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OT: Clinton or Bush?

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President?

Harris
8
29%
Trump
6
21%
RFK
3
11%
The Rock
1
4%
Mark Cuban
0
No votes
David Guetta Ft. Mark Ronson
0
No votes
Michelle Obama
4
14%
Ron Desantis
1
4%
Rik Smits
5
18%
 
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#621 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Sep 29, 2024 3:32 pm

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Man this guy is such a pervert


They need to check the Melania side of the display for semen stains.

Well, probably both sides. He's kind of freaky.


Oh yeah. He probably had himself a good old time with both of those cardboard cutouts

"I love watching [transgender] porn! That’s f*cking hot! It takes the man out while leaving the man in!"

Between Don the Rapist, JD the Couch C*mmer and Mark the Peeper, the GOP is running a hell of a line up these days. They should call Dennis Hastert out of retirement (or is he still in prison?) so they can cover all the bases.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#622 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Sep 29, 2024 3:48 pm

Jalen Bluntson wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
DOT wrote:https://www.crossroadstoday.com/news/politics/national-politics/fact-check-to-attack-harris-trump-falsely-describes-new-stats-on-immigrants-and-homicide/article_60bd3382-1e53-5232-b188-7bc315abc1fc.html

A note, just so you're clear on this:



Spoiler:


So in short, this is not a list of illegal immigrants who committed crimes, this is a list of all migrants who have committed crimes. We don't keep a super close eye on this list, but it has been around for decades and it has not significantly increased in the last 4 years. Furthermore, just because someone is a convicted criminal does not mean ICE can or should be the ones detaining them, they are given over to the police. Some of these people have already served their time, some are currently doing so

And finally, the big issue here is that in order to deport, we need somewhere to deport to. If their country won't accept them back, we can't just dump them somewhere, and that has been the big issue basically for ever, even under Trump

So this is at best misleading, and at worst actively deceitful and xenophobic. Because if you aren't paying attention (which you weren't because you presumed good faith), it's presented as there are 700,000 illegal immigrants who have committed violent crimes that are just walking free with no consequences. This is just flat out not true.


You beat me to it. well said

Also, what is it, 8% of the people on this list out of 7 million people?

Honestly, you're more likely to have a violent encounter with a natural born american citizen toting a firearm than you are some migrants wanting to come here to escape horrific conditions in central and south america. Migrants aren't killing American children at all time highs, it's other Americans.

That being said, i find the concerns surrounding immigrant criminality laughable coming from people who have loudly and proudly proclaimed that they are voting for a convicted felon and rapist.


Crossing the border illegally is a crime for one thing. Committing rapes/murders etc should immediately exclude your rights to being here even if you served time. If there's nowhere to send you, too bad for you. There's levels to this obviously but, where is the line drawn? It's not crazy to see why people have issues with this.

The political games played are a big problem too. Instead of packing the supreme court... perhaps Donald should have appointed more judges etc to handle the backlogs of applications for asylum.

The Democrats shouldn't be against building a wall/securing the border as much as they seem to have been either Neither side makes any sense of the problem.

It's like they don't even know how to solve the problems so they toss the hot potato back and forth. Dividing the country over a problem they never seem to come close to solving.


Wanting to vet people who come here seeking asylum, which is like a legal act, let's keep that in mind, is fine. I don't think anyone is calling for just letting anyone in without going through the proper process, or that we should allow violent criminals in other countries to run around with impunity.

However, Biden and the Democrats were ready to pass a comprehensive immigration bill that would have locked the border down among other things and the House Republicans were instructed by Trump, a private citizen, to deep six the legislation, and they did it. And based on the fact that people are still pointing at Democrats over this says to me that Trump's plan worked to perfection.

There is one side that continues to scream about immigration but hamper any attempts to do something about it. That's why it's frustrating when people invoke "both sides" on this. The GOP continues to stall and break everything, and somehow the blame gets shared.

Want actual immigration reform and security? Want something to actually get done? Americans need to stop voting for Republicans who only care about immigration to stoke racism.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#623 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sun Sep 29, 2024 4:06 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
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MrDollarBills wrote:
You beat me to it. well said

Also, what is it, 8% of the people on this list out of 7 million people?

