PG: Out of our Misery

[NiceLikeChrist]

Anyone who thinks KAT is a bigger problem than thibs and hart is funny. I don’t even ride for KAT like that but we have bigger problems than him. We have the ability to compensate for him. Minnesota had the best defense in the league with KAT.

Hart is not a bad player but thibs treats him like he is Derrick white. He is NOT Derrick white. In fact if we had Derrick white instead of him I don’t see how we don’t go all the way. All playoffs and all ECF we needed Hart playing less and shamet/wright playing more. It took thibs until game 6 to limit harts minutes but it was too late. Everything he does is always too late. He realizes everything multiple games late.

Hart started or played 35 minutes in games 1-5. There’s no reason for it. It’s unexplainable.

We need to kidnap White.

Id give up hart and deuce for him easy but Celtics probably laugh at that.

They’re keeping white 100% and shipping jrue and porzingis

[Im Coming Home]

Shout out my man OG for showing up when the season was on the line

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He had a nice game but I’m a little worried

Worried his great defense days are over and that Mikal’s genuinely good player days never started

He just seemed tired after playing more games than he normally does on D.. cause he was lockdown begining of the season.

[Maury2423]

Most of our turnovers were unforced idiotic passes at crucial moments in the game, especially the ones in the 1st half…. Constant jump passes into traffic, dribbling into traps, and making bounce passes to someone 5ft away from you while you’re also in the paint….. just stupid turnovers during the moments that matter most

[Jay10]

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"WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PLANS" ????

"It felt like lots of stuff throughout the year just got exposed now"

FIRE THIBS

Opposing team game plan: Keep the game close in the final minutes of the 4th quarter and then keep attacking KAT and Jalen in pick and rolls.

[K_ick_God]

The team holding several meetings is interesting. Thibs not involved. Team knew they were having big letdowns and couldn’t jell fully.

But was there a plan and a mechanism for keeping the players on the same page and rowing together?

[Maury2423]

Man I really hope Mitch is back next year, he **** battled during these playoffs. He’s so dam valuable, especially in the playoffs.

I appreciate Josh’s effort and willpower but he needs to go or have his role reduced to 25mpg at max, and that’s pushing it. The idiotic jump passes in key moments of the games is back breaking, you’re always looking for a home run dagger play even if it’s just 2min into the game… STOP IT!!!

KAT, idk what to say about you man, you’re basically the most talented and skilled player almost every time you step on the court. But your lack of focus and ability to consistently be engaged on both ends of the court makes you an unpredictable player and that’s exactly what you CAN’T be if you want to be a top 2-3 player on a championship team. I’d look to see if Giannis is available and if we can structure a package around KAT for him.

Brunson, man you too, you are greatly appreciated and I love how hard you work. I don’t know if it’s the coaching or just you, I think it’s the coaching, but you really need to let go of the ball and let the ball find you so you can attack off the catch. Also, just try a little on defense man, it won’t kill you. See you next year man.

Mikal, why are you scared of contact? Why don’t you find over screens consistently. Idk what to say about you, you can literally be our X factor against any team, you can put us over the top if you just played consistently and aggressive.

OG, much love man, you were inconsistent and disappeared at times but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt because I think you’re always giving your absolute best effort, I’d like for you to be more assertive like tonight though. Also, please work on your footwork and handle in the post… it would literally put you on an All NBA team imo.

Thibs… you need to get with the times, stop running the same damn offense (if you want to call it that)…. Basically Brunson dribbling the ball for 20 sec before he had to figure it out or 100 dribble hand offs on the perimeter until there’s 3 sec left on the shot clock and we take an extremely contested shot. You gotta go man, this team has the talent to win a championship imo, but you’re capable of getting this team to its potential

[MrDollarBills]

Shout out my man OG for showing up when the season was on the line

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He had a nice game but I’m a little worried

Worried his great defense days are over and that Mikal’s genuinely good player days never started

He just seemed tired after playing more games than he normally does on D.. cause he was lockdown begining of the season.

I think he was dealing with a hamstring issue tbh

[MrDollarBills]

The team holding several meetings is interesting. Thibs not involved. Team knew they were having big letdowns and couldn’t jell fully.

But was there a plan and a mechanism for keeping the players on the same page and rowing together?

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[spree2kawhi]

The team holding several meetings is interesting. Thibs not involved. Team knew they were having big letdowns and couldn’t jell fully.

But was there a plan and a mechanism for keeping the players on the same page and rowing together?

The offense could’ve been a lot more reliable and fluid, the lineup with Mitch as a starter should’ve been used much earlier. Not all went well. Offensively, we still need more passing and movement. Defensively, we need Hart to come off the bench.

