PG Thread: FRANK GANG GANG UNITE - 'Remi Bomb: Pg 13

[IllmaticHandler]

Nothing

Yet no proof of it tells you everything.... You went to law school. You know it dont work like that...

Sure it does. We are playing the judgment game.

I cant with you Greens.


Im changing my Location to "In Gaines I trust"

[Greenie]

Yet no proof of it tells you everything.... You went to law school. You know it dont work like that...

Sure it does. We are playing the judgment game.

I cant with you Greens.


Im changing my Location to "In Gaines I trust"

Change your location to my kitchen first.
Cook the crow homie.

[FKF]

No you don't get it. Your point was that he stuck to his plan. He didn't. He spent cap space to sign Rolo/Afflalo to pair with Melo and Calderon to get to the playoffs that didn't work. Then he tanked. He did it again with Noah/Lee/etc and he had to tank again.

His whole tenure was start/stop/start/stop. He didn;t do it just once. He did it in multiple years.

What exactly is wrong with start stop start etc if at the end you’re acquiring the talent and improving the culture ?

This is Phil’s team plus Tim Hardaway we are seeing currently. Phil wanted Melo out, he’s out. Same coaches, coaching his young talent acquired in the draft. Nobody speaks of the triangle anymore but there were triangle sets last night.
Phil had flaws as an exec, which the ny media killed for, but it would have been different in another market.
Even said that, he was our first president to follow a plan which was to rebuild through the draft. Blame all his trade you want, he kept all his 1st round picks. I heard folks say it was easy, but they all traded picks before him under the pressure of the owner.

You are wrong. Phil's team was going to be minus thjr and Melo AND MINUS KP. Plus Ryan Anderson's terrible contract and plus the garbage haul we would get for Kp. Or did all of you Phil supporters forget he was set on trading kp for missing his exit interview before Dolan stepped in and fired his was.

But keep drinking the Phil kool aid though.

Oh and I forgot PLUS a resigned Derrick Rose. Gtfo all of you with this Phil was a good POBO.

Why are you angry ? Phil’s gone anyway.

Phil investigated to trade KP in order to move up for Lonzo Ball. Then with no trade in place, he picked Frank and kept KP.
That said, nobody should or should have been be treated as untouchable. Especially guys who’s never made the all star teams.

Phil is going to be remembered for picking Porzingis and Ntilikina, whether you like it or not.

[K_ick_God]

Offense & defense already look better than anything with Phil and we have some weak defensive players with little experience together.

Yeah but Phil got 3 core pieces and didn't go for quick fixes. He started to change the operating manual. Made a bunch of mistakes but the big stuff and overall arc was right and is paying off already.

Noah/Lee/Rose/Afflalo/Calderon were quick fixes. That was his problem. He went from let's make the playoffs to tank to playoffs to tank all in the same season multiples times.

Quick fixes were all his free agent signings.

You could say that but it's a matter of degrees.

[TankCommander17]

What exactly is wrong with start stop start etc if at the end you’re acquiring the talent and improving the culture ?

This is Phil’s team plus Tim Hardaway we are seeing currently. Phil wanted Melo out, he’s out. Same coaches, coaching his young talent acquired in the draft. Nobody speaks of the triangle anymore but there were triangle sets last night.
Phil had flaws as an exec, which the ny media killed for, but it would have been different in another market.
Even said that, he was our first president to follow a plan which was to rebuild through the draft. Blame all his trade you want, he kept all his 1st round picks. I heard folks say it was easy, but they all traded picks before him under the pressure of the owner.

You are wrong. Phil's team was going to be minus thjr and Melo AND MINUS KP. Plus Ryan Anderson's terrible contract and plus the garbage haul we would get for Kp. Or did all of you Phil supporters forget he was set on trading kp for missing his exit interview before Dolan stepped in and fired his was.

But keep drinking the Phil kool aid though.

Oh and I forgot PLUS a resigned Derrick Rose. Gtfo all of you with this Phil was a good POBO.

Why are you angry ? Phil’s gone anyway.

Phil investigated to trade KP in order to move up for Lonzo Ball. Then with no trade in place, he picked Frank and kept KP.
That said, nobody should or should have been be treated as untouchable. Especially guys who’s never made the all star teams.

Phil is going to be remembered for picking Porzingis and Ntilikina, whether you like it or not.

No he is not. Look at any media report after he was let go. He was ridiculed and will be remembered as a joke.