Honestly, you're more likely to have a violent encounter with a natural born american citizen toting a firearm than you are some migrants wanting to come here to escape horrific conditions in central and south america. Migrants aren't killing American children at all time highs, it's other Americans.

That being said, i find the concerns surrounding immigrant criminality laughable coming from people who have loudly and proudly proclaimed that they are voting for a convicted felon and rapist.


Crossing the border illegally is a crime for one thing. Committing rapes/murders etc should immediately exclude your rights to being here even if you served time. If there's nowhere to send you, too bad for you. There's levels to this obviously but, where is the line drawn? It's not crazy to see why people have issues with this.

The political games played are a big problem too. Instead of packing the supreme court... perhaps Donald should have appointed more judges etc to handle the backlogs of applications for asylum.

The Democrats shouldn't be against building a wall/securing the border as much as they seem to have been either Neither side makes any sense of the problem.

It's like they don't even know how to solve the problems so they toss the hot potato back and forth. Dividing the country over a problem they never seem to come close to solving.


Wanting to vet people who come here seeking asylum, which is like a legal act, let's keep that in mind, is fine. I don't think anyone is calling for just letting anyone in without going through the proper process, or that we should allow violent criminals in other country to run around with impunity.

However, Biden and the Democrats were ready to pass a comprehensive immigration bill that would have locked the border down among other things and the House Republicans were instructed by Trump, a private citizen, to deep six the legislation did it. And based on the fact that people are still pointing at Democrats over this says to me that Trump's plan worked to perfection.

There is one side that continues to scream about immigration but hamper any attempts to do something about it. That's why it's maddening when people invoke "both sides" on this. The GOP continues to stall and break everything and somehow the blame gets shared.


I'm talking about criminals caught here and being released here. Real criminals. Not jaywalkers. That's insanity. That's what pisses people off.

That bill was only recently. What about the previous 3 years? It's absolutely both sides. It's been both sides for generations bro. We really haven't figured this out after how many years? Let's be honest here.

Also, I'm not talking about the politicians or their opinions or actions entirely. People are not happy. IDC who's to blame for the problem. No one is fixing it. This time Trump has his hands dirty but, what was the problem the previous years/decades? Trump didn't cause these issues. No one fixes it. Ever. If that bill is really the solution, then hopefully Harris wins and can get it passed. Not sure what that bill does to address the hard core criminals that are already here though or any that come through legally or illegally. Which is something most people care about anyway.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#624 » by spree8 » Sun Sep 29, 2024 5:00 pm

Jalen Bluntson wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Jalen Bluntson wrote:
Crossing the border illegally is a crime for one thing. Committing rapes/murders etc should immediately exclude your rights to being here even if you served time. If there's nowhere to send you, too bad for you. There's levels to this obviously but, where is the line drawn? It's not crazy to see why people have issues with this.

The political games played are a big problem too. Instead of packing the supreme court... perhaps Donald should have appointed more judges etc to handle the backlogs of applications for asylum.

The Democrats shouldn't be against building a wall/securing the border as much as they seem to have been either Neither side makes any sense of the problem.

It's like they don't even know how to solve the problems so they toss the hot potato back and forth. Dividing the country over a problem they never seem to come close to solving.


Wanting to vet people who come here seeking asylum, which is like a legal act, let's keep that in mind, is fine. I don't think anyone is calling for just letting anyone in without going through the proper process, or that we should allow violent criminals in other country to run around with impunity.

However, Biden and the Democrats were ready to pass a comprehensive immigration bill that would have locked the border down among other things and the House Republicans were instructed by Trump, a private citizen, to deep six the legislation did it. And based on the fact that people are still pointing at Democrats over this says to me that Trump's plan worked to perfection.

There is one side that continues to scream about immigration but hamper any attempts to do something about it. That's why it's maddening when people invoke "both sides" on this. The GOP continues to stall and break everything and somehow the blame gets shared.


I'm talking about criminals caught here and being released here. Real criminals. Not jaywalkers. That's insanity. That's what pisses people off.

That bill was only recently. What about the previous 3 years? It's absolutely both sides. It's been both sides for generations bro. We really haven't figured this out after how many years? Let's be honest here.