I’ll say this much: I am convinced this team can grow and take huge steps forward. And I think it would be unfair to exclude the coach here. I’d welcome fresh ideas, but I also think he’ll benefit just as much from a full summer and training camp as the players after getting a successful entire season und the belt. Bring DiVincenzo back. We’ll be just fine, but man, …


… you can’t lose against Indiana.

[Adelheid]

The team holding several meetings is interesting. Thibs not involved. Team knew they were having big letdowns and couldn’t jell fully.

But was there a plan and a mechanism for keeping the players on the same page and rowing together?

yes, absolutely baffling that it has to be "several" - why could such congregations not be shared with thine beloved coach...we could just wonder

[Context]

The team holding several meetings is interesting. Thibs not involved. Team knew they were having big letdowns and couldn’t jell fully.

But was there a plan and a mechanism for keeping the players on the same page and rowing together?

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exactly...confirmed by a player who played for Thibs. Brunson is blinded by his love and loyalty for Thibs. Like I said before-
I just came back in December of 2023 so I havent really seen "The Don" in action. He will show me what type of "Don" he is because
Thibs is not a Tier 1 coach who can beat Tier one championship coaches.

[Galvationknicks]

He had a nice game but I’m a little worried

Worried his great defense days are over and that Mikal’s genuinely good player days never started

He just seemed tired after playing more games than he normally does on D.. cause he was lockdown begining of the season.

I think he was dealing with a hamstring issue tbh

Hasn't played 74 games since his rookie season and add playoffs this year 18 games

[Adelheid]

brunson played drunk - this may be the worst i have seen him play considering the dire circumstances.

KAT played wonky as well; its as if they were told to throw the game away.

[Galvationknicks]

How about if we just add big 4 that can defend and shoot 3s. Then bridges and OG move down a spot, hart to the bench.

Guess I described Evan Mobley, so we need, a not soft version of Mobley

[Context]

The team holding several meetings is interesting. Thibs not involved. Team knew they were having big letdowns and couldn’t jell fully.

But was there a plan and a mechanism for keeping the players on the same page and rowing together?

yes, absolutely baffling that it has to be "several" - why could such congregations not be shared with thine beloved coach...we could just wonder

Towns needs work but I dont think he can handle what that work would be. Hakeem Olajuwon is where I would go if I were him. Take some of the 50 million and ask Hakeem can we train one on one for 3 months straight. Leave your girlfriend at home - send her away with family and/or friends on a 3 month vacation tour. While you are in this boot camp with Hakeem. Bring in some psychological programmers to rid you of these stupid fouls. Bring in David Goggins so you can get in the best cardio shape of your life (so you can have the ENERGY to play defense) and finally bring in a defensive specialist
so you can work on your defense.

Thats the boot camp I would create for myself if I was Towns.

[Adelheid]

Shout out my man OG for showing up when the season was on the line

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He had a nice game but I’m a little worried

Worried his great defense days are over and that Mikal’s genuinely good player days never started

He just seemed tired after playing more games than he normally does on D.. cause he was lockdown begining of the season.

an expanded rotation would have certainly helped, no?
whats the point of the idea when someone wont implement it anyway

[dakomish23]

Most of our turnovers were unforced idiotic passes at crucial moments in the game, especially the ones in the 1st half…. Constant jump passes into traffic, dribbling into traps, and making bounce passes to someone 5ft away from you while you’re also in the paint….. just stupid turnovers during the moments that matter most

I was rewatching some of the highlights. The amount of times one of our permitter players made an unforced bad turnover that led to points is what killed us tonight

And all series.

The Villanova guys averaged almost 10 turnovers per game. A stat will come out that this led to X amount of points

[ctorres]

Their players legs are a tad younger than ours. That's the only advantage I'm worried about. Are they going to find a way to fully exhaust our guys?

Here is an age comparison between both rosters (only listing players who have played more than 1 minute in the series):

KNICKS
Delon Wright (32)
Cameron Payne (30)
Karl-Anthony Towns (29)
Josh Hart (29)
Jalen Brunson (28)
Mikal Bridges (28)
OG Anunoby (27)
Landry Shamet (27)
Mitchell Robinson (26)
Precious Achiuwa (25)
Miles McBride (24)

PACERS
TJ McConnell (32)
Pascal Siakam (30)
Myles Turner (28)
Tony Bradley (27)
Thomas Bryant (27)
Obi Toppin (26)
Aaron Nesmith (25)
Andrew Nehmbhard (25)
Tyrese Haliburton (24)
Ben Sheppard (23)
Bennedict Mathurin (22)

- As many as 6 of the Pacers' main rotation players are under the age of 27
- Of the 3 Knicks' players who are under the age of 27, only 2 are rotation players (McBride, Robinson)
- Only 3 Pacers players are 28 years old or older
- As many as 6 Knicks players are 28 years old or older
- Knicks players aren't old, but Pacers are collectively younger.
- Knicks players have slightly more experience, but not a whole lot more.