And it is funny how first it is. Oh he had a plan and stuck with it. You are showed facts against.

Then it is "well at least he got assets and our team would be this team he likes minus THjr". Then you are shown facts against that.

Now it's "oh he will be remembered for KP and Ntilikina". You want me to show you the reports after his firing? What stance will you take after that?

Just take your L like a man.

[TankCommander17]

Yeah but Phil got 3 core pieces and didn't go for quick fixes. He started to change the operating manual. Made a bunch of mistakes but the big stuff and overall arc was right and is paying off already.

Noah/Lee/Rose/Afflalo/Calderon were quick fixes. That was his problem. He went from let's make the playoffs to tank to playoffs to tank all in the same season multiples times.

Quick fixes were all his free agent signings.

You could say that but it's a matter of degrees.

Ok so he went from extremes in Noah. To not extreme in Afflalo. And everything in between with Rose/Lee/afflalo/calderon.

He fulfilled the whole spectrum.

[KnickFan33]

Yeah but Phil got 3 core pieces and didn't go for quick fixes. He started to change the operating manual. Made a bunch of mistakes but the big stuff and overall arc was right and is paying off already.

Noah/Lee/Rose/Afflalo/Calderon were quick fixes. That was his problem. He went from let's make the playoffs to tank to playoffs to tank all in the same season multiples times.

Quick fixes were all his free agent signings.

You could say that but it's a matter of degrees.

I will repeat, these "quick fixes" were not detrimental to the long term prospects of the franchise. That is far from a bad thing

edit: except noah's contract

[TankCommander17]

Noah/Lee/Rose/Afflalo/Calderon were quick fixes. That was his problem. He went from let's make the playoffs to tank to playoffs to tank all in the same season multiples times.

Quick fixes were all his free agent signings.

You could say that but it's a matter of degrees.

I will repeat, these "quick fixes" were not detrimental to the long term prospects of the franchise. That is far from a bad thing.

The noah and Lee contracts won't allow us to be in contention for a top free agent for TWO MORE YEARS. How is that not a long term detriment.

Boogie is a free agent this season. So is PG/Lebron. Do those type of players come around every year?

So we have cap space in two years. To sign who? A 30 year old Klay Thompson I guess?

These things matter.

Imagine if we had cap and KP/Frank were showing free agents that if you join them we might ahve something here just like the Lakers are trying to do (badly) with their team.

Imagine
Boogie
Kp
Doncic
???
Frank.

Who doesn't sign up for that? But now we can't. Because of these dumb ass contracts.

[KnickFan33]

You could say that but it's a matter of degrees.

I will repeat, these "quick fixes" were not detrimental to the long term prospects of the franchise. That is far from a bad thing.

The noah and Lee contracts won't allow us to be in contention for a top free agent for TWO MORE YEARS. How is that not a long term detriment.

Boogie is a free agent this season. So is PG/Lebron. Do those type of players come around every year?

So we have cap space in two years. To sign who? A 30 year old Klay Thompson I guess?

These things matter.

Imagine if we had cap and KP/Frank were showing free agents that if you join them we might ahve something here just like the Lakers are trying to do (badly) with their team.

Imagine
Boogie
Kp
Doncic
???
Frank.

Who doesn't sign up for that? But now we can't. Because of these dumb ass contracts.

You act as if every other front office in the history of the NBA has a perfect record with each transaction they've made. I still don't view Lee's contract as bad though, just unnecessary. Noah's contract is his only horrible move, IMHO.

And when are we going to learn that hoping a big name FA is going to sign here isn't worth the headache?
Edit: I'm not trying to say cap space isn't important.

[Capn'O]

A scout dont mean you make the Pick. Grant is an NBA player regardless to whom or what. So even if Gaines Scouted Grant, does not mean Phil HAD to pick him at that spot. sometimes that decision falls squarely on the GM. There is no record of Gaines pushing Grant at all. Yet we can find all the other players that Gaines was associated with and did extensive scouting on. Grant could have been on a big board given to Phil. If Grant was picked in the second round nobody would be saying anything.

Yes he would if we’re playing the “don’t question Gaines” game.

You do know Grant was picked by the Wizards right? You do know that he was not our pick and was TRADED for by Phil. How much does Gaines really have to do with that. You have no proof on what gaines connection to that player was.

Grant's also averaging 11/7 so far this year. Pretty good for where he was picked.

