Official Knicks Coaching Search Thread

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Thibs Knicks has had a higher offensive rating than Kidd's Mavs each of the last three years. This is including last year when the Knicks had all those injuries. Kidd also lost in 5 games to the same Celtics team Thibs just beat in the playoffs. Kidd had two generational players in Luka and Kyrie, we dont have one.

Thibs is gone and never coming back

At least Kidd got his team to the finals, and did it in less time with the Mavs. As far as I can tell none of the Mavs have come forward and said they don't know if they will be able to play for him next year either.

I never said Kidd was a bad coach, only that he could not beat the Celtics with two hall of fame players when he had the chance to win it all. Is he the Steve Kerr you promised we would get after Thibs?

Thibs is gone and not coming back, if you want to argue about him there's the Hamsterdam thread or the thread about him being fired, we're here to discuss the next coach. I know this is difficult for you since you spent the season saying he wasn't getting fired, but some of us have moved on already.

[Jeff Van Gully]

katz did opinion stuff all the time. it was just well received and generally trusted. edwards is a new face and clearly not a knick fan. if anything, he's more neutral.

and i strongly prefer reading katz to edwards.

When he was announced as the new guy, he was soooo thrilled with it (not). I thought that was just his dry as sand personality, but the more I read his stuff, the more obnoxious it sounded. He's a Michigan boy, so his you can reason that his dream job was writing about the Pistons. But he has such a **** attitude towards the Knicks, it's damn near a disservice. I don't expect sunshine and blue skies, but he just seems to stir ish up.

I love reading Katz but Edward is really a huge step down. He's clearly not a Knicks fan, definitely not a New Yorker, and seems to have no closeness to the team. He's just a second rate writer trying to earn a buck off the biggest and best fanbase in the NBA. Sucks.

yeah, i don't think that's true. i think he's a good writer in a bad position because we lost someone beloved who also felt like one of us. no-win situation. fans aren't gonna not compare him.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Wow this Pacers analyst NAILS some stuff here ....

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Exactly this
I asked all year to just try Mitch and deuce in the starting lineup
With KAT and hart off the bench
If you make the argument you don’t trade for KAT to come off the bench, well okc just signed Ihart to a massive contract and he hasn’t started a game for them during the first two finals games. It’s about adjustments, and Thibs never tried anything new

this is more of a thibs thread convo than the search.

[Gravy]

Thibs is gone and never coming back

At least Kidd got his team to the finals, and did it in less time with the Mavs. As far as I can tell none of the Mavs have come forward and said they don't know if they will be able to play for him next year either.

I never said Kidd was a bad coach, only that he could not beat the Celtics with two hall of fame players when he had the chance to win it all. Is he the Steve Kerr you promised we would get after Thibs?

Thibs is gone and not coming back, if you want to argue about him there's the Hamsterdam thread or the thread about him being fired, we're here to discuss the next coach. I know this is difficult for you since you spent the season saying he wasn't getting fired, but some of us have moved on already.

I'm talking about Jason Kidd here, keep up. Lets see how he would have handled the Pacers Run the tape!

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[3toheadmelo]

Rather just hire woody

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Woody was ahead of his time. A true visionary. A knicks legend who doesnt get enough love. He would have kat out there shooting 3s until he needed Tommy John surgery or until he saw him play defense and give him the classic

Spoiler:

Woodson started that spam 3 point offense and the rest of the league followed us. A legendary coach.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I never said Kidd was a bad coach, only that he could not beat the Celtics with two hall of fame players when he had the chance to win it all. Is he the Steve Kerr you promised we would get after Thibs?

Thibs is gone and not coming back, if you want to argue about him there's the Hamsterdam thread or the thread about him being fired, we're here to discuss the next coach. I know this is difficult for you since you spent the season saying he wasn't getting fired, but some of us have moved on already.

I'm talking about Jason Kidd here, keep up. Lets see how he would have handled the Pacers Run the tape!

Watch on YouTube

I don't care who we sign, just as long as it's not Thibs. You'll try and tear down whoever it is, because you're not happy with how this turned out. Meanwhile, they're gonna need the Dragon spacecraft to get me down from my high. If it's Kidd I'm cool with it, if it's Bryant I'm cool with it, if it's Malone or Jenkins I'm cool with it, anyone but your guy

[GettinitDone]

I never knew this to be a thing that our coach search would take away from the Finals...

Everything to do with our stature as a big market??

I mean if the Kings or Wizards have a coaching hire in the middle of the Finals, noone would think it's "taking away" from the Finals

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I like Kidd, I think he's elevated his coaching significantly in Dallas vs his previous 2 stops in Milwaukee and Brooklyn... like someone said for his team to beat the dominant KAT-Ant Wolves last year was maybe the biggest achievement in his coaching career

But I hope we hire Bryant, I think he's gonna be better than Kidd...

I think Kidd would have a lot of pressure, for a big market team looking to improve on its ECF appearance and it believes in someone so much it wants to pry him out of his current job/ break the contract to do it... says a lot about the team's already massive expectations of him

At least Bryant hire would not require him getting out of his current contract

[mpharris36]

Thibs is gone and not coming back, if you want to argue about him there's the Hamsterdam thread or the thread about him being fired, we're here to discuss the next coach. I know this is difficult for you since you spent the season saying he wasn't getting fired, but some of us have moved on already.

