PG: Knicks-Hawks aka 1,2,3,Cancun! (Hawks win series 4-1)

[Ray Williams]

We got the 19, 21 and 32 picks that’s 3 guys already added..imagine if they hit on 2 of those 3 picks..

bro we had Knox and Frank on the bench doing nothing, and they were top 10 picks.. but now we're gonna hit on 2 out of 3 later picks?

So it doesn’t matter that the person that drafted Frank and Knox isn’t here anymore? Why kind of backwards ass logic is that.

[bearadonisdna]

I just don't see anything to envy about these teams and their situations in comparison to ours. Besides the Hornets having LaMelo. If the Bulls don't' win the lottery (80% chance they don't) I wouldn't be surprised if LaVine left next summer. He's also never made it to the playoffs in 7 years. Vucevic was a bad trade. The Pacers are locked into a treadmill and no free agents will ever go there.

Nothing to envy, yet you also say LaVine might leave, I wonder to where you have in mind The Hornets are a decent center away from being a big threat, they have the caproom or assets to go after one this summer. We're not even talking about free agency, the Pacers currently have a lottery pick in addition to some individual offensive talent. There are no free agents of note this summer, so the teams who have the lottery picks and already have talent are going to improve.

There are 4 teams who could all make a jump next season without the need of free agency, which is all that anyone seems to talk about here. The trade assets these teams have, are better than ours by result of them already having talent & getting a lottery pick. They don't need free agents as badly as we do.

We were the 4th seed and all those teams missed the playoffs. How will the pacers leap frog us simply by virtue of having the 13th pick when we have 19 and 21? Unless they win the lottery. You think whatever rookie they take 13th is somehow putting them over the top and our picks will be useless?

Ok , Ro you are 1 of my favorite realgms on this board but I think you got the vuc trade wrong.

At the time of the trade vuc was averaging more points and Rebs than AD.

As someone who follows the bulls as well, it was a clear home run despite it not translating to wins.
WCJ and 2 1sts was below market value for a current all star. The bulls were in the playin at the time of the trade so their pick was kind of a wash at the time. They sucked down the stretch and it was on their coach bad rotations, sato had a worse effect on winning the Payton did for the knicks.

[Futureisnow]

Congrats to the Hawks, and particularly to Trae Young. Not sure why we were treating him like he was Reggie Miller circa 1996, but the Garden was out for dude from jump and he rose to the occasion, and our guys wilted under that light. Julius had a terrible series, but I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bath water. He needs help, and thankfully, this front office is perhaps the best we've had when it comes to manipulating the cap and making smart decisions with that money.

[evevale]

People getting hyped up for the draft need to dial it back - our coach is Thibs. He's not going to play any young kid regardless of how well they play.

I hope we give him one more season, he imparts more defensive mechanics or whatever and we move on from him. His stubbornness and inability to think on his feet was completely exploited by Nate. No coach is easier to scheme against.

[Butch718]

People can blame Thibs, Randle, etc on why we lost all they want. This was a flawed roster that overachieved in the regular season. The Hawks had much better talent, end of story. If you switched Nate and Thibs to coach each other’s teams, the end result would be the same.

There’s a lot to build from going forward. I trust this front office to stay the course and continue to add to our foundation going forward.

A lot of you really don’t deserve this team with your live in the moment overreactions. I wish I could send you all back to the Isaiah era.

[Ewings2ndcousin]

People getting hyped up for the draft need to dial it back - our coach is Thibs. He's not going to play any young kid regardless of how well they play.

I hope we give him one more season, he imparts more defensive mechanics or whatever and we move on from him. His stubbornness and inability to think on his feet was completely exploited by Nate. No coach is easier to scheme against.

I wonder if that stemmed from pressure upstairs...Think about it. Once Thibbs imparted the defensive culture and we started winning a couple of games the attitude changed and peeps started talking playoff hype. That's when the youngins started seeing less and less play time. I agree that it is hard to get into the playing rotation as a youngin with Thibbs, I just wonder if it's all him or some of Dolan and company whispering in his ear.

Either way we do need someone who is gonna develop our young players AND impart defensive mechanics. The two don't have to be mutually exclusive.

[frothbrain]

We got the 19, 21 and 32 picks that’s 3 guys already added..imagine if they hit on 2 of those 3 picks..

bro we had Knox and Frank on the bench doing nothing, and they were top 10 picks.. but now we're gonna hit on 2 out of 3 later picks?

So it doesn’t matter that the person that drafted Frank and Knox isn’t here anymore? Why kind of backwards ass logic is that.

Scott Perry drafted Knox...

[Knicksfan1992]

People can blame Thibs, Randle, etc on why we lost all they want. This was a flawed roster that overachieved in the regular season. The Hawks had much better talent, end of story. If you switched Nate and Thibs to coach each other’s teams, the end result would be the same.

