Official Frank Ntilikina Thread

[Fat Kat]

The question was which player can replace Frank's defensive effectiveness and versatility for a cheaper price tag, no?

Mack and Frazier sure don't fit the bill.

Ahh. I see, but unless Frank’s offense improves, he’s unplayable on a good team. Can’t just isolate his defense, because players that match his offensive ineptitude don’t play in the league for long. If he’s offensively passable, that type of player would be paid like Andre Roberson.

I don't disagree about Frank's offense, but the players listed are also pretty much unplayable on a good team. If Frank can shoot league average from 3, he's easily more valuable than either of them.

Despite his defensive gifts, he’s still overpaid. That’s how bad his offense is. Very Ron Bakerish.

This claim has been made before, but nobody has been able to list a player that is:
- Available
- Extremely effective guarding the 1
- Can effectively switch all the way up to the 4
- Makes less than Frank.

If Frank could shoot league average, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. We can project any traits onto any player in the league if we’d like I suppose. Right now I’d be satisfied with Frank moving from putrid to just bad. Modern basketball favors offense, and players that can participate offensively are always playable. Even the most gifted defenders have to make offensive contributions

The reason you won’t find anyone to fulfill that narrow criteria is because they don’t stay in the league if they can’t shoot. If they do, they get paid. If Frank doesn’t fix his shot, he’ll be out of the league.

[GONYK]

Ahh. I see, but unless Frank’s offense improves, he’s unplayable on a good team. Can’t just isolate his defense, because players that match his offensive ineptitude don’t play in the league for long. If he’s offensively passable, that type of player would be paid like Andre Roberson.

I don't disagree about Frank's offense, but the players listed are also pretty much unplayable on a good team. If Frank can shoot league average from 3, he's easily more valuable than either of them.

Despite his defensive gifts, he’s still overpaid. That’s how bad his offense is. Very Ron Bakerish.

This claim has been made before, but nobody has been able to list a player that is:
- Available
- Extremely effective guarding the 1
- Can effectively switch all the way up to the 4
- Makes less than Frank.

If Frank could shoot league average, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. We can project any traits onto any player in the league if we’d like I suppose. Right now I’d be satisfied with Frank moving from putrid to just bad. Modern basketball favors offense, and players that can participate offensively are always playable. Even the most gifted defenders have to make offensive contributions

The reason you won’t find anyone to fulfill that narrow criteria is because they don’t stay in the league if they can’t shoot. If they do, they get paid. If Frank doesn’t fix his shot, he’ll be out of the league.

Yet, it is much easier to compile a list of players who are good defenders, can't shoot, and are paid more than Frank than vice versa

[Fat Kat]

I don't disagree about Frank's offense, but the players listed are also pretty much unplayable on a good team. If Frank can shoot league average from 3, he's easily more valuable than either of them.




This claim has been made before, but nobody has been able to list a player that is:
- Available
- Extremely effective guarding the 1
- Can effectively switch all the way up to the 4
- Makes less than Frank.

If Frank could shoot league average, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. We can project any traits onto any player in the league if we’d like I suppose. Right now I’d be satisfied with Frank moving from putrid to just bad. Modern basketball favors offense, and players that can participate offensively are always playable. Even the most gifted defenders have to make offensive contributions

The reason you won’t find anyone to fulfill that narrow criteria is because they don’t stay in the league if they can’t shoot. If they do, they get paid. If Frank doesn’t fix his shot, he’ll be out of the league.

Yet, it is much easier to compile a list of players who are good defenders, can't shoot, and are paid more than Frank than vice versa

Because Frank shoots worse than them.

[GONYK]

If Frank could shoot league average, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. We can project any traits onto any player in the league if we’d like I suppose. Right now I’d be satisfied with Frank moving from putrid to just bad. Modern basketball favors offense, and players that can participate offensively are always playable. Even the most gifted defenders have to make offensive contributions

The reason you won’t find anyone to fulfill that narrow criteria is because they don’t stay in the league if they can’t shoot. If they do, they get paid. If Frank doesn’t fix his shot, he’ll be out of the league.

Yet, it is much easier to compile a list of players who are good defenders, can't shoot, and are paid more than Frank than vice versa

Because Frank shoots worse than them.

Not after their 2nd years in the league.

It's a good thing we don't have to pay Frank now, and can have a defender like him cost controlled while he's so young and has time to improve like some of those players did by the time their rookie deals were up.

[Fat Kat]

Yet, it is much easier to compile a list of players who are good defenders, can't shoot, and are paid more than Frank than vice versa

Because Frank shoots worse than them.

Not after their 2nd years in the league.

It's a good thing we don't have to pay Frank now, and can have a defender like him cost controlled while he's so young and has time to improve like some of those players did by the time their rookie deals were up.

Cool, but that’s a different point. Now who are these players you’re referring to?

[Jeff Van Gully]

frank is not this guy

Watch on YouTube

he's more this guy

Watch on YouTube

like i said, not a bad thing necessarily

frank is a better pickpocket than AR, but frank lacks patrick beverley's crazy.

Frank doesn't even have an elite level steal rate tho.

we've seen his talent for poking and taking the ball away.

