiotic saver rattling with North Korea to his incompetent handling of Iran. Let me quote the only reason a war wasn’t started was because there was only one stupid and **** crazy person in those altercations and the other parties were the leaders of North Korea and Iran.

And peep this. Drone strikes, bombings and civilian casualties in the Middle East were more in 4 years of Trump than 8 years of Obama. Plus let’s not forget his disgusting support for the war in Yemen. Don’t come in and try to feed us this Donald the Dove bull. You’re not speaking with a bunch of idiots.

[Jalen Bluntson]

You act like dude didnt have to stand there and let iran bomb one of his bases to avoid war because he stupidly assassinated someone who was fighting isis or that he didnt allow two nations to strengthen their nuclear programs due to his arrogance. But sure those little peace deals that he brokered with nations not even bothering us helped out alot.

Please don't take the arrogant Trump hater BS with me. Please. This is the problem around this place. Anything that doesn't bash Trump gets attacked in an echo chamber. I'm not the one. Trump didn't start any wars. That's all I said.

Problem is...most of the country are clueless about what is going on in the world and in this country. They hang on to sound bites and headlines and do zero researching. They are all fuggin crooks. Biden is a pile of trash too. He's just not Trump. Yay America. Wake me when the media and the corporations that are foreign as well as domestic...who have bought our govt... aren't conspiring to sell your country to the highest bidders.

Democrat's and Republicans alike. They are all crooks and liars and most of them these days that get the spotlight...are dumb as fuq and have no business in office. But hey... that's reality.

You calling other people clueless and arrogant when you are posting like you are is the pot calling the kettle black. You have said absolutely nothing concrete while simultaneously insulting everyone. There's no point in discussing politics with you when your one and only insight for years now is both sides are corrupt. You actually have no points to make.

THAT IS THE POINT!!! You want to take sides and get into senseless arguments with me because I think you blow the Democrat horn too much? Take sides with a bunch of rich crooks who have done NOTHING except divide your country and sell what they can for their own needs?

All I did was point out that Trump didn't start any wars band I got shyt for it. Piss off with that bull. I have given many points in foreign policy and the dollar....which is what drives these wars. Our military being used as an arm of imperialism and corruption. This country is the biggest funder of terrorism in the world.

You go sleep with your Biden blankie and leave me out of this delusion that he's gonna do any better than any of the last several puppet's.

[Clyde_Style]

Please don't take the arrogant Trump hater BS with me. Please. This is the problem around this place. Anything that doesn't bash Trump gets attacked in an echo chamber. I'm not the one. Trump didn't start any wars. That's all I said.

Problem is...most of the country are clueless about what is going on in the world and in this country. They hang on to sound bites and headlines and do zero researching. They are all fuggin crooks. Biden is a pile of trash too. He's just not Trump. Yay America. Wake me when the media and the corporations that are foreign as well as domestic...who have bought our govt... aren't conspiring to sell your country to the highest bidders.

Democrat's and Republicans alike. They are all crooks and liars and most of them these days that get the spotlight...are dumb as fuq and have no business in office. But hey... that's reality.

You calling other people clueless and arrogant when you are posting like you are is the pot calling the kettle black. You have said absolutely nothing concrete while simultaneously insulting everyone. There's no point in discussing politics with you when your one and only insight for years now is both sides are corrupt. You actually have no points to make.

THAT IS THE POINT!!! You want to take sides and get into senseless arguments with me because I think you blow the Democrat horn too much? Take sides with a bunch of rich crooks who have done NOTHING except divide your country and sell what they can for their own needs?

All I did was point out that Trump didn't start any wars band I got shyt for it. Piss off with that bull. I have given many points in foreign policy and the dollar....which is what drives these wars. Our military being used as an arm of imperialism and corruption. This country is the biggest funder of terrorism in the world.

You go sleep with your Biden blankie and leave me out of this delusion that he's gonna do any better than any of the last several puppet's.

Pointgod gave you the answer you should respond to. Trump has been anything but peaceful with their nuclear threats and self-dealing arms transcactions and it is only by pure luck that we averted disaster with him at the helm. You've repeatedly told people they are arrogant and dismissive so when I see you posting like this I'm frankly amazed at your lack of self-awareness. You don't really deserve any further effort at this point with the childish posts you are making. Have a nice day