Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition

[Zenzibar]

I'm rewatching 2017 NBA Draft... holllyyyyy shhhhittt Boston offered us #3 (Jayson Tatum), Jaylen Brown + more 2017 1st rd pick for KP but Phil wanted more.

Obviously Phil was just threatening KP... but dammmnnn man what did we get, Randle?

Have no idea where Phil wanted more came from but I can almost guarentee that Dolan said no due to the fanbase's possible reaction. Phil wanting to do that deal actually was the last straw and cost him his job.

[Zenzibar]

Other clubs making power moves with Chalmers and Galloway and we’re stuck in mud

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[Zenzibar]

I'm rewatching 2017 NBA Draft... holllyyyyy shhhhittt Boston offered us #3 (Jayson Tatum), Jaylen Brown + more 2017 1st rd pick for KP but Phil wanted more.

Obviously Phil was just threatening KP... but dammmnnn man what did we get, Randle?

Boston never made that offer.

https://nesn.com/2019/11/nba-rumors-heres-celtics-offer-to-knicks-for-kristaps-porzingis-at-2017-draft/

“The Celtics offered a trove of assets, including Jaylen Brown, in a scenario under which the Knicks could move up and select future Bulls forward Lauri Markkanen, but again Jackson held back,” Berman wrote. “Some in the league believe Jackson didn?t make the trade on orders from owner James Dolan. Who would?ve thought then it would turn into one of Jackson?s and Dolan?s worst miscalculations?”

The Celtics, you may recall, won the 2017 draft lottery and secured the No. 1 overall pick. They then traded that pick to Philadelphia, ending up with the No. 3 pick which they used to draft Jayson Tatum. It’s unclear from the Post report how or when the Knicks would have moved up, but that reporting sure makes it sound like the Celtics’ top pick was on the table in the deal. It’s also unknown whether Boston would have received New York’s first-round pick, No. 7, which the Knicks used to draft French guard Frank Ntilikina.

[knickstape4ever]

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-price-porzingis-high-celtics-article-1.3269298

According to a Knicks source, Jackson is asking for the third overall pick in Thursday's draft as well as next year's Brooklyn pick along with the Celtics' 2016 first-round pick Jaylen Brown (3rd overall) and Jae Crowder. This version of the deal would not include Boston taking on Joakim Noah's contract.

The Celtics feel the price is far too high but they are open to tweaking the deal to include just one draft pick, either this year's No. 3 or next year's Brooklyn pick.

The deal would've been #3, Brown, and Crowder.

and if that were the case, we'd probably have drafted Fox. Despite reports of Phil loving Josh Jackson, PG was the bigger need, and we would've already gotten 2 wings in Brown and Crowder

....at least I would've taken Fox in that scenario. he man-handled Lonzo in both their college matchups

this screams Dolan nixing the deal b/c of perception. there were reports that Phil wasn't sold on KP b/c of his size/frame

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[Jalen Bluntson]

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-price-porzingis-high-celtics-article-1.3269298

According to a Knicks source, Jackson is asking for the third overall pick in Thursday's draft as well as next year's Brooklyn pick along with the Celtics' 2016 first-round pick Jaylen Brown (3rd overall) and Jae Crowder. This version of the deal would not include Boston taking on Joakim Noah's contract.

The Celtics feel the price is far too high but they are open to tweaking the deal to include just one draft pick, either this year's No. 3 or next year's Brooklyn pick.

The deal would've been #3, Brown, and Crowder.

and if that were the case, we'd probably have drafted Fox. Despite reports of Phil loving Josh Jackson, PG was the bigger need, and we would've already gotten 2 wings in Brown and Crowder

....at least I would've taken Fox in that scenario. he man-handled Lonzo in both their college matchups

this screams Dolan nixing the deal b/c of perception. there were reports that Phil wasn't sold on KP b/c of his size/frame

The Daily Troll and according to a sauce? Nonsense. Might as well quote Berman while you're at it. I recall reading articles saying that deal was never made.

[thebuzzardman]

Fournier and a 2nd rounder for Eric Gordon

Kemba, Noel, Knox, 1st rounder, 2nd rounder for Turner

These are mostly serious suggestions, though I doubt Turner gets dealt to the Knicks and not for that little.

Big unrealistic fantasy time:

February:
Randle, Rose , two 1st round picks, (Mavs, Knicks 2024 #1) for Simmons, whatever Philly needs to dump coming back.

[Richard4444]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265075/Knicks-Interested-In-Trading-For-Eric-Gordon

[thebuzzardman]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265075/Knicks-Interested-In-Trading-For-Eric-Gordon

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/houston-rockets/eric-gordon-6116/

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/evan-fournier-10845/

It's going to cost some picks. I didn't realize Fournier has a full extra year over Gordon.

What's the cost for the Knicks of shedding 1 year of 18 million, and what is the cost for the Rockets of taking it on?

