PG: Knicks vs Celtics: Season opener!

[Appleshampoo]

With Mitchell Robinson Knicks can safley funnel the opponent towards the rim. He intimidates and sets the tone on the offensive/defensive boards. OG and Mikal will be maximized as wing defenders when there is high level rim protection. It's easy to admit the Knicks missed Mitch last night on the offensive boards and protecting the rim. Hartenstein, too.

[mpharris36]

The Knicks as a team shot 55% last night (43/78) while Boston shot 48/95 (50%). The difference in the game was Boston shot 29/61 (48% lol) from 3 while we shot 11/30 (solid 37%). 65% of Boston's FGA were 3s which is unheard of. At one point both teams were trading baskets but Boston kept shooting 3s while New York was shooting 2s and the lead kept ballooning. If you're playing Boston, you need to defend the 3ball and NY is terrible at defending the 3

and that 48% wasn't even indicative of there actual shooting from 3. I think they probably missed there last 10 3's with there backups were in. They were shooting 60% from 3 on ridiculous volume for a good part of 3 qtrs.

[god shammgod]

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zach lowe hating on kat too i guess

[TerrenceClarke]

Never forget. Mikal has been bricking his shot before he came to the Knicks.

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[The KnicksFix]

Looking back at the replay of this game now, the defensive lineups are all weird, we somehow matched up
OG against brown
hart on white
Brunson on holiday
Mikal on Tatum
KAT was the only defensive assignment that was correct, covering Horford.

It just doesn’t make sense:
OG is the defender that should be on Tatum
mikal on brown
Hart should be guarding holiday,
Brunson on white
OR drop hart to the bench and have Deuce play Holiday on defense in the starting lineup

These matchups matter because now if they switch the pick and roll, with Tatum will be isolating on Brunson, OG would therefore be switched on to white, but this means hart and mikal can help, this means everyone has to rotate. Im sure this will come with time

Looking At the highlights of last year’s game where we beat the Celtics 6 months ago,
OG guarded tatum
Donte on white
Brunson on holiday
Ihart on KP
Hart on brown….
We won this game because Tatum was essentially eliminated as an offensive threat

In the game that we lost on opening night a season ago, grimes was the primary defender on Tatum and Brunson played holiday…
See the trend?

PUT OG ON THE OPPOSING TEAM’S STAR, WITH MIKAL ON THE SECONDARY STAR
ITS NOT THAT HARD
Additionally, Kat needs to step UP in the pick and roll rather than playing drop coverage

Brown just won FMVP. Tjey have two stars.

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Either way, I still think OG plays Tatum. There’s no way he should be on brown, when Tatum is the greater threat from 3

[NYKat]

The only thing I’m panicking about is Mikal. Someone is gonna have to talk me down from the ledge. We sent 5 firsts. Even if he was a good 3 and D role player that’s insane but if he puts us over the top, ok fine. But he’s defense looks pretty sus and his shot is scary. Is he better than Donte? What are we doing here? Help

You make the Mikal trade for him to compliment the Nova guys, for us to then trade DDV shows the FO is not being consistent with their vision now.

All over the place.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

With Mitchell Robinson Knicks can safley funnel the opponent towards the rim. He intimidates and sets the tone on the offensive/defensive boards. OG and Mikal will be maximized as wing defenders when there is high level rim protection. It's easy to admit the Knicks missed Mitch last night on the offensive boards and protecting the rim. Hartenstein, too.

We were 0-3 with Mitch starting last year against the Celtics, he averaged 5ppg 6rpg against them and there is nobody to funnel to the rim because KP is standing 26 feet from the rim. He was thoroughly out played by KP last season and was -26 in those games, you guys really need to understand what the Celtics do, how they score and how they defend against rim runners, their entire scheme is to expose players like Mitch.


He's not the answer vs that team, the Mavs bigs were pretty much useless against them in the finals as well.

[Fat Kat]

[HEZI]

With Mitchell Robinson Knicks can safley funnel the opponent towards the rim. He intimidates and sets the tone on the offensive/defensive boards. OG and Mikal will be maximized as wing defenders when there is high level rim protection. It's easy to admit the Knicks missed Mitch last night on the offensive boards and protecting the rim. Hartenstein, too.

We were 0-3 with Mitch starting last year against the Celtics, he averaged 5ppg 6rpg against them and there is nobody to funnel to the rim because KP is standing 26 feet from the rim. He was thoroughly out played by KP last season and was -26 in those games, you guys really need to understand what the Celtics do, how they score and how they defend against rim runners, their entire scheme is to expose players like Mitch.


He's not the answer vs that team, the Mavs bigs were pretty much useless against them in the finals as well.

Yeah and it doesn’t work because he’s still going to be in drop coverage because he can’t guard the perimeter either so Cs game plan doesn’t change at all. They are bombing away 3s and nothing Mitchell Robinson can do about it

[sol537]

Precious and Deuce are the type of guys you need to deploy against Boston. Switchable defenders who will put relentless pressure on Boston's offense and defense... Deuce with his range and Precious with his rolling to the rim and offensive put backs. I expect a closer contest next time we play Boston.

[TerrenceClarke]

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Imaging trading for a 200 million center and teams is like…..