Also, I'm not talking about the politicians or their opinions or actions entirely. People are not happy. IDC who's to blame for the problem. No one is fixing it. This time Trump has his hands dirty but, what was the problem the previous years/decades? Trump didn't cause these issues. No one fixes it. Ever. If that bill is really the solution, then hopefully Harris wins and can get it passed. Not sure what that bill does to address the hard core criminals that are already here though or any that come through legally or illegally. Which is something most people care about anyway.


You can get a good sense of the border issue within the first 10 minutes if you don’t wanna watch the whole thing (everyone should tho). Maybe a possible reason…

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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#625 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:26 pm

Jalen Bluntson wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Jalen Bluntson wrote:
Crossing the border illegally is a crime for one thing. Committing rapes/murders etc should immediately exclude your rights to being here even if you served time. If there's nowhere to send you, too bad for you. There's levels to this obviously but, where is the line drawn? It's not crazy to see why people have issues with this.

The political games played are a big problem too. Instead of packing the supreme court... perhaps Donald should have appointed more judges etc to handle the backlogs of applications for asylum.

The Democrats shouldn't be against building a wall/securing the border as much as they seem to have been either Neither side makes any sense of the problem.

It's like they don't even know how to solve the problems so they toss the hot potato back and forth. Dividing the country over a problem they never seem to come close to solving.


Wanting to vet people who come here seeking asylum, which is like a legal act, let's keep that in mind, is fine. I don't think anyone is calling for just letting anyone in without going through the proper process, or that we should allow violent criminals in other country to run around with impunity.

However, Biden and the Democrats were ready to pass a comprehensive immigration bill that would have locked the border down among other things and the House Republicans were instructed by Trump, a private citizen, to deep six the legislation did it. And based on the fact that people are still pointing at Democrats over this says to me that Trump's plan worked to perfection.

There is one side that continues to scream about immigration but hamper any attempts to do something about it. That's why it's maddening when people invoke "both sides" on this. The GOP continues to stall and break everything and somehow the blame gets shared.


I'm talking about criminals caught here and being released here. Real criminals. Not jaywalkers. That's insanity. That's what pisses people off.

That bill was only recently. What about the previous 3 years? It's absolutely both sides. It's been both sides for generations bro. We really haven't figured this out after how many years? Let's be honest here.

Also, I'm not talking about the politicians or their opinions or actions entirely. People are not happy. IDC who's to blame for the problem. No one is fixing it. This time Trump has his hands dirty but, what was the problem the previous years/decades? Trump didn't cause these issues. No one fixes it. Ever. If that bill is really the solution, then hopefully Harris wins and can get it passed. Not sure what that bill does to address the hard core criminals that are already here though or any that come through legally or illegally. Which is something most people care about anyway.


I understand your frustration, but trying to frame immigration reform failure as a both sides issue is just not true at all and it gives the Republicans a pass when they're the ones who are always impeding progress, and always on the wrong side of history.

This isn't the first time Republicans have screwed bipartisan legislation to address immigration, the John Boehner led Republican House did the same thing in 2013 when Obama was in office when the Senate Gang of 8 worked on and passed Bill S.744

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Security,_Economic_Opportunity,_and_Immigration_Modernization_Act_of_2013

The Republican Speaker of the House tabled the bill and it died on the house floor, just like the bill did this year.

This is why political discourse in the US is so frustrating. The GOP has been acting in bad faith for decades and screw things up, and then the public doesn't place blame where it belongs and we repeat the same song and dance. This is like people thinking that Trump is good for the economy when he took Obama's economy, passed a bunch of ill advised tax cuts for the wealthy, let Covid run wild which caused a ton of issues, and then everyone blamed Joe Biden after a year when the check came due for everything and prices skyrocketed.

Anything that will progress America forward in a positive, constructive manner is always being derailed by these jerk offs. This is why I cannot co sign the both sides narrative. It's allowing the real perpetrators to get away with murder while holding Democrats to account even though they have been willing to work on ways to fix problems.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#626 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:34 pm

The GOP has no fact based solutions, and no platform for anything other than spreading hatred, fear, and division.

They scream border! Border! Border! And what do they do? They impede any attempt at addressing said issue. Build the wall? That was just a scam to funnel money into the pocket of opportunists. Gun violence? They offer thoughts and prayers while blocking gun reform legislation.