I'm talking about Jason Kidd here, keep up. Lets see how he would have handled the Pacers Run the tape!

Watch on YouTube

I don't care who we sign, just as long as it's not Thibs. You'll try and tear down whoever it is, because you're not happy with how this turned out. Meanwhile, they're gonna need the Dragon spacecraft to get me down from my high. If it's Kidd I'm cool with it, if it's Bryant I'm cool with it, if it's Malone or Jenkins I'm cool with it, anyone but your guy

Malone is going a bit far...

but everything else I agree with it

[Gravy]

Thibs is gone and not coming back, if you want to argue about him there's the Hamsterdam thread or the thread about him being fired, we're here to discuss the next coach. I know this is difficult for you since you spent the season saying he wasn't getting fired, but some of us have moved on already.

I'm talking about Jason Kidd here, keep up. Lets see how he would have handled the Pacers Run the tape!

Watch on YouTube

I don't care who we sign, just as long as it's not Thibs. You'll try and tear down whoever it is, because you're not happy with how this turned out. Meanwhile, they're gonna need the Dragon spacecraft to get me down from my high. If it's Kidd I'm cool with it, if it's Bryant I'm cool with it, if it's Malone or Jenkins I'm cool with it, anyone but your guy

I'm talking about the new potential coach and you are bringing up Thibs. Let it go he's not here to hurt you anymore. The new guy can get his criticism too just the same

[TheGreenArrow]

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Thank god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KnixinSix]

Exactly this
I asked all year to just try Mitch and deuce in the starting lineup
With KAT and hart off the bench
If you make the argument you don’t trade for KAT to come off the bench, well okc just signed Ihart to a massive contract and he hasn’t started a game for them during the first two finals games. It’s about adjustments, and Thibs never tried anything new

Thibs would have been fired on opening night if he suggested that and rightfully so.

He definitely should have tried Deuce with the starters though.

Yeah you aren't bench KAT that is craziness.

But you can certainly experiment with lineups which Thibs simply doesn't do in the regular season. Not much run with the two big lineup, basically no run with Deuce with the starters. Basically playing the same few bench players and not expanding it unless an injury. All these things impact winning in the playoffs. Delon Wright and then Shamet are scrambled asked to play and they just haven't run many minutes with the guys they are playing with.

Basically switching the least amount in the regular season and then asking the team to do more switching in the playoffs worked ok with not an elite passing team like BOS...but Indy picked us apart and confused us. That is also on the coach for not having the guys comfortable with different defensive coverages.

Yes I'm sure KAT lead to some confusion with his doing what he wants to do sometimes...but its ultimately on the coach for the team not looking confused...and we seemed confused a lot.

Circling back to the impact a new coach will have on the roster...these are the things I hope they improve from Thibs faults.

When I was flipping out game 1 up 17 (look at the game thread) late 4th and they didnt bring in Mitch 'Mariano Rivera' Robinson to close the game but instead paired Brun and KAT out there as you know I lost it bc I had this strange premonition something verrrrry bad was about to happen

That was case closed for me at that point. Robinson had already proved by that point he is back and defensively dominant. To be that out of touch and just robotically put your worst 2 defenders out there just bc they are your best players offensively is criminal She touches on 3 or 4 other great points . There is literally no way Nesmith becomes a combination of Curry and Reggie Miller if Robinson is out there instead of KAT. And McBride instead of Hart at minimum too. At least a couple of their better perimeter defenders at their respective positions.

[KnixinSix]

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Thank god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stein is the misinformation pusher in this equation.

[mpharris36]

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Thank god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so then why not just shoot down the rumor then?

Knicks interested, all the mavs have to say is Kidd is happy here and we will decline and formal request Simple. All this postering for no reason if he wants to stay in Dallas.

Lots of rumors that with Nico surprising him on Luka trade thats a tough relationship to mend when your GM makes a move without telling your coach. How can he trust him going forward?

[FrozenEnvelope]

Haven't gone out of my way to read much about the Kidd rumors, but I feel pretty underwhelmed by the prospect of him coaching here. Especially if the thinking is he'll lure Giannis here. That gives me Dolan vibes. I personally think Mike Malone is a better coach and the clear choice if you don't want to go the Johnnie Bryant route.

I think Kidd having coached Brunson before, having played and coached here (NJ) and having success as a coach (WCF) gives him an edge over Malone in Leon's eyes. Plus the falling out between Malone and the Denver front office might scare Leon since it seems he just went through the same thing with Thibs. Not that Leon is seeking a yes man but I think he wants a coach who will take feedback and collaborate more easily. Both Thibs and Malone seem like they are old school my way or the high way type.

[BKlutch]

When BKE tweeted we needed to stop focusing on the coach so much and focus on the great basketball being played, many of us thought it was because his tips weren't real and he was trying to quiet things down.

But what if his tips were right, but the NBA told us to stop releasing info about our coaching search until after the playoffs? (The viewership is so poor they want more people to focus on the games). Maybe his source told BKE to go quiet for a while until the series has ended.