Spoiler:

Take some time to think about your offers ladies and gents

[TankCommander17]

I will repeat, these "quick fixes" were not detrimental to the long term prospects of the franchise. That is far from a bad thing.

The noah and Lee contracts won't allow us to be in contention for a top free agent for TWO MORE YEARS. How is that not a long term detriment.

Boogie is a free agent this season. So is PG/Lebron. Do those type of players come around every year?

So we have cap space in two years. To sign who? A 30 year old Klay Thompson I guess?

These things matter.

Imagine if we had cap and KP/Frank were showing free agents that if you join them we might ahve something here just like the Lakers are trying to do (badly) with their team.

Imagine
Boogie
Kp
Doncic
???
Frank.

Who doesn't sign up for that? But now we can't. Because of these dumb ass contracts.

You act as if every other front office in the history of the NBA has a perfect record with each transaction they've made. I still don't view Lee's contract as bad though, just unnecessary. Noah's contract is his only horrible move, IMHO.

And when are we going to learn that hoping a big name FA is going to sign here isn't worth the headache?
Edit: I'm not trying to say cap space isn't important.

So what are you trying to say then?

Big name FA have not wanted to come here because we didn't have a core to offer them. That is why we whiffed in 2010 and every year thereafter.

Kp/Frank/2018 nba draft pick can be FINALLY the core that changes that around. Because we haven't had a player as good as KP since Pat. Yeah sorry Melo/Amare fans.

He is only 22 and already dropping 30/10 games like no ones business.

It is all over the media how players would want to play with KP. Now that we may finally have something we lack cap space. Because of dumb ass.

And I never said that every front office was perfect. But Phil was idiotic in most of his moves except the draft. Just because he hit on two picks with the help of Gaines doesn't make him a good gm.

The thunder GM is a good gm.

[Amsterdam]

Phil was awesome in my eyes. I'll always appreciate his tenure and remember it fondly.

Honestly, some of the best things about him were his brash personality and willingness to toy with the NY media. If you ask me, the Knicks needed someone like him to cleanse the franchise. Now, everyone's on their best behavior. He sacrificed his "legacy" to rebuild the team because he knew it was the right thing. So I laugh at anyone who says he came here to collect a check and simply didn't care. He cared enough to do something no one else ever had the balls to do here, and now we're all better off for it. Talk about a legacy.

Him tearing teams down to tank for lottery picks, getting screwed in the draft lottery the first time and still turning the pick into absolute gold, and very possibly the best player in that draft, is nothing short of heart-warming. Then for him to hit this last pick with Frank out of the park like many of us now suspect he did... to me... was all well-worth some of the heartache the fickle NY fans were forced to endure throughout his tenure. It was all worth it, and it's a shame there were so many who couldn't see it that way before they became so emotional.

The biggest mystery that remains to me is Melo's NTC. I know that wasn't Phil's idea, and I know he couldn't have been happy about it. I hope he writes about it all one day.

Agreed to all said here.

The ntc was or was not Phil, but by going to war with Melo he forced Melo out and a new dawn in.
Noone but someone with Phil Jackson's credentials could of challenged a well liked all-star vet like Melo.

Phil took a bullet for the sake of the franchise.

Challenge what? Melo is a player under contract. Treat him as such. Only the Knicks blur the lines.

Phil didn’t take a bullet. He had a job to do and failed.

If you mean he failed Melo, you are being opinionated.
If he left the franchise a younger team with 2 building blocks, then I'm being opinionated.

Agree to disagree.

[backstreets]

Back to the lecture at hand. This was my favorite Frank pass from last night, mainly because of how quick/decisive/accurate it was. Plus there was a bit of no-look to it, which never hurts.

This also shows how DMD is doing some of the little things. He's directing the play. Maybe Lee is the one not paying attention in practice. Doug draws a lot of attention and opens up the floor to give KP room to operate. His defense has been better this year too.

Frank/Baker
Lee/THJr
Doug/Kuz
KP/LFT
Noah/KOQ

[Triple C]

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Lance sucks but he's a great guy

[Mecca]

I can when people wanna prop up Gaines as a dude not to question.

What’s hard to understand about that?

I'm just saying that you can't use a 2nd round pick miss as carrying the same weight as a top 10. No Executive is perfect, but Gaines resume is mad impressive.

Yes it is.

I will question any pick Gaines makes until they play. Don’t tell me not to when dude has fuqed up picks too.

I will question every pick too. I'm just saying hat holding the 40th pick in the draft against him isn't a justifiable premise.