Rockets are rebuilding. Then again, no team wants an extra year of a player that isn't that good, as in that 3rd season, maybe Rockets hope to not completely suck. I'd think it's going to take them 3 years to be good. So, they'll want some compensation for exchanging not so important players that take up space.

IF the Rockets are committed to the rebuild, maybe if the Knicks offer 2 2nd rounders, at least of which is in the 2023 draft, maybe they do it.

[Richard4444]

Fournier and a 2nd rounder for Eric Gordon

Kemba, Noel, Knox, 1st rounder, 2nd rounder for Turner

These are mostly serious suggestions, though I doubt Turner gets dealt to the Knicks and not for that little.

Big unrealistic fantasy time:

February:
Randle, Rose , two 1st round picks, (Mavs, Knicks 2024 #1) for Simmons, whatever Philly needs to dump coming back.

I don't know why Houston would take a longer contract and more money in Evan contract only for a Second Round. Maybe an Evan + Knox + 2SRPs for Gordon.

I think it would be more probable a Knox + Kemba + 1 or 2 SRP for Gordon. (I want to believe our FO would not give a FRP or a good young player for Gordon) The downside is it would burry the rookies into the bench.
Gordon/Rose/Deuce
Evan/IQ
RJ/Burks/Grimes
Randle/Obi
Noel/Mitch

[thebuzzardman]

Fournier and a 2nd rounder for Eric Gordon

Kemba, Noel, Knox, 1st rounder, 2nd rounder for Turner

These are mostly serious suggestions, though I doubt Turner gets dealt to the Knicks and not for that little.

Big unrealistic fantasy time:

February:
Randle, Rose , two 1st round picks, (Mavs, Knicks 2024 #1) for Simmons, whatever Philly needs to dump coming back.

I don't know why Houston would take a longer contract and more money in Evan contract only for a Second Round. Maybe an Evan + Knox + 2SRPs for Gordon.

I think it would be more probable a Knox + Kemba + 1 or 2 SRP for Gordon. (I want to believe our FO would not give a FRP or a good young player for Gordon) The downside is it would burry the rookies into the bench.
Gordon/Rose/Deuce
Evan/IQ
RJ/Burks/Grimes
Randle/Obi
Noel/Mitch

I didn't suggest a 1st round pick for Gordon. I did for Turner, and it will absolutely take at least one to get him. Hopefully only one, and the Knicks DO get him.

Gordon, I was hoping it was just one 2nd rounder, but I saw the 18 million and figured it's got to be at least 2, if Fournier was going out.

You are probably right that it would be Kemba, Knox and some 2nd rounders - 1 or 2, but then it's back to burying the youth as Gordon would accomplish burying at least 2 out of the 3, probably Grimes and IQ, as McBride might get that backup PG time.

If getting Gordon doesn't involve trading Fournier, then even if it would improve the team a little, I'm not into the idea and hopefully neither are the Knicks.

[BBALLER4FR]

Unless it involves including Fournier the Knicks would be insane to even consider it. Even then...even then... this is an awful idea. It essentially ensures Grimes won't be a Knick with both Gordon and Kemba slotted at SG. Rose and Quickly would be PG's. INSANE because with those 4 you could also be ensuring McBride gets traded. All for what? Someone Randle can play the 2 man game with? Thibs is actually committed to building around Randle's stats than team continuity. Every player on the roster appears to be a scrap getter or a trade piece to Randle. It's mind blowing how awful NY elite brains with no knowledge of bball can be!

[Richard4444]

Unless it involves including Fournier the Knicks would be insane to even consider it. Even then...even then... this is an awful idea. It essentially ensures Grimes won't be a Knick with both Gordon and Kemba slotted at SG. Rose and Quickly would be PG's. INSANE because with those 4 you could also be ensuring McBride gets traded. All for what? Someone Randle can play the 2 man game with? Thibs is actually committed to building around Randle's stats than team continuity. Every player on the roster appears to be a scrap getter or a trade piece to Randle. It's mind blowing how awful NY elite brains with no knowledge of bball can be!

Yes. If we get Gordon for Kemba, we would have Rose/Gordon/Evan/RJ/Burks getting almost all of the 1,2 and 3 minutes when healthy. Maybe IQ can get some minutes here or there. Grimes and Deuce would be replacements players in case of injury.

I hope they wait until the end of January to pull the trigger. By then, I hope IQ, Grimes and Deuce are playing well and forces the Front Office to give up on the trade. Or at least getting rid of Evan or even Burks to ensure playing time to the youth. Also, at the end of January, we could be so distant from the playoffs, they just give up on the season and sell vets.

