Around the nba part 7

[knicksnyk]

Ray: FG% of.425, 3PT% of .354, FT% of .787 along with an average of 14.0 points, 5.5 assists, 2.8 assists, 1.4 steals and 2.3 turnovers per game. Assist Per Turnover Ratio of 2.32. Player Efficiency Rating of 15.16.

Lin: FG% of .444, 3PT% of .344, FT% of .785 along with an average of 13.1 points, 6.1 assists, 3.0 assists, 1.7 steals and 2.9 turnovers per game. Assist Per Turnover Ratio of 2.09. Player Efficiency Rating of 15.11.

Here are a few more stats for you.

(used per 36 because Ray plays more minutes than Lin)
Lin per 36 15 pts on 12 FGA 45% FG 34% 3P% 7 assists, 2 steals 3.4 rbs 3.3 TO's 79% FT
Ray per 36 15 pts on 14FGA 43% FG 35% 3P% 6 assists 1.5 steals 3.0 rbs 2.5 TO's 79% FT

Scoring
Lins TS 54% efg 49%
Felton 50% efg 48%
Advantange Lin, better scorer more efficient

Passing
Lin passing rating 12.7 ast/48 9.0
Felton passing 7.4 ast/48 8.1
Advantage Lin better passer averages more assists as the 2nd ball handler


Ball handling
Lin ball handling rating 23.8
felton ball handling 18.6
Advantage Lin Better ball handler


PNR
Lin ranked 39th in the NBA 0.85ppp 48% FG 35% 3fg (26%time)
Ray ranked 74th in the NBA 0.79ppp 43% FG 46% 3fg (43%time)
Advantage Lin better PNR player despite running it WAY less than Felton does


defense
Lin ranked 192nd in teh NBA 0.87ppp 40%fg 35% 3fg
Ray ranked 364th in the NBA 0.95ppp 44%fg 37% 3fg
Advantage Lin much better defender isn't even funny how AWFUL ray is defensively

PTS/70 AST/70 TOV/70 TS%
11/12 Lin ("Linsanity") 22.3 8.2 5.3 58.4%
11/12 Lin (post-"Linsanity") 16.1 7.3 4.1 52.6%

12/13 Lin w/ Harden 13.7 6.3 3.0 53.1%
12/13 Lin w/o Harden 17.5 8.7 4.2 57.7%

PTS/70, AST/70, and TOV/70 are stats per 70 possessions (roughly pace-adjusted per 36 minutes stats). 11/12 stats from stats.nba.com and 12/13 stats are from nbawowy.com.

[Thugger HBC]

In regards to Lin, you can't teach his game IQ, you can't teach his vision, his passing skill, his uncanny ability for spacing and making his teammates pass the ball when he's on the floor, you can't teach his clutch gene, work ethic, and you can't teach his instincts and nose for the ball on defensive end.

You don't succeed strictly based on just talent like the Roses, Irvings, Westbrooks, Currys. You can also succeed based on the qualities above... being smart, being hard-working, having great feel of the game instead of just talent.

Also, you gotta remember those guards have NO ball dominator like James Harden. NONE of them has to deal with being "demoted" from being the main handler to being a corner spot up shooter. NONE. Tell me when Rose, Irving, Wall, Curry had to be that spot up catch and shoot corner shooter. They get to handle the ball, they get to dribble for 10-15 seconds and finding their groove. Lin is not allowed such luxury.

Lin doesn't have the ball exclusively as the other guys do, that's granted.

The other things in your post only time will tell, but having a player like harden makes the transition alot easier for him, where as the other guys mention have to go do it as that guy in most cases.

[Tron Carter]

omg guys who cares the wiz are up 11 on the pacers right now mid third

[Thugger HBC]

Pacers laying an egg in the third.

[Knicks_Fan2]

Pacers laying an egg in the third.

John Wall is murdering them. They even put George on him and it's not working. Wiz are tough.