[KnickFan33]

The noah and Lee contracts won't allow us to be in contention for a top free agent for TWO MORE YEARS. How is that not a long term detriment.

Boogie is a free agent this season. So is PG/Lebron. Do those type of players come around every year?

So we have cap space in two years. To sign who? A 30 year old Klay Thompson I guess?

These things matter.

Imagine if we had cap and KP/Frank were showing free agents that if you join them we might ahve something here just like the Lakers are trying to do (badly) with their team.

Imagine
Boogie
Kp
Doncic
???
Frank.

Who doesn't sign up for that? But now we can't. Because of these dumb ass contracts.

You act as if every other front office in the history of the NBA has a perfect record with each transaction they've made. I still don't view Lee's contract as bad though, just unnecessary. Noah's contract is his only horrible move, IMHO.

And when are we going to learn that hoping a big name FA is going to sign here isn't worth the headache?
Edit: I'm not trying to say cap space isn't important.

So what are you trying to say then?

Big name FA have not wanted to come here because we didn't have a core to offer them. That is why we whiffed in 2010 and every year thereafter.

Kp/Frank/2018 nba draft pick can be FINALLY the core that changes that around. Because we haven't had a player as good as KP since Pat. Yeah sorry Melo/Amare fans.

He is only 22 and already dropping 30/10 games like no ones business.

It is all over the media how players would want to play with KP. Now that we may finally have something we lack cap space. Because of dumb ass.

And I never said that every front office was perfect. But Phil was idiotic in most of his moves except the draft. Just because he hit on two picks with the help of Gaines doesn't make him a good gm.

The thunder GM is a good gm.

Dude... The original thing I posted is that Phil wasn't as horrible as he's made out to be. Never said he was perfect. Other than Walsh, he's probably the best we've had in the past 2 decades (which isn't really saying much).

Regarding it being all over the media that people want to play with KP... I remember that being said about playing with Melo and playing under D'Antoni. How have those worked out? You can hope all you want for the best case scenario in any situation, but you're just setting yourself up for disappointment.

[TankCommander17]

You act as if every other front office in the history of the NBA has a perfect record with each transaction they've made. I still don't view Lee's contract as bad though, just unnecessary. Noah's contract is his only horrible move, IMHO.

And when are we going to learn that hoping a big name FA is going to sign here isn't worth the headache?
Edit: I'm not trying to say cap space isn't important.

So what are you trying to say then?

Big name FA have not wanted to come here because we didn't have a core to offer them. That is why we whiffed in 2010 and every year thereafter.

Kp/Frank/2018 nba draft pick can be FINALLY the core that changes that around. Because we haven't had a player as good as KP since Pat. Yeah sorry Melo/Amare fans.

He is only 22 and already dropping 30/10 games like no ones business.

It is all over the media how players would want to play with KP. Now that we may finally have something we lack cap space. Because of dumb ass.

And I never said that every front office was perfect. But Phil was idiotic in most of his moves except the draft. Just because he hit on two picks with the help of Gaines doesn't make him a good gm.

The thunder GM is a good gm.

Dude... The original thing I posted is that Phil wasn't as horrible as he's made out to be. Never said he was perfect. Other than Walsh, he's probably the best we've had in the past 2 decades (which isn't really saying much).

Regarding it being all over the media that people want to play with KP... I remember that being said about playing with Melo and playing under D'Antoni. How have those worked out? You can hope all you want for the best case scenario in any situation, but you're just setting yourself up for disappointment.

That was never said about Melo. Not sure where you got that.

It was said about Pringles but like I stated we didn't have a core to offer any top stars in 2010. We were offering David Lee/Gallo as a core.

No top player would be dumb enough to want that. Except Melo.

[Amsterdam]

The noah and Lee contracts won't allow us to be in contention for a top free agent for TWO MORE YEARS. How is that not a long term detriment.

Boogie is a free agent this season. So is PG/Lebron. Do those type of players come around every year?

So we have cap space in two years. To sign who? A 30 year old Klay Thompson I guess?

These things matter.

Imagine if we had cap and KP/Frank were showing free agents that if you join them we might ahve something here just like the Lakers are trying to do (badly) with their team.

Imagine
Boogie
Kp
Doncic
???
Frank.

Who doesn't sign up for that? But now we can't. Because of these dumb ass contracts.