This is only speculation, but it makes just as much sense as the alternative. Given the two boring teams playing, I just want the playoffs to end ASAP, anyway.

[Gravy]

Kidd is a better coach than Thibs, period.

He has had DAL playing excellent defense most of the time even with Luka and Kyrie in the mix. He's also reached the finals once and WCF twice, I believe. His offense is also more varied than what Thibs runs and Kidd is more open to experimentation and adjustments. Kidd is also younger than Thibs and Kidd, as a hall of fame NBA PG, garners more respect/admiration from current players. He's not perfect, but he's definitely better than Thibs IMO.

I do think more free agents & players in general would rather play for Kidd in NY than for Thibs. My 2 cents.

Thibs Knicks has had a higher offensive rating than Kidd's Mavs each of the last three years. This is including last year when the Knicks had all those injuries. Kidd also lost in 5 games to the same Celtics team Thibs just beat in the playoffs. Kidd had two generational players in Luka and Kyrie, we dont have one.

Offensive rating is only measuring our players scoring efficiency. It’s not really a credit to Thibs.

The Celtics team that Kidd lost to (in the Finals, where Thibs never been) wasn’t the same team that we beat at all. Not to make excuses for them but they didn’t have a healthy KP, Brown was banged up, Jrue too and he and Horford were another year older. That team was also much more hungry for their first title.

Kyrie may be a generational player, but at this stage, I think everyone would take Jalen over him.

I’m not saying Kidd is Popovich, but the dude is better than Thibs in a multitude of ways. I don’t see Kidd needing to bring guys he coached 10 years ago with him to every stop he makes because he’s got major trust issues. Also better at developing players… gave Jalen the confidence to become the dude who drops 40+ in the playoffs and helped develop Giannis. Kyrie also looked the best mentally that he had in years. He was a big part of that 2020 title in LA helping to manage egos too. Thibs chased our rookies out of town… Obi wanted to fight him. Mikal spoke out about the minutes publicly and wanted out of here in that exit meeting. Kidd isn’t dead last in player voting for coaches they wanna play for. On and on and on…

These things are a huge difference and matter far more than offensive rating. Kidd isn’t a lock for the job, but if he gets it, I think it’s a no brainer that we’re in a much better position going forward.

We wont really know if he's better until a year from now by how far we get in the playoffs. It seems the biggest part of their coaching search is who Brunson likes.

[Besart19]

mitch/huk
giannis/
og/wright
duece/shamet
brunson/dame

lol

as much as Dame has struggled with injuries, a healthy Dame in a playoff game in the clutch would do wonders... how would you defend both Brunson and Dame with Giannis and Mitch as screeners and OG wide open in the corners?!

[FrozenEnvelope]

Thibs Knicks has had a higher offensive rating than Kidd's Mavs each of the last three years. This is including last year when the Knicks had all those injuries. Kidd also lost in 5 games to the same Celtics team Thibs just beat in the playoffs. Kidd had two generational players in Luka and Kyrie, we dont have one.

Offensive rating is only measuring our players scoring efficiency. It’s not really a credit to Thibs.

The Celtics team that Kidd lost to (in the Finals, where Thibs never been) wasn’t the same team that we beat at all. Not to make excuses for them but they didn’t have a healthy KP, Brown was banged up, Jrue too and he and Horford were another year older. That team was also much more hungry for their first title.

Kyrie may be a generational player, but at this stage, I think everyone would take Jalen over him.

I’m not saying Kidd is Popovich, but the dude is better than Thibs in a multitude of ways. I don’t see Kidd needing to bring guys he coached 10 years ago with him to every stop he makes because he’s got major trust issues. Also better at developing players… gave Jalen the confidence to become the dude who drops 40+ in the playoffs and helped develop Giannis. Kyrie also looked the best mentally that he had in years. He was a big part of that 2020 title in LA helping to manage egos too. Thibs chased our rookies out of town… Obi wanted to fight him. Mikal spoke out about the minutes publicly and wanted out of here in that exit meeting. Kidd isn’t dead last in player voting for coaches they wanna play for. On and on and on…

These things are a huge difference and matter far more than offensive rating. Kidd isn’t a lock for the job, but if he gets it, I think it’s a no brainer that we’re in a much better position going forward.

We wont really know if he's better until a year from now by how far we get in the playoffs. It seems the biggest part of their coaching search is who Brunson likes.

As it should be! Brunson didn't take a pay cut to play for a coach he doesn't like. Last thing we need is our cap asking to be traded by Christmas.

[sol537]

This roller coaster ride is gonna go one for some time longer. Those without the patience or stomach for it should get off.

I'll be ignoring as much of the chatter as I can until Shams drops the bomb.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

mitch/huk
giannis/
og/wright
duece/shamet
brunson/dame

lol

as much as Dame has struggled with injuries, a healthy Dame in a playoff game in the clutch would do wonders... how would you defend both Brunson and Dame with Giannis and Mitch as screeners and OG wide open in the corners?!

Dame probably won't even play in 2025-26 as he recovers from his torn Achilles tendon.