Their actions are literally killing people from children to women, they've made immigration a complete mess, they drive the economy into the ground and vote against common sense programs like free school lunch and tax credit relief for working families. They offer this country nothing and have done so since 1981.

I am not sitting here pretending that Democrats are perfect. No, they have their own issues. But it's clear as day to me who doesn't have American interests in mind with their actions, or lack thereof.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#627 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:52 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Jalen Bluntson wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Wanting to vet people who come here seeking asylum, which is like a legal act, let's keep that in mind, is fine. I don't think anyone is calling for just letting anyone in without going through the proper process, or that we should allow violent criminals in other country to run around with impunity.

However, Biden and the Democrats were ready to pass a comprehensive immigration bill that would have locked the border down among other things and the House Republicans were instructed by Trump, a private citizen, to deep six the legislation did it. And based on the fact that people are still pointing at Democrats over this says to me that Trump's plan worked to perfection.

There is one side that continues to scream about immigration but hamper any attempts to do something about it. That's why it's maddening when people invoke "both sides" on this. The GOP continues to stall and break everything and somehow the blame gets shared.


I'm talking about criminals caught here and being released here. Real criminals. Not jaywalkers. That's insanity. That's what pisses people off.

That bill was only recently. What about the previous 3 years? It's absolutely both sides. It's been both sides for generations bro. We really haven't figured this out after how many years? Let's be honest here.

Also, I'm not talking about the politicians or their opinions or actions entirely. People are not happy. IDC who's to blame for the problem. No one is fixing it. This time Trump has his hands dirty but, what was the problem the previous years/decades? Trump didn't cause these issues. No one fixes it. Ever. If that bill is really the solution, then hopefully Harris wins and can get it passed. Not sure what that bill does to address the hard core criminals that are already here though or any that come through legally or illegally. Which is something most people care about anyway.


I understand your frustration, but trying to frame immigration reform failure as a both sides issue is just not true at all and it gives the Republicans a pass when they're the ones who are always impeding progress, and always on the wrong side of history.

This isn't the first time Republicans have screwed bipartisan legislation to address immigration, the John Boehner led Republican House did the same thing in 2013 when Obama was in office when the Senate Gang of 8 worked on and passed Bill S.744

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Security,_Economic_Opportunity,_and_Immigration_Modernization_Act_of_2013

The Republican Speaker of the House tabled the bill and it died on the house floor, just like the bill did this year.

This is why political discourse in the US is so frustrating. The GOP has been acting in bad faith for decades and screw things up, and then the public doesn't place blame where it belongs and we repeat the same song and dance. This is like people thinking that Trump is good for the economy when he took Obama's economy, passed a bunch of ill advised tax cuts for the wealthy, let Covid run wild which caused a ton of issues, and then everyone blamed Joe Biden after a year when the check came due for everything and prices skyrocketed.

Anything that will progress America forward in a positive, constructive manner is always being derailed by these jerk offs. This is why I cannot co sign the both sides narrative. It's allowing the real perpetrators to get away with murder while holding Democrats to account even though they have been willing to work on ways to fix problems.


When someone points out that BOTH sides have failed to solve the problem, that isn't letting anyone get away with anything. The Democrats haven't solved illegal immigration either. It's been longer than 20 years that we have been dealing with this issue. One side plays the Boogeyman card to pander for votes. The other side uses the path to freedom card. Both sides get nothing done. If you think it's only the Republicans failing the situation....I disagree.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#628 » by ScienceOfLosing » Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:53 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
DOT wrote:
Jalen Bluntson wrote:
Those numbers are pretty bad though. Comparing them to citizens doesn't really matter because they are here illegally. Complex or not, they shouldn't be released into the country with these charges against them. Fear mongering? It's just a break down of criminals being released into our population who should have been detained and deported. That's not a good look.