you know who David Goggins is?
our knicks are not old...if age is what youre worried about CT. I promise you - you have nothing to worry about.
Check out David Googins...sure - age can be an issue BUT thats only if you let it. However,
20's and early 30's is not old if you're in shape.
All we have to do is NOT RUN with Indy. It's not about their age- its about Indy is a well oiled machine when it comes to their style of play.
We are not. We have the formula to beat Indy- all we have to do is execute it.
Keep bodies on Hali. He's a front runner. He's not built like that. Only runs his mouth when he's winning or is ahead. He can run the point for sure.
Has the ability to hit three's consistently and he believes in himself and so does his teammates.
We just need to disrupt that. Disrupt Indy defensively and the rest will fall into place.
I believe we will do that tonight CT.

quoting from the game thread

Context I trusted you!

I told you I was worried about the Knicks' players ages compared to the Pacers. You told me the Knicks were not old! AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED

We need our young guys to show us something if we are going to keep them. Kolek, Dadiet, McCullar, Hukporti.

We need youth to compliment our vets. Our youth have to be good too, just being young is not enough.

[Context]

Their players legs are a tad younger than ours. That's the only advantage I'm worried about. Are they going to find a way to fully exhaust our guys?

Here is an age comparison between both rosters (only listing players who have played more than 1 minute in the series):

KNICKS
Delon Wright (32)
Cameron Payne (30)
Karl-Anthony Towns (29)
Josh Hart (29)
Jalen Brunson (28)
Mikal Bridges (28)
OG Anunoby (27)
Landry Shamet (27)
Mitchell Robinson (26)
Precious Achiuwa (25)
Miles McBride (24)

PACERS
TJ McConnell (32)
Pascal Siakam (30)
Myles Turner (28)
Tony Bradley (27)
Thomas Bryant (27)
Obi Toppin (26)
Aaron Nesmith (25)
Andrew Nehmbhard (25)
Tyrese Haliburton (24)
Ben Sheppard (23)
Bennedict Mathurin (22)

- As many as 6 of the Pacers' main rotation players are under the age of 27
- Of the 3 Knicks' players who are under the age of 27, only 2 are rotation players (McBride, Robinson)
- Only 3 Pacers players are 28 years old or older
- As many as 6 Knicks players are 28 years old or older
- Knicks players aren't old, but Pacers are collectively younger.
- Knicks players have slightly more experience, but not a whole lot more.

you know who David Goggins is?
our knicks are not old...if age is what youre worried about CT. I promise you - you have nothing to worry about.
Check out David Googins...sure - age can be an issue BUT thats only if you let it. However,
20's and early 30's is not old if you're in shape.
All we have to do is NOT RUN with Indy. It's not about their age- its about Indy is a well oiled machine when it comes to their style of play.
We are not. We have the formula to beat Indy- all we have to do is execute it.
Keep bodies on Hali. He's a front runner. He's not built like that. Only runs his mouth when he's winning or is ahead. He can run the point for sure.
Has the ability to hit three's consistently and he believes in himself and so does his teammates.
We just need to disrupt that. Disrupt Indy defensively and the rest will fall into place.
I believe we will do that tonight CT.

quoting from the game thread

Context I trusted you!

I told you I was worried about the Knicks' players ages compared to the Pacers. You told me the Knicks were not old! AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED

We need our young guys to show us something if we are going to keep them. Kolek, Dadiet, McCullar, Hukporti.

We need youth to compliment our vets. Our youth have to be good too, just being young is not enough.

Age has nothing to do with it. We need a new coach and if we are keeping Kat - he will need some soul searching. This has nothing to do with age.

[The KnicksFix]

the CBA basically makes that impossible with the contracts they have. U basically are bargin binning the bench if you don't get rid of a starters contract.

Who wants KATs contract is the issue.

Mikal to me is your most valuable player. He's still the one other teams will covet.

KAT weaknesses are a lot and his contract is even more

Brunson is Brunson. He got that Randle feel to him where most will take him but they won't give up much for him

OG is cool. You need to keep him.

Brunson is one of those overachievers you want to upgrade from. Like going from Stephon Marbury to Jason Kidd or Steve Nash

KAT is 3rd team all NBA coming off a monster year where all metrics say during the regular season he was our best player and many FO's are very analytically driven. Now there is legit concern especially come playoff time where teams mismatch hunt that can Brunson and KAT thrive together as teammates.

They aren't effective offensively enough together where are best lineups were with them apart. To warrant both being not good defenders.

Now part of them not being effective together is clearly thibs but at this point I don't see us moving on from Thibs and most know I'm not a thibs guy.

I think its an either or...you can get creative and be a elite offensive team with Brunson and KAT and a new coach and try to build that way or if you are keeping Thibs I feel like KAT has to go.

It’s either KAT or Thibs, not both