OT: Democratic Primary Thread

[Pointgod]

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Larry David saying what we all know to be true

[Fat Kat]

[Clyde_Style]

I wish it were witty so I could laugh, but alas it ain't

The problem with this kind of reasoning is anyone who really believes this is venting on the premise that Bernie has a better chance of winning in the general election which the voting public has already informed us is false.

It is one thing to lament the missed opportunity to go into the general election with a standard bearer for progressive issues and I'm inclined to accept those feelings will be booted around for a while longer.

But that regret doesn't alter that Sanders is already losing in the contest he is in and if he can't get the support of the majority of Democratic voters now, then he is not a better bet to win in November. All the drooling jokes and troll posts in the world don't change those numbers.

So the little shaming game in that graphic that basically says, "If you're going to shame me in November, then I'll get a jump on you and start shaming you all back right now" just doesn't cut it with me. It's weak.

[HarthorneWingo]

With the expected economic fallout from the loss of employment along, with the loss of healthcare insurance, compounded by the stress of a pandemic on our healthcare system. How do we go foward with anything but a M4A system? A public option was never the answer for a variety of reasons but most because of all of the people who were tied to bad insurance plans from their employers. I just don't see how a presidential candidate can get in front of the podium and argue for either the status quo or a public option. Besides, all of the sick people will enroll in the government system while all of the healthy people will get the poor plans from their employers but then they'll get screwed like my buddy did when he got laid off after 20 years at a corporation. Then came the money problems. Then he made an incredibly stupid decision when he stopped making his COBRA premiums so save some money. Once the insurance lapse, he came down with pancreatitis. Nine surgeries later, he made out of the woods medically speaking but now he's in the hole for well over $1 million. I'm sure he'll lose his home eventually. I feel bad for his 15 year old daughter.

[HarthorneWingo]

]Snoop Dog has spoken.

[WargamesX]

With the expected economic fallout from the loss of employment along, with the loss of healthcare insurance, compounded by the stress of a pandemic on our healthcare system. How do we go foward with anything but a M4A system? A public option was never the answer for a variety of reasons but most because of all of the people who were tied to bad insurance plans from their employers. I just don't see how a presidential candidate can get in front of the podium and argue for either the status quo or a public option. Besides, all of the sick people will enroll in the government system while all of the healthy people will get the poor plans from their employers but then they'll get screwed like my buddy did when he got laid off after 20 years at a corporation. Then came the money problems. Then he made an incredibly stupid decision when he stopped making his COBRA premiums so save some money. Once the insurance lapse, he came down with pancreatitis. Nine surgeries later, he made out of the woods medically speaking but now he's in the hole for well over $1 million. I'm sure he'll lose his home eventually. I feel bad for his 15 year old daughter.

After this is over both M4A and UBI will be much more mainstream ideas. The future is now and it is a scary place that needs bold solutions.

[Clyde_Style]

With the expected economic fallout from the loss of employment along, with the loss of healthcare insurance, compounded by the stress of a pandemic on our healthcare system. How do we go foward with anything but a M4A system? A public option was never the answer for a variety of reasons but most because of all of the people who were tied to bad insurance plans from their employers. I just don't see how a presidential candidate can get in front of the podium and argue for either the status quo or a public option. Besides, all of the sick people will enroll in the government system while all of the healthy people will get the poor plans from their employers but then they'll get screwed like my buddy did when he got laid off after 20 years at a corporation. Then came the money problems. Then he made an incredibly stupid decision when he stopped making his COBRA premiums so save some money. Once the insurance lapse, he came down with pancreatitis. Nine surgeries later, he made out of the woods medically speaking but now he's in the hole for well over $1 million. I'm sure he'll lose his home eventually. I feel bad for his 15 year old daughter.

After this is over both M4A and UBI will be much more mainstream ideas. The future is now and it is a scary place that needs bold solutions.

I'd think this crisis would make picking Warren as his VP a more mainstream choice now. Fingers crossed, because she would make it happen even if she has to wait a little to take the wheel

[duetta]

If the ranks of the unemployed become pronounced, M4A certainly becomes much more of an option.

The issue was always getting a high enough percentage of the American people to be willing to take the risk of parting with their private insurance, which currently is a component of most people's compensation (with no guarantee that their employers would compensate them for the loss). But with the GOP still pushing their suicidal effort to gut the ACA, coupled to the likelihood that we might be looking at upwards of 20-25% of unemployment, and as much of 40% of the country without insurance (thanks to the collapse of the ACA and the gig economy), the feasibility of M4A becomes exponentially greater.

As Winston Churchill reminded us, the American people always do the right thing - but only after exhausting every other possibility.

[HarthorneWingo]

Medicare for All v. Public Option. Establishment Democrat and Hillary Clinton/Joe Biden supporter gets her facts wrong.

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[Pointgod]

So there’s a pandemic raging, people are dying and scared. Governors are scrambling for supplies and somehow on Trump’s list of priorities, firing the IG who handles the Ukraine whistleblower complaint is high up there. Yet there are people who have deluded themselves into believing that there would be little difference between Biden and Trump.