I was looking at a year in jail for driving TO WORK with a suspended license a few of times. This was back when there was discussion of giving illegal immigrants a drivers license. I plead it down and did 3 months for that. I was not just released into the wild while awaiting trial. I would think sexual assault or whatever, while not a citizen, would be a little more important than a citizen driving to work without a license. Make it make sense.

https://www.crossroadstoday.com/news/politics/national-politics/fact-check-to-attack-harris-trump-falsely-describes-new-stats-on-immigrants-and-homicide/article_60bd3382-1e53-5232-b188-7bc315abc1fc.html

A note, just so you're clear on this:

The list of convicted criminals on the non-detained docket includes both people who crossed the border illegally and people who came to the US legally, such as with a visa or green card, and then committed a crime and were placed in removal proceedings or were given a removal order.


Spoiler:
Second, that ICE “non-detained” list includes people who are still serving jail and prison sentences for their crimes; they are on the list because they are not being held in immigration detention in particular.


Why aren’t these people in immigration detention if they have been convicted of a crime as serious as homicide? Under a 2001 Supreme Court decision, the US government is not allowed to indefinitely keep someone in immigration detention after they have been ordered removed from the country. So if someone has served their criminal sentence for homicide and then is ordered to be removed from the US, but their country is uncooperative with the US on immigration and won’t take them back, they must be released in the US — usually after no more than six months in immigration detention.


A previous official federal report said there were 368,574 total convicted criminals on the non-detained docket as of August 2016, under the Obama administration, about five months before Trump became president. And another federal document said there were 405,786 total convicted criminals on the non-detained docket as of early June 2021, less than five months into the Biden-Harris administration. Again, the July 2024 number was 425,431 total convicted criminals.

In other words, the list grew about 10% between August 2016 and June 2021 — a roughly five-year period that included the four-year Trump administration — and then grew about another roughly 5% in the three-plus years under the Biden-Harris administration between June 2021 and July 2024.


Regardless, there’s no basis for saying, as Trump kept doing Friday, that all of the people on the docket with homicide convictions came in during the Biden-Harris administration — and the numbers show “the docket certainly grew under the Trump administration,” Sandweg said. (He added that, to be fair, Trump faced the same stubborn issues with uncooperative foreign countries as other presidents.)


So in short, this is not a list of illegal immigrants who committed crimes, this is a list of all migrants who have committed crimes. We don't keep a super close eye on this list, but it has been around for decades and it has not significantly increased in the last 4 years. Furthermore, just because someone is a convicted criminal does not mean ICE can or should be the ones detaining them, they are given over to the police. Some of these people have already served their time, some are currently doing so

And finally, the big issue here is that in order to deport, we need somewhere to deport to. If their country won't accept them back, we can't just dump them somewhere, and that has been the big issue basically for ever, even under Trump

So this is at best misleading, and at worst actively deceitful and xenophobic. Because if you aren't paying attention (which you weren't because you presumed good faith), it's presented as there are 700,000 illegal immigrants who have committed violent crimes that are just walking free with no consequences. This is just flat out not true.


You beat me to it. well said

Also, what is it, 8% of the people on this list out of 7 million people?

Honestly, you're more likely to have a violent encounter with a natural born american citizen toting a firearm than you are some migrants wanting to come here to escape horrific conditions in central and south america. Migrants aren't killing American children at all time highs, it's other Americans.

That being said, i find the concerns surrounding immigrant criminality laughable coming from people who have loudly and proudly proclaimed that they are voting for a convicted felon and rapist.


You mean the civil rape suite that redefined the law in order to go to trial? You mean that crazy E Jean Caroll “Rape is sexy” lady? Where CNN cut to break when she started that sick talk? No Criminal trial for a reason.
Saying over half the country supports what that liar said is ingenuous. Our Country and it’s people are better than that.

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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#629 » by Stannis » Mon Sep 30, 2024 3:26 am

Gaza
West Bank
Lebanon
Now Yemen

This conflict isn't slowing down.
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Post#630 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Sep 30, 2024 4:04 am

Stannis wrote:Gaza
West Bank
Lebanon
Now Yemen

This conflict isn't slowing down.

Decapitation assassinations don’t win wars. Wars are won on the ground and the IDF is not prepared for a ground fight with Hezbollah. Netanyahu is trying to save his own skin at the expense of the hostages and the Israeli people, or what’s left of them. So many have left the country already and its economy is in shambles.

