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nykballa2k4 wrote:This win was more relief than celebration.
We got away with a lot of bad missed shots, poor offensive execution, bad overall shooting days, falling asleep on defense play.
Duran had two important jump balls where he punted it out of bounds. Celtics are not sloppy. We screw up, they score 3. We shoot 25% from 3, we lose by 25.
good thing we made the winning plays to… you know. knicks1999 wrote:I am old enough to remember Alan Houston’s shot in real time….not sure which one made me go more nuts….both pretty close
thebuzzardman wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:Jeff Van Gully wrote:
Clyde- Thanks for the recommendation. Will look out for it. We love a frozen pizza on a night we don’t feel like cooking.
Buzzard- Damn! Duly noted. Might still try it.
P.S. Personally speaking, not a single fart
Don't mix with beer then; that might be the synergistic component
WaltFrazier wrote:oldshoolballer wrote:
That Brunson clutch ankle breaker kind a reminds you of someone
JB didn't give the push on the hip that MJ did. Just beat him with the move alone
GettinitDone wrote:
2:00
Windy: I'm watching this game and I'm like I just don't know what the Knicks are doing, it's just Jalen Brunson dribbling around and trying to find a crack against Ausar Thompson, and I'm like this is NO WAY to play basketball
4:50
Windy: he had 40 pts on 33 shots, it was tough to watch, there were some possessions where you're just like you know you've got KAT on the team, OG, Mikal... but it was just Brunson straight iso-ing
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JB ball hog isos need to go. It might have worked in 1st round and I really think we wouldn't have needed that 3 in the first place had we not dug a hole with JB isoing the rest of the game, but he needs to share the wealth if we are to have any chance vs Celtics/ any success overall in the playoffs moving forward
Because he can't. Josh picks up the ball whenever he sees bodies. He's a willing open court handler. He isn't a breakdown guy although they should try him handlingvin the pick and roll.Big FatKAT wrote:considering hart gets covered by a c or pf I do not get why he’s not bringing the ball up, surely he can beat them off of the dribbleprophet_of_rage wrote:This is going to be a curb stomping. We don't have enough shooting with size. We have to go back to KAT post ups off the cross screen like in the 90s and slow the game doen that way.mpharris36 wrote:Boston just a touch matchup because they play 5 out and really don't have a weak defender (outside of KP having to guard in space) but they are going to put KP on Hart. So we will probably see a lot of Brunson/Hart P&R action with KP in drop...but Jrue and White they can throw at brunson instead of just Ausar. The difference his Pistons have two non-shooters and they still hurt us at times with the 3 ball which the Celtics usually play lineups with 5 shooters.
They are going to spam P&R with bringing Brunson and KAT into the action and Cade isn't a great shooter so OG had time to recover...but Tatum is a much better shooter so don't think the way we defended the P&R vs the pistons will apply to Celtics.
Orlando tried to slow it down with defence and failed. And we are worse defenders than them. And playing fast just leads to a 3 point contest.
Everyone will blame Thibs but this is just a mismatch in every way.
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I guess you believe fat meat isn't greasy. Brunson is not equal in talent to Tatum. You aren't even going by the match ups.cgmw wrote:prophet_of_rage wrote:This is going to be a curb stomping. We don't have enough shooting with size. We have to go back to KAT post ups off the cross screen like in the 90s and slow the game doen that way.mpharris36 wrote:Boston just a touch matchup because they play 5 out and really don't have a weak defender (outside of KP having to guard in space) but they are going to put KP on Hart. So we will probably see a lot of Brunson/Hart P&R action with KP in drop...but Jrue and White they can throw at brunson instead of just Ausar. The difference his Pistons have two non-shooters and they still hurt us at times with the 3 ball which the Celtics usually play lineups with 5 shooters.
They are going to spam P&R with bringing Brunson and KAT into the action and Cade isn't a great shooter so OG had time to recover...but Tatum is a much better shooter so don't think the way we defended the P&R vs the pistons will apply to Celtics.
Orlando tried to slow it down with defence and failed. And we are worse defenders than them. And playing fast just leads to a 3 point contest.
Everyone will blame Thibs but this is just a mismatch in every way.
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Is it though?
Brunson = Tatum
KAT > Brown
Mikal = KP
OG = Jrue
Hart = White
Deuce = Pritchard
Mitch > Horford
Talent seems pretty level here except they have better coaching and chemistry. Thibs is one of the regular season coaching GOATs but there’s a reason he’s lost in the playoffs over and over and over and over and over and over again.
You are assuming the talent is the same (it isn't) and the Boston talent is more cohesive. Payne can only shoot. So can Shamet. So can Deuce. And they are all small defensively.cgmw wrote::noway:HopelessKnick wrote:cgmw wrote:Is it though?
Brunson = Tatum
KAT > Brown
Mikal = KP
OG = Jrue
Hart = White
Deuce = Pritchard
Mitch > Horford
Talent seems pretty level here except they have better coaching and chemistry. Thibs is one of the regular season coaching GOATs but there’s a reason he’s lost in the playoffs over and over and over and over and over and over again.
Nah bro you comparisons are somewhat off. The thing is, does it even make sense to compare matchup wise? Sure Brunson at this point for example is better than Holiday but their roles are completely different.