[thebuzzardman]

Unless it involves including Fournier the Knicks would be insane to even consider it. Even then...even then... this is an awful idea. It essentially ensures Grimes won't be a Knick with both Gordon and Kemba slotted at SG. Rose and Quickly would be PG's. INSANE because with those 4 you could also be ensuring McBride gets traded. All for what? Someone Randle can play the 2 man game with? Thibs is actually committed to building around Randle's stats than team continuity. Every player on the roster appears to be a scrap getter or a trade piece to Randle. It's mind blowing how awful NY elite brains with no knowledge of bball can be!

Yes. If we get Gordon for Kemba, we would have Rose/Gordon/Evan/RJ/Burks getting almost all of the 1,2 and 3 minutes when healthy. Maybe IQ can get some minutes here or there. Grimes and Deuce would be replacements players in case of injury.

I hope they wait until the end of January to pull the trigger. By then, I hope IQ, Grimes and Deuce are playing well and forces the Front Office to give up on the trade. Or at least getting rid of Evan or even Burks to unsure youth playing time. Also, at the end of January, we could be so distant from the playoffs, they just give up on the season and sell vets.

That's why the hope is that Kemba goes out in one deal, and the other deal is to replace Fournier with Gordon.


Otherwise, don't bother.

[BBALLER4FR]

I'm not even worried about Kemba. He's done in NY. Rose went down, Burks hasn't worked, IQ's less than ideal and Kemba still didn't take off the warmup (thank goodness cause we needed to see McBride). Thibs let you know he doesn't want to see Kemba on the floor for whatever reason. And anyone who says it's because of his defense, make it make sense why Fournier gets the minutes he gets. Neither play defense but I trust Kemba's shooting FAR more than Evan's.

[thebuzzardman]

I'm not even worried about Kemba. He's done in NY. Rose went down, Burks hasn't worked, IQ's less than ideal and Kemba still didn't take off the warmup (thank goodness cause we needed to see McBride). Thibs let you know he doesn't want to see Kemba on the floor for whatever reason. And anyone who says it's because of his defense, make it make sense why Fournier gets the minutes he gets. Neither play defense but I trust Kemba's shooting FAR more than Evan's.

I'll take a shot at unpacking this. I have no idea btw.

There are various factions in the Knicks FO, and Thibs is a faction himself. Thibs might have been ok with Fournier but not with Walker. It's possible he's not wild about either.
In any event, the amount of money Kemba makes made it easy to bench him, while with Friar Suck, it's harder to justify.
Thibs has had his FO run ins over the years and probably learned a thing or three.
He knows he has to win.
He also knows he has to make a case for why some players aren't good.
Thibs figured maybe he could bench Kemba and team would get better, but if he had an inkling it wouldn't work, that maybe it would spotlight Fournier.
Maybe he thought that Fournier and Kemba and Randle too many lackluster defenders and tried removing just one.

I think Thibs kind of knows what the issues are and makes changes incrementally, trying to fix the issue with the smallest changes possible just for himself, but also because of FO dynamics.

I have no idea what the alliances are or how they shift.

[Marty McFly]

bring Gordon on home. he's the last piece in our chip winning puzzle.

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks should stand pat. Team is awesome.

[spree2kawhi]

Fournier and a 2nd rounder for Eric Gordon

Kemba, Noel, Knox, 1st rounder, 2nd rounder for Turner

These are mostly serious suggestions, though I doubt Turner gets dealt to the Knicks and not for that little.

Big unrealistic fantasy time:

February:
Randle, Rose , two 1st round picks, (Mavs, Knicks 2024 #1) for Simmons, whatever Philly needs to dump coming back.

You don’t seem to understand the logic behind all that. We really want to collect players like Fournier and Gordon. RJ must go in that deal. We probably add Griffin too, he must have something left in the tank and I believe he was used improperly in Brooklyn. Give them Obi for griffin.

Walker / Howard Eisley
Gordon
Fournier / Shandon Anderson
Clarence Weatherspoon
Blake Griffin

What could possibly go wrong?

[spree2kawhi]

Fournier and a 2nd rounder for Eric Gordon

Kemba, Noel, Knox, 1st rounder, 2nd rounder for Turner

These are mostly serious suggestions, though I doubt Turner gets dealt to the Knicks and not for that little.

Big unrealistic fantasy time:

February:
Randle, Rose , two 1st round picks, (Mavs, Knicks 2024 #1) for Simmons, whatever Philly needs to dump coming back.

I don't know why Houston would take a longer contract and more money in Evan contract only for a Second Round. Maybe an Evan + Knox + 2SRPs for Gordon.

I think it would be more probable a Knox + Kemba + 1 or 2 SRP for Gordon. (I want to believe our FO would not give a FRP or a good young player for Gordon) The downside is it would burry the rookies into the bench.
Gordon/Rose/Deuce
Evan/IQ
RJ/Burks/Grimes
Randle/Obi
Noel/Mitch

Might as well start Mitch at PG.

Okay folks, this is it. The Knicks do nothing for me anymore. This is the purest sht. I don’t know what’s left that would be interesting about the New York Knicks.