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[Clyde_Style]

So there’s a pandemic raging, people are dying and scared. Governors are scrambling for supplies and somehow on Trump’s list of priorities, firing the IG who handles the Ukraine whistleblower complaint is high up there. Yet there are people who have deluded themselves into believing that there would be little difference between Biden and Trump.

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There is a massive difference between any Democrat in the WH and Trump.

Trump's cabinet has lists of people to purge from every department they head.

Trump Has a “Hit List” of Insufficiently Devoted Employees to Eliminate

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/02/donald-trump-government-hit-list

All prior administrations of either party depended on non-partisan seasoned civil servants. Trump has been purging every part of the government since he came to power. Now, many agencies are being run by incompetent Trump loyalists after purging the experts who were not boot licking toadies.

Anybody who says there would be no difference between Biden and Trump is clearly an idiot.

[Clyde_Style]

My next door neighbor who immigrated from St. Lucia two decades ago has never registered to vote in their life. They had no opinion about Trump until now.

Today he was saying Trump is clearly insane and he blames Trump for the way this is being handled.

He's not going to vote so his change won't impact the vote, but I think it is indicative of public opinion when apolitical people start to develop strong opinions for the first time in their lives.

He hates Trump now after having no opinion either way as recently as a month ago. And this is a guy who still has jobs lined up so he is not making pocketbook comments.

[HarthorneWingo]

The wussie establishment Democrats got taken to the cleaners on the first stimulus bill. One one-time $1,200 payment. What a joke. This is the time for big change, not incrementalism. The corporate welfare here is astounding.

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[Clyde_Style]

Biden is doing a live Q&A right now

https://joebiden.com/Live/

He's doing fine

[Knickfan1982]

With the expected economic fallout from the loss of employment along, with the loss of healthcare insurance, compounded by the stress of a pandemic on our healthcare system. How do we go foward with anything but a M4A system? A public option was never the answer for a variety of reasons but most because of all of the people who were tied to bad insurance plans from their employers. I just don't see how a presidential candidate can get in front of the podium and argue for either the status quo or a public option. Besides, all of the sick people will enroll in the government system while all of the healthy people will get the poor plans from their employers but then they'll get screwed like my buddy did when he got laid off after 20 years at a corporation. Then came the money problems. Then he made an incredibly stupid decision when he stopped making his COBRA premiums so save some money. Once the insurance lapse, he came down with pancreatitis. Nine surgeries later, he made out of the woods medically speaking but now he's in the hole for well over $1 million. I'm sure he'll lose his home eventually. I feel bad for his 15 year old daughter.

Its just so frustrating that what your friend is going through is a perfect example of why we need socialized medicine. He got screwed over trying to save money on health insurance because he had money problems and needed to cut costs. Then he got sick and the bill will likely cost him his home. Is a system where people have to play Russian Roulette with health and home to try and save money on insurance really the best way to do things? I don't think so. Its a shame too large a percentage of the American Sheeple disagree.

[Knickfan1982]

My next door neighbor who immigrated from St. Lucia two decades ago has never registered to vote in their life. They had no opinion about Trump until now.

Today he was saying Trump is clearly insane and he blames Trump for the way this is being handled.

He's not going to vote so his change won't impact the vote, but I think it is indicative of public opinion when apolitical people start to develop strong opinions for the first time in their lives.

He hates Trump now after having no opinion either way as recently as a month ago. And this is a guy who still has jobs lined up so he is not making pocketbook comments.

That's my one hope for the future of this country. My brother never really talked politics before but he loathes Trump with every fiber of his being. If this sentiment grows amongst the more politically passive amongst us we win in November.

[Clyde_Style]

My next door neighbor who immigrated from St. Lucia two decades ago has never registered to vote in their life. They had no opinion about Trump until now.

Today he was saying Trump is clearly insane and he blames Trump for the way this is being handled.

He's not going to vote so his change won't impact the vote, but I think it is indicative of public opinion when apolitical people start to develop strong opinions for the first time in their lives.

He hates Trump now after having no opinion either way as recently as a month ago. And this is a guy who still has jobs lined up so he is not making pocketbook comments.

That's my one hope for the future of this country. My brother never really talked politics before but he loathes Trump with every fiber of his being. If this sentiment grows amongst the more politically passive amongst us we win in November.

In extreme circumstances the surface gets scratched raw and it awakens a new awareness in some people. Not all, but some people who were previously detached from any political concerns realize that things they actually care about preserving are at stake. So I think you're right, some of those people will step up and vote, some for the first time. And in 2020, those new voters won't be coming out for Trump. He already harvested his latent base.

I also think this is good to keep in mind for Sanders supporters. I understand the sentiment that being anti-Trump is not the same as being for something positive, but it is both really. You have to beat Trump to have the foundation for pushing for change and now that things have turned bleak NOW it should become pretty clear that the case I was making for survival has already arrived.