[Brooklyn718]

Pacers defense has been falling apart lately

[Knicks_Fan2]

Pacers defense has been falling apart lately

And PG has been shooting like ****

[GettinitDone]

In regards to Lin, you can't teach his game IQ, you can't teach his vision, his passing skill, his uncanny ability for spacing and making his teammates pass the ball when he's on the floor, you can't teach his clutch gene, work ethic, and you can't teach his instincts and nose for the ball on defensive end.

You don't succeed strictly based on just talent like the Roses, Irvings, Westbrooks, Currys. You can also succeed based on the qualities above... being smart, being hard-working, having great feel of the game instead of just talent.

Also, you gotta remember those guards have NO ball dominator like James Harden. NONE of them has to deal with being "demoted" from being the main handler to being a corner spot up shooter. NONE. Tell me when Rose, Irving, Wall, Curry had to be that spot up catch and shoot corner shooter. They get to handle the ball, they get to dribble for 10-15 seconds and finding their groove. Lin is not allowed such luxury.

Lin doesn't have the ball exclusively as the other guys do, that's granted.

The other things in your post only time will tell, but having a player like harden makes the transition alot easier for him, where as the other guys mention have to go do it as that guy in most cases.

Or you can say that Harden is actually the one who held him back. There's no question Harden took the pressure as being the no 1 guy in Houston that Lin might not have been ready for... but it also came at a price of severely compromising his game. He is "demoted" from being the main decision maker to the corner spot up shooter. This role doesn't make Derek Fisher a star.

The time when Harden sat out, Lin always produced (38 points on Spurs), or when Harden played but Lin was given more responsibilities in handling the ball and distributing, he also produced (29pts, 9 assists on OKC... 22pts, 8 assists on us and Blazers yesterday). Fact is Lin is averaging only 13pts and 6 assists because of the many 5-6-7 points, and 2-3-4 assists nights that he had because of, for whatever McHale reasons, being benched for the inferior backup Beverley (I like the kid actually) who ended up playing more minutes than Lin in A LOT of Houston games this season. As Lin earns more trusts from McHale, he will get more playing time, and when Harden struggles, sits on the bench, or is out to an injury in the future, Lin will get more responsibilities and I guarantee he will deliver. Will he have bad games? Yes, but they would NOT be because of poor decision making, lackadaisical effort, or playing the game the wrong way.

[Tron Carter]

paul george showing why he's the franchise player ever team dreams of.

[Rasho Brezec]

Harden doesn't hold anyone back because Harden is the best player on that team. You can't hold back someone who's worse than you.

[Thugger HBC]

In regards to Lin, you can't teach his game IQ, you can't teach his vision, his passing skill, his uncanny ability for spacing and making his teammates pass the ball when he's on the floor, you can't teach his clutch gene, work ethic, and you can't teach his instincts and nose for the ball on defensive end.

You don't succeed strictly based on just talent like the Roses, Irvings, Westbrooks, Currys. You can also succeed based on the qualities above... being smart, being hard-working, having great feel of the game instead of just talent.

Also, you gotta remember those guards have NO ball dominator like James Harden. NONE of them has to deal with being "demoted" from being the main handler to being a corner spot up shooter. NONE. Tell me when Rose, Irving, Wall, Curry had to be that spot up catch and shoot corner shooter. They get to handle the ball, they get to dribble for 10-15 seconds and finding their groove. Lin is not allowed such luxury.

Lin doesn't have the ball exclusively as the other guys do, that's granted.

The other things in your post only time will tell, but having a player like harden makes the transition alot easier for him, where as the other guys mention have to go do it as that guy in most cases.

Or you can say that Harden is actually the one who held him back. There's no question Harden took the pressure as being the no 1 guy in Houston that Lin might not have been ready for... but it also came at a price of severely compromising his game. He is "demoted" from being the main decision maker to the corner spot up shooter. This role doesn't make Derek Fisher a star.