[god shammgod]

more baiting. public warning number 2. i can do this all day.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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zach lowe hating on kat too i guess

He also said "It's early"



But the sky is falling on here.

[god shammgod]

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He also said "It's early"



But the sky is falling on here.

we're just seeing what we told you would happen. you didn't listen. like that time i told you those weren't real yeezys but you bought them anyway.

[Appleshampoo]

With Mitchell Robinson Knicks can safley funnel the opponent towards the rim. He intimidates and sets the tone on the offensive/defensive boards. OG and Mikal will be maximized as wing defenders when there is high level rim protection. It's easy to admit the Knicks missed Mitch last night on the offensive boards and protecting the rim. Hartenstein, too.

We were 0-3 with Mitch starting last year against the Celtics, he averaged 5ppg 6rpg against them and there is nobody to funnel to the rim because KP is standing 26 feet from the rim. He was thoroughly out played by KP last season and was -26 in those games, you guys really need to understand what the Celtics do, how they score and how they defend against rim runners, their entire scheme is to expose players like Mitch.


He's not the answer vs that team, the Mavs bigs were pretty much useless against them in the finals as well.

Yeah and it doesn’t work because he’s still going to be in drop coverage because he can’t guard the perimeter either so Cs game plan doesn’t change at all. They are bombing away 3s and nothing Mitchell Robinson can do about it

Good medicine/insight/truth for me. On the other end, offensive rebounding was a major strength of the team last season. I thought the Celtics running up a quick lead wouldn't have happened if the bricked shots led to more 2nd chance opportunities. Offensive rebounding and rim protection (albeit the Celtics) are major adjustments to figure out.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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zach lowe hating on kat too i guess

He also said "It's early"



But the sky is falling on here.

we're just seeing what we told you would happen. you didn't listen. like that time i told you those weren't real yeezys but you bought them anyway.

If we had listened to you we'd have a team built around DeMar DeRozan and Isaac _k_r_. I don't take advice from anyone that thinks the Lordz of the underground were lyrical.

[KnixinSix]

I think more so than the offense we need him to be a two way player. He was getting smoked last night.

The offense was nice to see in the 2nd half it made me feel much better about his shooting going forward.

But he was brought in to be our POA defender...he will be on haliburton on friday...we need him to be super disruptive on defense.

I really feel Brunson and KAT can carry most of the offensive load with spurts for Mikal as a 3rd option...but we can't be throwing out defensive performances like last night from him and OG. THey need to be our core defensively.

And that's the most encouraging thing maybe of all. We all know that Bridges and OG are studs defensively. So it's either :

a) They are still adjusting to the system's complexities and will be fine once they acclimate.

-or-

b) This system will quickly prove to be a terrible fit and essentially stunts their defensive abilities.

If the latter proves to be the case it will be squarely on Thibs to adjust.

yes thibs needs to make this work as well. Enough of the drop coverage with KAT...that is not his game you can't treat him like Ihart and Mitch.

I would much rather have KAT switch on tatum and make him make a somewhat contested shot over him then letting tatum get a clean look off a screen.

Well it was certainly clear the system was severely exposed last night. So was it more because the system is not ideal or is it more the players are still adjusting? Thats the key question.

[KnixinSix]

We were 0-3 with Mitch starting last year against the Celtics, he averaged 5ppg 6rpg against them and there is nobody to funnel to the rim because KP is standing 26 feet from the rim. He was thoroughly out played by KP last season and was -26 in those games, you guys really need to understand what the Celtics do, how they score and how they defend against rim runners, their entire scheme is to expose players like Mitch.


He's not the answer vs that team, the Mavs bigs were pretty much useless against them in the finals as well.

Yeah and it doesn’t work because he’s still going to be in drop coverage because he can’t guard the perimeter either so Cs game plan doesn’t change at all. They are bombing away 3s and nothing Mitchell Robinson can do about it

Good medicine/insight/truth for me. On the other end, offensive rebounding was a major strength of the team last season. I thought the Celtics running up a quick lead wouldn't have happened if the bricked shots led to more 2nd chance opportunities. Offensive rebounding and rim protection (albeit the Celtics) are major adjustments to figure out.

Well if that is the case maybe you need OG then on KP. Either way it was good because Thibs got to see his system challenged by the best in the NBA. This is a big learning point.

[stuporman]

This FO has been making the right moves for years while doubters have routinely criticized them and been wrong the whole time but if the moves this summer don't pan out the doubters will gloat about how they've been right all along. They don't deserve the opportunity to but will definitely use it to do so.

The moves this summer leave the FO very little room to maneuver for the next couple of years so they better hope it does work out. Otherwise, they've blown the best opportunity in decades for the Knicks to win a title even though they were the ones that put the franchise in a position to contend in the first place.

[KnixinSix]

Precious and Deuce are the type of guys you need to deploy against Boston. Switchable defenders who will put relentless pressure on Boston's offense and defense... Deuce with his range and Precious with his rolling to the rim and offensive put backs. I expect a closer contest next time we play Boston.

Celts were waaaaay too open on that drop coverage stuff. We have way too many elite perimeter defenders that if deployed in the RIGHT defensive system can cover the 3 like glue.

McBride
Bridges
OG
Hart

All 4 of these guys are EXCELLENT perimeter defenders if deployed the right way.