Brunson > Holiday
Hart < White
Bridges <<< Brown
OG << Tatum
KAT > Porzingis
Celtics bench >>>> Knick bench
Mazulla >>> Thibs
Now I'll give you one concession though...a lot of these comparisons depend on recent memory and recent games...the Knicks looked terrible against elite teams so that is probably going to figure in right now. Things can change. But really this last series didn't help boosting confidence IMO.
My comment was about roster talent, not matchups. Mizzoula and Thibs are working with similar amounts of overall talent, yet likely series outcome is C’s gentleman’s sweep. What’s that tell you about coaching?
You're scapegoating Thibs and dodging the statement that any non-Knicks fan would takr the Cs lineup. You believe the rosters are equal. Stand on it.HopelessKnick wrote:cgmw wrote::noway:HopelessKnick wrote:
Nah bro you comparisons are somewhat off. The thing is, does it even make sense to compare matchup wise? Sure Brunson at this point for example is better than Holiday but their roles are completely different.
Brunson > Holiday
Hart < White
Bridges <<< Brown
OG << Tatum
KAT > Porzingis
Celtics bench >>>> Knick bench
Mazulla >>> Thibs
Now I'll give you one concession though...a lot of these comparisons depend on recent memory and recent games...the Knicks looked terrible against elite teams so that is probably going to figure in right now. Things can change. But really this last series didn't help boosting confidence IMO.
My comment was about roster talent, not matchups. Mizzoula and Thibs are working with similar amounts of overall talent, yet likely series outcome is C’s gentleman’s sweep. What’s that tell you about coaching?
What we all hopefully know by now....Thibs ain't nowhere near an elite coach. Thankfully JB and the guys were talented enough to spare us the embarassment of a first round exit, despite Thibs' coaching.
Jeff Van Gully wrote:knicks1999 wrote:I am old enough to remember Alan Houston’s shot in real time….not sure which one made me go more nuts….both pretty close
Def Allan Houston for me. I remember that like yesterday.
It was also sadly more surprising than JB’s game winner. We’ve come to expect the latter.
GettinitDone wrote:
2:00
Windy: I'm watching this game and I'm like I just don't know what the Knicks are doing, it's just Jalen Brunson dribbling around and trying to find a crack against Ausar Thompson, and I'm like this is NO WAY to play basketball
4:50
Windy: he had 40 pts on 33 shots, it was tough to watch, there were some possessions where you're just like you know you've got KAT on the team, OG, Mikal... but it was just Brunson straight iso-ing
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JB ball hog isos need to go. It might have worked in 1st round and I really think we wouldn't have needed that 3 in the first place had we not dug a hole with JB isoing the rest of the game, but he needs to share the wealth if we are to have any chance vs Celtics/ any success overall in the playoffs moving forward
Jeff Van Gully wrote:knicks1999 wrote:I am old enough to remember Alan Houston’s shot in real time….not sure which one made me go more nuts….both pretty close
Def Allan Houston for me. I remember that like yesterday.
It was also sadly more surprising than JB’s game winner. We’ve come to expect the latter.
No. Ime does as well.LFGK wrote:Watching this game 6, am in the only person that thinks Jalen Green is ass?
knicksNOTslick wrote:Jeff Van Gully wrote:knicks1999 wrote:I am old enough to remember Alan Houston’s shot in real time….not sure which one made me go more nuts….both pretty close
Def Allan Houston for me. I remember that like yesterday.
It was also sadly more surprising than JB’s game winner. We’ve come to expect the latter.
I agree, the rivalry with the Heat was a lot more intense for sure. Detroit is a young team which played a factor and they played the Knicks tough but they're not on the same tier as the Knicks this season. Knicks-Heat was a rivalry that went on multiple postseasons and had actual brawls and so a series ending buzzer beater was well worth it.
This Brunson game winner is definitely there with the Knicks fans memories though.
RHODEY wrote:GettinitDone wrote:
2:00
Windy: I'm watching this game and I'm like I just don't know what the Knicks are doing, it's just Jalen Brunson dribbling around and trying to find a crack against Ausar Thompson, and I'm like this is NO WAY to play basketball
4:50
Windy: he had 40 pts on 33 shots, it was tough to watch, there were some possessions where you're just like you know you've got KAT on the team, OG, Mikal... but it was just Brunson straight iso-ing
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JB ball hog isos need to go. It might have worked in 1st round and I really think we wouldn't have needed that 3 in the first place had we not dug a hole with JB isoing the rest of the game, but he needs to share the wealth if we are to have any chance vs Celtics/ any success overall in the playoffs moving forward
Windy's is a clown because if it was any other team, he be lauding the praises ....
prophet_of_rage wrote:I guess you believe fat meat isn't greasy. Brunson is not equal in talent to Tatum. You aren't even going by the match ups.cgmw wrote:prophet_of_rage wrote:This is going to be a curb stomping. We don't have enough shooting with size. We have to go back to KAT post ups off the cross screen like in the 90s and slow the game doen that way.
Orlando tried to slow it down with defence and failed. And we are worse defenders than them. And playing fast just leads to a 3 point contest.
Everyone will blame Thibs but this is just a mismatch in every way.
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Is it though?
Brunson = Tatum
KAT > Brown
Mikal = KP
OG = Jrue
Hart = White
Deuce = Pritchard
Mitch > Horford
Talent seems pretty level here except they have better coaching and chemistry. Thibs is one of the regular season coaching GOATs but there’s a reason he’s lost in the playoffs over and over and over and over and over and over again.
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