The time when Harden sat out, Lin always produced (38 points on Spurs), or when Harden played but Lin was given more responsibilities in handling the ball and distributing, he also produced (29pts, 9 assists on OKC... 22pts, 8 assists on us and Blazers yesterday). Fact is Lin is averaging only 13pts and 6 assists because of the many 5-6-7 points, and 2-3-4 assists nights that he had because of, for whatever McHale reasons, being benched for the inferior backup Beverley (I like the kid actually) who ended up playing more minutes than Lin in A LOT of Houston games this season. As Lin earns more trusts from McHale, he will get more playing time, and when Harden struggles, sits on the bench, or is out to an injury in the future, Lin will get more responsibilities and I guarantee he will deliver. Will he have bad games? Yes, but they would NOT be because of poor decision making, lackadaisical effort, or playing the game the wrong way.

The team is doing much better expected, that's really all that matters.

[Knicks_Fan2]

Harden doesn't hold anyone back because Harden is the best player on that team. You can't hold back someone who's worse than you.

That's definitely an overstatement. You certainly can hold a player back who would be more productive with higher usage even if it's better for the team that the primary player dominates the ball. Not sure that's the case with the Rockets but it's possible.

[j4remi]

John Wall in his return has reminded me of D-Rose a bit...not even gonna front about it. Obviously not THAT good yet but man...athletic freak check, a bit out of control but maturing check, unstoppable when he hits the gas check.

[GettinitDone]

Harden doesn't hold anyone back because Harden is the best player on that team. You can't hold back someone who's worse than you.

Put Harden, LeBron, Kobe, Durant on same team. I guarantee their scoring averages would plummet from their current (real) ones.

At the end of the day, there is only one ball on the court. If one guy has it, there's nothing much (appearing on the stats) the other 4 guys can do offensively.

[Thugger HBC]

Harden doesn't hold anyone back because Harden is the best player on that team. You can't hold back someone who's worse than you.

Put Harden, LeBron, Kobe, Durant on same team. I guarantee their scoring averages would plummet from their current (real) ones.

At the end of the day, there is only one ball on the court. If one guy has it, there's nothing much (appearing on the stats) the other 4 guys can do offensively.

Actually that team would score more, they would feed off each other.

They would literally pick their nights on who gets to go off.

Two of those guys have players who dominate the ball quite a bit as well and their games are still on pace.

[Knicks_Fan2]

John Wall in his return has reminded me of D-Rose a bit...not even gonna front about it. Obviously not THAT good yet but man...athletic freak check, a bit out of control but maturing check, unstoppable when he hits the gas check.

His numbers in March were fantastic and he's just had games (like the 47 he dropped on Memphis) that are jawdropping. Great comeback for him after a lot of people wrote him off WAY too early.

[Never Wrong]

I've watched some Rockets games. And Lin has the ball plenty and it's only taken away from him after he screws it up so bad that he digs the team a giant hole. Why is it so hard to come to terms with the fact that he's just not good? We get it, he's your idol, he validates your existence. But enough already.

[Knicks_Fan2]

Harden doesn't hold anyone back because Harden is the best player on that team. You can't hold back someone who's worse than you.

Put Harden, LeBron, Kobe, Durant on same team. I guarantee their scoring averages would plummet from their current (real) ones.

At the end of the day, there is only one ball on the court. If one guy has it, there's nothing much (appearing on the stats) the other 4 guys can do offensively.

Actually that team would score more, they would feed off each other.

They would literally pick their nights on who gets to go off.

Two of those guys have players who dominate the ball quite a bit as well and their games are still on pace.

Point is ultimately, though, that their averages could never be the same even if, as a team, they are better. Just not enough usage.

[Knicks_Fan2]

I've watched some Rockets games. And Lin has the ball plenty and it's only taken away from him after he screws it up so bad that he digs the team a giant hole. Why is it so hard to come to terms with the fact that he's just not good? We get it, he's your idol, he validates your existence. But enough already.

That will never work but at least it's cabined to this thread.

GO WIZARDS

[Rasho Brezec]

Lin's not good enough to have the offense run through him, and if he doesn't have the ball in his hands, that makes him less useful. Sounds like a high maintenance mediocre player to me.