You act as if every other front office in the history of the NBA has a perfect record with each transaction they've made. I still don't view Lee's contract as bad though, just unnecessary. Noah's contract is his only horrible move, IMHO.

And when are we going to learn that hoping a big name FA is going to sign here isn't worth the headache?
Edit: I'm not trying to say cap space isn't important.

So what are you trying to say then?

Big name FA have not wanted to come here because we didn't have a core to offer them. That is why we whiffed in 2010 and every year thereafter.

Kp/Frank/2018 nba draft pick can be FINALLY the core that changes that around. Because we haven't had a player as good as KP since Pat. Yeah sorry Melo/Amare fans.

He is only 22 and already dropping 30/10 games like no ones business.

It is all over the media how players would want to play with KP. Now that we may finally have something we lack cap space. Because of dumb ass.

And I never said that every front office was perfect. But Phil was idiotic in most of his moves except the draft. Just because he hit on two picks with the help of Gaines doesn't make him a good gm.

The thunder GM is a good gm.

But Phil was the only one to challenge Melo head on to be a team player and laid the groundwork for Melo's exit and a new dawn. Melo couldn't Bernard King us into the playoffs.

That Noah and Lee are here is a good thing IMO.
They are both good vets and hold us back from spending. We need high draft picks and in a blessing in disguise we are in that position.

[TankCommander17]

You act as if every other front office in the history of the NBA has a perfect record with each transaction they've made. I still don't view Lee's contract as bad though, just unnecessary. Noah's contract is his only horrible move, IMHO.

And when are we going to learn that hoping a big name FA is going to sign here isn't worth the headache?
Edit: I'm not trying to say cap space isn't important.

So what are you trying to say then?

Big name FA have not wanted to come here because we didn't have a core to offer them. That is why we whiffed in 2010 and every year thereafter.

Kp/Frank/2018 nba draft pick can be FINALLY the core that changes that around. Because we haven't had a player as good as KP since Pat. Yeah sorry Melo/Amare fans.

He is only 22 and already dropping 30/10 games like no ones business.

It is all over the media how players would want to play with KP. Now that we may finally have something we lack cap space. Because of dumb ass.

And I never said that every front office was perfect. But Phil was idiotic in most of his moves except the draft. Just because he hit on two picks with the help of Gaines doesn't make him a good gm.

The thunder GM is a good gm.

But Phil was the only one to challenge Melo head on to be a team player and laid the groundwork for Melo's exit and a new dawn. Melo couldn't Bernard King us into the playoffs.

That Noah and Lee are here is a good thing IMO.
They are both good vets and hold us back from spending. We need high draft picks and in a blessing in disguise we are in that position.

See mods this rationalization right here is ban worthy. This is straight up trolling.

[KnickFan33]

So what are you trying to say then?

Big name FA have not wanted to come here because we didn't have a core to offer them. That is why we whiffed in 2010 and every year thereafter.

Kp/Frank/2018 nba draft pick can be FINALLY the core that changes that around. Because we haven't had a player as good as KP since Pat. Yeah sorry Melo/Amare fans.

He is only 22 and already dropping 30/10 games like no ones business.

It is all over the media how players would want to play with KP. Now that we may finally have something we lack cap space. Because of dumb ass.

And I never said that every front office was perfect. But Phil was idiotic in most of his moves except the draft. Just because he hit on two picks with the help of Gaines doesn't make him a good gm.

The thunder GM is a good gm.

Dude... The original thing I posted is that Phil wasn't as horrible as he's made out to be. Never said he was perfect. Other than Walsh, he's probably the best we've had in the past 2 decades (which isn't really saying much).

Regarding it being all over the media that people want to play with KP... I remember that being said about playing with Melo and playing under D'Antoni. How have those worked out? You can hope all you want for the best case scenario in any situation, but you're just setting yourself up for disappointment.

That was never said about Melo. Not sure where you got that.

It was said about Pringles but like I stated we didn't have a core to offer any top stars in 2010. We were offering David Lee/Gallo as a core.

No top player would be dumb enough to want that. Except Melo.

Really? Nobody said Melo was an awesome teammate on the Olympics? That his teammates love him? That Chris Paul would want to play with him? The banana boat? Were these all figments of my imagination?

And Melo didn't want that, Gallo was given up for him in the trade. Not bashing the trade, just stating what we gave up. We did have a young core that was fun to watch and steadily improving, the same situation that I'm hoping to see now. I'm cautiously optimistic, but it's only been one game.