This is all a function of U.S. imperialism. We want to be in the Middle East in order to keep an eye on that oil and the Suez Canal/Red Sea waterways. “U.S. ‘interests’.”
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#631 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Sep 30, 2024 4:32 am

Jalen Bluntson wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Jalen Bluntson wrote:
I'm talking about criminals caught here and being released here. Real criminals. Not jaywalkers. That's insanity. That's what pisses people off.

That bill was only recently. What about the previous 3 years? It's absolutely both sides. It's been both sides for generations bro. We really haven't figured this out after how many years? Let's be honest here.

Also, I'm not talking about the politicians or their opinions or actions entirely. People are not happy. IDC who's to blame for the problem. No one is fixing it. This time Trump has his hands dirty but, what was the problem the previous years/decades? Trump didn't cause these issues. No one fixes it. Ever. If that bill is really the solution, then hopefully Harris wins and can get it passed. Not sure what that bill does to address the hard core criminals that are already here though or any that come through legally or illegally. Which is something most people care about anyway.


I understand your frustration, but trying to frame immigration reform failure as a both sides issue is just not true at all and it gives the Republicans a pass when they're the ones who are always impeding progress, and always on the wrong side of history.

This isn't the first time Republicans have screwed bipartisan legislation to address immigration, the John Boehner led Republican House did the same thing in 2013 when Obama was in office when the Senate Gang of 8 worked on and passed Bill S.744

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Security,_Economic_Opportunity,_and_Immigration_Modernization_Act_of_2013

The Republican Speaker of the House tabled the bill and it died on the house floor, just like the bill did this year.

This is why political discourse in the US is so frustrating. The GOP has been acting in bad faith for decades and screw things up, and then the public doesn't place blame where it belongs and we repeat the same song and dance. This is like people thinking that Trump is good for the economy when he took Obama's economy, passed a bunch of ill advised tax cuts for the wealthy, let Covid run wild which caused a ton of issues, and then everyone blamed Joe Biden after a year when the check came due for everything and prices skyrocketed.

Anything that will progress America forward in a positive, constructive manner is always being derailed by these jerk offs. This is why I cannot co sign the both sides narrative. It's allowing the real perpetrators to get away with murder while holding Democrats to account even though they have been willing to work on ways to fix problems.


When someone points out that BOTH sides have failed to solve the problem, that isn't letting anyone get away with anything. The Democrats haven't solved illegal immigration either. It's been longer than 20 years that we have been dealing with this issue. One side plays the Boogeyman card to pander for votes. The other side uses the path to freedom card. Both sides get nothing done. If you think it's only the Republicans failing the situation....I disagree.


Border crossings have plummeted since Biden issued his Executive Order putting a moratorium on claiming asylum after Trump directed the GOP to kill the border bill.

It was an ad hoc solution to stem the tide and it was actually very effective. I don't think it is a long-term solution which will require more resources, but the flow of illegal aliens across the border at the moment is the lowest it has been in years.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#632 » by Jalen Bluntson » Mon Sep 30, 2024 5:12 am

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I understand your frustration, but trying to frame immigration reform failure as a both sides issue is just not true at all and it gives the Republicans a pass when they're the ones who are always impeding progress, and always on the wrong side of history.

This isn't the first time Republicans have screwed bipartisan legislation to address immigration, the John Boehner led Republican House did the same thing in 2013 when Obama was in office when the Senate Gang of 8 worked on and passed Bill S.744

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Security,_Economic_Opportunity,_and_Immigration_Modernization_Act_of_2013

The Republican Speaker of the House tabled the bill and it died on the house floor, just like the bill did this year.

This is why political discourse in the US is so frustrating. The GOP has been acting in bad faith for decades and screw things up, and then the public doesn't place blame where it belongs and we repeat the same song and dance. This is like people thinking that Trump is good for the economy when he took Obama's economy, passed a bunch of ill advised tax cuts for the wealthy, let Covid run wild which caused a ton of issues, and then everyone blamed Joe Biden after a year when the check came due for everything and prices skyrocketed.

Anything that will progress America forward in a positive, constructive manner is always being derailed by these jerk offs. This is why I cannot co sign the both sides narrative. It's allowing the real perpetrators to get away with murder while holding Democrats to account even though they have been willing to work on ways to fix problems.