There’s a lot to build from going forward. I trust this front office to stay the course and continue to add to our foundation going forward.

A lot of you really don’t deserve this team with your live in the moment overreactions. I wish I could send you all back to the Isaiah era.

Yeah this series came down to personnel more than I think people (and myself) want to admit... We didn't have a good Point of attack defender because our PG situation remained atrocious. While our role players played really well for most of the regular season, most of them were limited in some way or are inconsistent. We relied on rookies and a 20 year old to produce way more than Atlanta did. ALso not having Mitch killed us in this series and I hope people realize that before they keep throwing him in trade proposals...

Atlanta spent money and the Knicks didn't and we saw the difference in this series.

Not to say that isn't ok. It is! We found out that our team probably has a nice established floor with Randle, RJ and Mitch at the helm and all of those guys are pretty young with at least another year of control. Quickley and Toppin both look like keepers and guys who can improve. Been a while since we could say that about a couple of rookies on the team. Now it's time to fill the pieces in and find a way to get an elite talent in the door. Could be way worse

[Rasho Brezec]

James Dolan should just make it official and sign the ownership of the franchise to Trae Joffrey Baratheon Young. God damn that pubes on his head looking mf'er.

[louisorr]

People getting hyped up for the draft need to dial it back - our coach is Thibs. He's not going to play any young kid regardless of how well they play.

I hope we give him one more season, he imparts more defensive mechanics or whatever and we move on from him. His stubbornness and inability to think on his feet was completely exploited by Nate. No coach is easier to scheme against.

I wonder if that stemmed from pressure upstairs...Think about it. Once Thibbs imparted the defensive culture and we started winning a couple of games the attitude changed and peeps started talking playoff hype. That's when the youngins started seeing less and less play time. I agree that it is hard to get into the playing rotation as a youngin with Thibbs, I just wonder if it's all him or some of Dolan and company whispering in his ear.

Either way we do need someone who is gonna develop our young players AND impart defensive mechanics. The two don't have to be mutually exclusive.

thibs just played a 20 year old the 5th most minutes in the nba

[CharlesOakley]

Atlanta was the better team but this series highlighted a bunch of concerns for me.

Thibs made zero offensive adjustments this entire series. Why not get Julius the ball in the low post? or seek out the Trae matchup when he is guarding RJ etc. We ran the same crappy offensive all series and made the Hawks look like world-beaters on defense. We never saw Frank on Trae for any length of time.

Although I love Thibs for his regular season results, he was clearly out couched in the playoffs. That is a big concern moving forward.

[GONYK]

People getting hyped up for the draft need to dial it back - our coach is Thibs. He's not going to play any young kid regardless of how well they play.

I hope we give him one more season, he imparts more defensive mechanics or whatever and we move on from him. His stubbornness and inability to think on his feet was completely exploited by Nate. No coach is easier to scheme against.

I wonder if that stemmed from pressure upstairs...Think about it. Once Thibbs imparted the defensive culture and we started winning a couple of games the attitude changed and peeps started talking playoff hype. That's when the youngins started seeing less and less play time. I agree that it is hard to get into the playing rotation as a youngin with Thibbs, I just wonder if it's all him or some of Dolan and company whispering in his ear.

Either way we do need someone who is gonna develop our young players AND impart defensive mechanics. The two don't have to be mutually exclusive.

thibs just played a 20 year old the 5th most minutes in the nba

IQ also played ~20MPG, which is 14th in this class

Obi played more mins than he deserved this season, and he was developed, because it yielded dividends in the playoffs.

[louisorr]

I wonder if that stemmed from pressure upstairs...Think about it. Once Thibbs imparted the defensive culture and we started winning a couple of games the attitude changed and peeps started talking playoff hype. That's when the youngins started seeing less and less play time. I agree that it is hard to get into the playing rotation as a youngin with Thibbs, I just wonder if it's all him or some of Dolan and company whispering in his ear.

Either way we do need someone who is gonna develop our young players AND impart defensive mechanics. The two don't have to be mutually exclusive.

thibs just played a 20 year old the 5th most minutes in the nba

IQ also played ~20MPG, which is 14th in this class

Obi played more mins than he deserved this season, and he was developed, because it yielded dividends in the playoffs.

Mitch got big minutes too.

[duetta]

I thought that they could come back last night and make it a bit more of a series, but Rose was shot from playing too many minutes, with Randle a shell of the player he was during the regular season.

We overachieved all season, surely due to better preparation for individual games. But once the playoffs began, our advantage disappeared.

After watching the team this season, I can both understand why Thibs' teams overachieve in the regular season but also why they disappoint in the playoffs. He is an offensively unimaginative coach who forces his key players to log too many minutes - and then has them exhausted for the playoffs. He does not adequately exploit his bench - and it invariably comes back to haunt him once he needs it.