[GONYK]

Because Frank shoots worse than them.

Not after their 2nd years in the league.

It's a good thing we don't have to pay Frank now, and can have a defender like him cost controlled while he's so young and has time to improve like some of those players did by the time their rookie deals were up.

Cool, but that’s a different point. Now who are these players you’re referring to?

Well, I'm not sure it is a different point. But the point that you can't get a defender of Frank's caliber for cheaper seems to have been conclusively proven, so we can move on.

Off the top of my head in recent memory we have:

- Smart
- Exum
- Roberson
- Jonathan Simmons

We'll probably be adding Rondae Hollis-Jefferson to the list after this offseason and Bembry after him.

[ny-n-md]

This argument is still going on? As much as I would like to see Frank return and perform better, I think he’ll be a victim of the numbers crunch regardless. Too many guards and cap space needed to make a splash. He needed to be more significant this season for me to feel otherwise. He just doesn’t appear to be a part of the new regime’s plans.

[Fat Kat]

Not after their 2nd years in the league.

It's a good thing we don't have to pay Frank now, and can have a defender like him cost controlled while he's so young and has time to improve like some of those players did by the time their rookie deals were up.

Cool, but that’s a different point. Now who are these players you’re referring to?

Well, I'm not sure it is a different point. But the point that you can't get a defender of Frank's caliber for cheaper seems to have been conclusively proven, so we can move on.

Off the top of my head in recent memory we have:

- Smart
- Exum
- Roberson
- Johnathon Simmons

We'll probably be adding Rondae Hollis-Jefferson to the list after this offseason and Bembry after him.

Frank shot 34% from the field which was down from his rookie season. Defender or not, that’s not good enough to warrant playing time. Bottom line. None of the players you listed were that bad.

[GONYK]

Cool, but that’s a different point. Now who are these players you’re referring to?

Well, I'm not sure it is a different point. But the point that you can't get a defender of Frank's caliber for cheaper seems to have been conclusively proven, so we can move on.

Off the top of my head in recent memory we have:

- Smart
- Exum
- Roberson
- Johnathon Simmons

We'll probably be adding Rondae Hollis-Jefferson to the list after this offseason and Bembry after him.

Frank shot 34% from the field which was down from his rookie season. Defender or not, that’s not good enough to warrant playing time. Bottom line. None of the players you listed were that bad.

Marcus Smart shot 35% from the field and 25% from 3 his 2nd season. He averaged 27 MPG for a playoff team.

He shot 36% from the field and 28% from 3 his third season. He averaged 30 MPG for a playoff team.

He shot 37% from the field and 30% from 3 his fourth season. He averaged 30 MPG for a playoff team. The Celtics then paid him $13M/yr.

So, it seems like someone who shoots that poorly does warrant playing time. It also warrants a salary 4x what Frank makes.

Unless you want to try and make the case that Smart shooting 1-3% better from the field and 1-3% worse from 3, depending on the season, is what warranted consistent playing time and $52M.

[2010]

frank is a better pickpocket than AR, but frank lacks patrick beverley's crazy.

Frank doesn't even have an elite level steal rate tho.

we've seen his talent for poking and taking the ball away.

Flashes. It's not consistent. Check the stats.

[god shammgod]

to this day i still can't figure out why frank is such a big topic. if he works out he works out, if he doesn't he doesn't. we got 2 more years to find out. i don't imagine you're getting anything close to a lottery pick for him now in a trade so....what is this all about exactly ? why does this not ever die ?

[Garbagelo]

to this day i still can't figure out why frank is such a big topic. if he works out he works out, if he doesn't he doesn't. we got 2 more years to find out. i don't imagine you're getting anything close to a lottery pick for him now in a trade so....what is this all about exactly ? why does this not ever die ?

Begins with the letter I and ends with the letter Y

[Phish Tank]

to this day i still can't figure out why frank is such a big topic. if he works out he works out, if he doesn't he doesn't. we got 2 more years to find out. i don't imagine you're getting anything close to a lottery pick for him now in a trade so....what is this all about exactly ? why does this not ever die ?

ban everyone

[ny-n-md]

I read through some of the early threads about Frank after we drafted him and he really has been pretty polarizing on here. It’s crazy.

[KNIXFAN_83]

When it comes to Frank I trust Scott Perry so whatever he decides I’m perfectly fine with at this point.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Frank doesn't even have an elite level steal rate tho.

we've seen his talent for poking and taking the ball away.

Flashes. It's not consistent. Check the stats.

nothing has been consistent when it comes to frank, both what he can and can't control.

[jvsimonetti0514]

I really wish Frank had strung together a couple weeks of good games in a row. Honestly I don't even really remember him putting good numbers in back to back games. You'd think he'd get hot from the field at least once this season.

[Buttah304]

Not sure why this thread is still up. Frank doesn’t warrant all this back and forth. Maybe I’m missing something. Maybe I need another tour.

[Galou]

Not sure why this thread is still up. Frank doesn’t warrant all this back and forth. Maybe I’m missing something. Maybe I need another tour.

Word yo

It's over.

Frank will be forgotten just like Jerian Grant.

It's time to move on. The kid don't got the juice

NEXT!!!!!