When someone points out that BOTH sides have failed to solve the problem, that isn't letting anyone get away with anything. The Democrats haven't solved illegal immigration either. It's been longer than 20 years that we have been dealing with this issue. One side plays the Boogeyman card to pander for votes. The other side uses the path to freedom card. Both sides get nothing done. If you think it's only the Republicans failing the situation....I disagree.


Border crossings have plummeted since Biden issued his Executive Order putting a moratorium on claiming asylum after Trump directed the GOP to kill the border bill.

It was an ad hoc solution to stem the tide and it was actually very effective. I don't think it is a long-term solution which will require more resources, but the flow of illegal aliens across the border at the moment is the lowest it has been in years.


I'm not talking about Biden vs Trump here. I am aware of the facts. It's a complete joke how it is being portrayed in today's insane world. I'm discussing the big picture. It has always been a game that neither side ever wins. That's my point. It's been going on since before we were even born. There hasn't been real solutions after all these DECADES. Also... Biden waited until the last minute. I'm not exactly willing to give him a pass for that.

I truly believe the cheap labor aspect was a driving factor in letting it slide for so long. Both sides. Now it's out of control and they still play games instead of sitting down and solving the problems with real long term solutions. It shouldn't be this difficult. We have known about it forever but no one cared enough to fix it. That's where I'm at.

Just like this new BS about housing shortages. It's not housing that's the problem. It's a jobs issue. We no longer have the industry here to support the citizens ability to buy houses. The jobs are all gone overseas. People are left working for Walmart/Amazon and still needing food stamps to survive. Cost of living keeps outpacing wages. That's the real housing issue. Go to Detroit and look at all the abandoned real estate. It's not a housing shortage.
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Post#633 » by Pointgod » Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:53 am

So much for toning down the rhetoric. Hope the both sides idiots start to see how deranged this idiot and his supporters are.

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Post#634 » by omerome » Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:00 am

Pointgod wrote:So much for toning down the rhetoric. Hope the both sides idiots start to see how deranged this idiot and his supporters are.

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This guy wants his own version of The Purge. WTF?
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Post#635 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:05 am

Stannis wrote:Gaza
West Bank
Lebanon
Now Yemen

This conflict isn't slowing down.

Clearly Trump would bring peace immediately
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Post#636 » by Pointgod » Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:26 am

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Shocker, this turned out to be right wing misinformation.

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Post#637 » by Pointgod » Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:27 am

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Stannis wrote:Gaza
West Bank
Lebanon
Now Yemen

This conflict isn't slowing down.

Clearly Trump would bring peace immediately


Donald the Dove who dropped more bombs in 4 years than Obama did in 8 and under who civilian deaths went up…..
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Post#638 » by DOT » Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:47 pm

Pointgod wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Stannis wrote:Gaza
West Bank
Lebanon
Now Yemen

This conflict isn't slowing down.

Clearly Trump would bring peace immediately


Donald the Dove who dropped more bombs in 4 years than Obama did in 8 and under who civilian deaths went up…..

I think y'all know Biden/Harris's actions and policies are completely indefensible, because you never actually defend them, just whatabout Trump them

I can at least be honest, when I vote for Kamala in November, I am voting to support a genocide because both parties support the genocide of the Palestinian people

It's also just straight up not gonna convince people to vote for Kamala to just ignore criticisms of her and deflect to Trump. Cause all you're really doing is giving more ammo to the bad faith "both sides bad" people.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#639 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Sep 30, 2024 1:11 pm

Pointgod wrote:
St Knick wrote:
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Treasonous


Shocker, this turned out to be right wing misinformation.

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Well surprise surprise. That means that the entire number presented is false.

I'm shocked that Republicans would lie about something like this.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#640 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Sep 30, 2024 1:19 pm

DOT wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Clearly Trump would bring peace immediately


Donald the Dove who dropped more bombs in 4 years than Obama did in 8 and under who civilian deaths went up…..

I think y'all know Biden/Harris's actions and policies are completely indefensible, because you never actually defend them, just whatabout Trump them

I can at least be honest, when I vote for Kamala in November, I am voting to support a genocide because both parties support the genocide of the Palestinian people

It's also just straight up not gonna convince people to vote for Kamala to just ignore criticisms of her and deflect to Trump. Cause all you're really doing is giving more ammo to the bad faith "both sides bad" people.


It's Biden's administration, not hers though

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