The difference is we didn't have to wait for Trump's second term to experience devastation. We really have no choice but to boot these bastards out to save our skins, not just our democracy.

And due to these circumstances, the hunger for real change is going to be huge. I'd like to think we'll see big marches for left issues after we get our vaccinations (which I think will happen in less than a year). I think the people can force any Democratic administration in 2021 to the left with a strong show of force early in the new administration. This is a new era (if we don't blow it).

[HarthorneWingo]

With the expected economic fallout from the loss of employment along, with the loss of healthcare insurance, compounded by the stress of a pandemic on our healthcare system. How do we go foward with anything but a M4A system? A public option was never the answer for a variety of reasons but most because of all of the people who were tied to bad insurance plans from their employers. I just don't see how a presidential candidate can get in front of the podium and argue for either the status quo or a public option. Besides, all of the sick people will enroll in the government system while all of the healthy people will get the poor plans from their employers but then they'll get screwed like my buddy did when he got laid off after 20 years at a corporation. Then came the money problems. Then he made an incredibly stupid decision when he stopped making his COBRA premiums so save some money. Once the insurance lapse, he came down with pancreatitis. Nine surgeries later, he made out of the woods medically speaking but now he's in the hole for well over $1 million. I'm sure he'll lose his home eventually. I feel bad for his 15 year old daughter.

Its just so frustrating that what your friend is going through is a perfect example of why we need socialized medicine. He got screwed over trying to save money on health insurance because he had money problems and needed to cut costs. Then he got sick and the bill will likely cost him his home. Is a system where people have to play Russian Roulette with health and home to try and save money on insurance really the best way to do things? I don't think so. Its a shame too large a percentage of the American Sheeple disagree.

Perfect example is correct! I'll add a little spice to the story. For about a year a little after Trump took office, he and I had a little falling out because he was making light of people who were being put in precarious economic and physical/mental situations because Trump was talking about cutting Medicaid. He's a staunch conservative/republican, just like his dad was. We only began talking again after I found out about his pancreatitis through his cousin, with whom I was also long time friends with. I could never believe that he could be so dumb to put his family in this situation. Especially since he put himself up against the wall financially when he and he new second wife went overboard on their new home in Charlotte after the company moved there from Long Island.

This is how these situations play themselves out. Almost every fact pattern is different but with the same end result. No one is immune from it because people will ultimately become the victims of either their own poor choices compounded by circumstances which are out of their control and were not foreseen for whatever reasons.

[Clyde_Style]

Greetings from the armpit of America!

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Interesting to watch. These guys are affiliated with RT so they have some suspect connections, but that seems all too common among alternative left-leaning media initiatives today unfortunately. Regardless, their take seems accurate.

[Fat Kat]

With the expected economic fallout from the loss of employment along, with the loss of healthcare insurance, compounded by the stress of a pandemic on our healthcare system. How do we go foward with anything but a M4A system? A public option was never the answer for a variety of reasons but most because of all of the people who were tied to bad insurance plans from their employers. I just don't see how a presidential candidate can get in front of the podium and argue for either the status quo or a public option. Besides, all of the sick people will enroll in the government system while all of the healthy people will get the poor plans from their employers but then they'll get screwed like my buddy did when he got laid off after 20 years at a corporation. Then came the money problems. Then he made an incredibly stupid decision when he stopped making his COBRA premiums so save some money. Once the insurance lapse, he came down with pancreatitis. Nine surgeries later, he made out of the woods medically speaking but now he's in the hole for well over $1 million. I'm sure he'll lose his home eventually. I feel bad for his 15 year old daughter.

Its just so frustrating that what your friend is going through is a perfect example of why we need socialized medicine. He got screwed over trying to save money on health insurance because he had money problems and needed to cut costs. Then he got sick and the bill will likely cost him his home. Is a system where people have to play Russian Roulette with health and home to try and save money on insurance really the best way to do things? I don't think so. Its a shame too large a percentage of the American Sheeple disagree.

Perfect example is correct! I'll add a little spice to the story. For about a year a little after Trump took office, he and I had a little falling out because he was making light of people who were being put in precarious economic and physical/mental situations because Trump was talking about cutting Medicaid. He's a staunch conservative/republican, just like his dad was. We only began talking again after I found out about his pancreatitis through his cousin, with whom I was also long time friends with. I could never believe that he could be so dumb to put his family in this situation. Especially since he put himself up against the wall financially when he and he new second wife went overboard on their new home in Charlotte after the company moved there from Long Island.

This is how these situations play themselves out. Almost every fact pattern is different but with the same end result. No one is immune from it because people will ultimately become the victims of either their own poor choices compounded by circumstances which are out of their control and were not foreseen for whatever reasons.

There’s a cult of ignorance in this country Wingo. Always some form of the southern strategy in Republican politics. Most of Trump’s supporters are simply racist. He has no other connection with most of them. That’s the appeal, and there’s no need to over complicate these things. The question is, why is it so hard for folks to come to grips with this.