Coach is who he is.

To the bitter end, I would have loved to see us eke into the lottery...but hopefully, both the players and management learned important lessons from the experience.

Going forward, it's clear that we need a further infusion of talent, as well a significant skills development from our young players. If the Knicks can lock Randle into a team-friendly contract (one that could keep him an attractive asset around the league), then I would support resigning him. Otherwise, I would let him play out his option.

[Zenzibar]

I wonder if that stemmed from pressure upstairs...Think about it. Once Thibbs imparted the defensive culture and we started winning a couple of games the attitude changed and peeps started talking playoff hype. That's when the youngins started seeing less and less play time. I agree that it is hard to get into the playing rotation as a youngin with Thibbs, I just wonder if it's all him or some of Dolan and company whispering in his ear.

Either way we do need someone who is gonna develop our young players AND impart defensive mechanics. The two don't have to be mutually exclusive.

thibs just played a 20 year old the 5th most minutes in the nba

IQ also played ~20MPG, which is 14th in this class

Obi played more mins than he deserved this season, and he was developed, because it yielded dividends in the playoffs.

Word.

Thibs played IQ and Obi ALOT especially during key stretches during games.

The "Thibs doesn't play rookies" storyline has been buried.

[snadler]

You can argue Thibs was outcoached in this series, and I can't argue, BUT it's much easier to coach when you have the more talented team. The knicks got to 41 wins on heart, hustle, defense, cohesion, but not talent. In the playoffs it's always about talent..the only thing the playoffs made clear was how much more talent the knicks must bring in..with that said, the culture which had been stressed for so many years, has finally changed, the knicks are no longer the laughing stock. They have so much going for them right now, that it's hard for me to hear any knicks fan complaining. Besides establishing a culture change, but are armed and ready to bolster the talent this summer. Reaching the playoffs should no longer be the goal, but having a team able to win in the playoffs is the next step. Just that alone is incredible considering where the knicks have been for so long. It's a disappointing end to the season, but only a bright future ahead

[robillionaire]

Nothing to envy, yet you also say LaVine might leave, I wonder to where you have in mind The Hornets are a decent center away from being a big threat, they have the caproom or assets to go after one this summer. We're not even talking about free agency, the Pacers currently have a lottery pick in addition to some individual offensive talent. There are no free agents of note this summer, so the teams who have the lottery picks and already have talent are going to improve.

There are 4 teams who could all make a jump next season without the need of free agency, which is all that anyone seems to talk about here. The trade assets these teams have, are better than ours by result of them already having talent & getting a lottery pick. They don't need free agents as badly as we do.

We were the 4th seed and all those teams missed the playoffs. How will the pacers leap frog us simply by virtue of having the 13th pick when we have 19 and 21? Unless they win the lottery. You think whatever rookie they take 13th is somehow putting them over the top and our picks will be useless?

Ok , Ro you are 1 of my favorite realgms on this board but I think you got the vuc trade wrong.

At the time of the trade vuc was averaging more points and Rebs than AD.

As someone who follows the bulls as well, it was a clear home run despite it not translating to wins.
WCJ and 2 1sts was below market value for a current all star. The bulls were in the playin at the time of the trade so their pick was kind of a wash at the time. They sucked down the stretch and it was on their coach bad rotations, sato had a worse effect on winning the Payton did for the knicks.

It was a win-now trade which was supposed to propel them from the play-in zone into the playoffs so it would appease Zach Lavine and not only did it not do that but they had an even worse win percentage after the trade? Something just doesn't add up there. Now they are possibly going to lose out on a valuable 8th pick, which they probably assumed would be a mid-1st rounder when they made the trade. Seems like a home run for Orlando to me. They sent the 2023 first, wendell carter and otto porter as well! I could see taking a wait and see approach but seeing as how they didn't get their intended result and were actually worse after the trade I'm not sure how you can call it a home run for the bulls. Vucevic is already about to turn 31 and hit the downside of his career.

[F N 11]

Knicks fans went out classy chanting knicks at the end the game. Randle running out the garden fast af, his next progression is making his teammates better. By better i dont just mean assist. I mean hockey assist as well.

[robillionaire]

thibs just played a 20 year old the 5th most minutes in the nba

IQ also played ~20MPG, which is 14th in this class

Obi played more mins than he deserved this season, and he was developed, because it yielded dividends in the playoffs.

Word.

Thibs played IQ and Obi ALOT especially during key stretches during games.

The "Thibs doesn't play rookies" storyline has been buried.

Yeah I agree. He played them. But you know how we are, we clamor for rookies to start and play 36 minutes a game or it's not enough

[mpharris36]

Great regular season but we were outclassed, outmanned, and outcoached badly vs the Hawks.

Lot more concerning questions about our future. Can we still trend upwards? Sure can. But there is a little more uncertainty about what we have then about 10 days or so.