[Camelo Thread Part 12] - Melo's list grows? pg. 50

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

"If we can make the team better, I'll try to do that," Walsh said. "If you can't make the team better, why would you do the deal. I don't want to do a deal for the sake of doing a deal. I don't want to give up the whole team for a player.

Wow. That's totally on point. The Nuggets want a deal like the Nets were offering.

The message that I take from this quote is no deal unless the Nuggets dramatically lower their asking price.

Yup, gotta love Donnie. He's going to get criticized for not making a move right now, but he's doing the wise thing regardless, refusing to do something out of desperation.

[moocow007]

"If we can make the team better, I'll try to do that," Walsh said. "If you can't make the team better, why would you do the deal. I don't want to do a deal for the sake of doing a deal. I don't want to give up the whole team for a player.

Wow. That's totally on point. The Nuggets want a deal like the Nets were offering.

The message that I take from this quote is no deal unless the Nuggets dramatically lower their asking price.

Yeah pretty much. And if I were Walsh I would make sure that Ujiri understands that the longer this takes the less I'm including (since it really doesn't work in the Knicks advantage to drag this uncertainty out for a month, as their recent play seems to indicate).

[bigfnjoe96]

It also means, Donnie is looking to make multiple moves @ or before the deadline, as he continues to hammer that we need another BIG..

[MaseInYourFace]

I'm starting to now see the tone in a lot of the national articles change. They just now got the point that it's always been the Knicks for Melo.

[MaseInYourFace]

"If we can make the team better, I'll try to do that," Walsh said. "If you can't make the team better, why would you do the deal. I don't want to do a deal for the sake of doing a deal. I don't want to give up the whole team for a player.
"The question is: 'Is there anything out there that can make you a better team by what you perceive you need?' " Walsh added. "I haven't seen anything I can trade for that would make us a better team right now."
Walsh instead pointed out their greatest need -- a beast of a center.
Marc Gasol is a restricted free agent this summer and on the radar.
"We can use another big guy, that's for sure," Walsh said. "I usually have five 4's and 5's and we have three on this team. I haven't told any of you all year we have every position covered."
In assessing his big men, Walsh said he no longer includes Anthony Randolph or Eddy Curry because "they don't play."If they sign Anthony as a free agent, it could come at the cost of restricted free agent Wilson Chandler, who may not be able to be retained, pending the new Collective Bargaining Agreement. The Knicks have $15 million of cap room in 2011. Under the old CBA, Chandler, if they don't renounce his rights, would have a $8 million cap hold. However, they can open up another $3 million if they trade Randolph for a first-round pick and another $4 million if Ronny Turiaf opts out of the final year of his contract.
Walsh said the uncertainty of the CBA could lead him to do a deadline deal.
Asked about the worry of waiting for summer, Walsh said: "Comfortable? I'm comfortable we'll be better off than a lot of other guys. We're below the cap now and proportionally if the cap goes down, the value of the players goes down, payrolls go down. We'll still be in a good position that way. But it may be a factor."
The Knicks' leverage prompted an anonymous general manager to say Sunday in a Sporting News item that Anthony eventually winding up a Knick is "inevitable."
Walsh said he wouldn't comment because the GM didn't put his name to it.
"What general manager was quoted?" Walsh asked. "Because you're going to quote me on my answer. So which general manager was quoted? When they put their name behind it, then I'll answer it."


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I love this guy.

Ouch I take that as a sign Walsh isn't as high on AR as he once was.

[aggo]

AR doesnt shoot well enough to play on the wings

and AR isn't strong enough to be a 1on1 finisher in the paint

so where does that leave him?

he's got to get it in his head that until he puts on more weight, he has to become a role player/energy guy who isnt looking for his own cake.

[2ThouTeninator]

"If we can make the team better, I'll try to do that," Walsh said. "If you can't make the team better, why would you do the deal. I don't want to do a deal for the sake of doing a deal. I don't want to give up the whole team for a player.
"The question is: 'Is there anything out there that can make you a better team by what you perceive you need?' " Walsh added. "I haven't seen anything I can trade for that would make us a better team right now."
Walsh instead pointed out their greatest need -- a beast of a center.
Marc Gasol is a restricted free agent this summer and on the radar.
"We can use another big guy, that's for sure," Walsh said. "I usually have five 4's and 5's and we have three on this team. I haven't told any of you all year we have every position covered."
In assessing his big men, Walsh said he no longer includes Anthony Randolph or Eddy Curry because "they don't play."If they sign Anthony as a free agent, it could come at the cost of restricted free agent Wilson Chandler, who may not be able to be retained, pending the new Collective Bargaining Agreement. The Knicks have $15 million of cap room in 2011. Under the old CBA, Chandler, if they don't renounce his rights, would have a $8 million cap hold. However, they can open up another $3 million if they trade Randolph for a first-round pick and another $4 million if Ronny Turiaf opts out of the final year of his contract.
Walsh said the uncertainty of the CBA could lead him to do a deadline deal.
Asked about the worry of waiting for summer, Walsh said: "Comfortable? I'm comfortable we'll be better off than a lot of other guys. We're below the cap now and proportionally if the cap goes down, the value of the players goes down, payrolls go down. We'll still be in a good position that way. But it may be a factor."
The Knicks' leverage prompted an anonymous general manager to say Sunday in a Sporting News item that Anthony eventually winding up a Knick is "inevitable."
Walsh said he wouldn't comment because the GM didn't put his name to it.
"What general manager was quoted?" Walsh asked. "Because you're going to quote me on my answer. So which general manager was quoted? When they put their name behind it, then I'll answer it."


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I love this guy.

Ouch I take that as a sign Walsh isn't as high on AR as he once was.

So who are the 3 he's counting: Turiaf, Amar'e and Moz?

[nykfan70]

A clip of a new article from Sheriden.

Source: Nuggets Being 'Polite' to Knicks

Posted: 1/25/2011 5:51:00 AM
Source: Chris Sheridan of ESPNNewYork

The Nuggets are being "polite" to the Knicks in their discussions regarding an Anthony trade, a league source told ESPN.com, but it seems Denver wants to see how it fares on a critical five-game Eastern road swing in which they will face nothing but bottom-feeders -- the Wizards on Tuesday, followed by the Pistons, Cavaliers, Sixers and Nets.

A 5-0 trip would make the Nuggets 30-18 and strengthen their hold on a playoff spot, which could prompt them to call Anthony's bluff, refuse to trade him, take their chances in the postseason and then see if he really has the guts to turn down the $65 million extension that is sitting on the table, along with the $18 million he is under contract to earn next season, and become an unrestricted free agent going into a summer in which, because of the NBA's unsettled labor situation, no one yet knows what the financial landscape will look like.

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&id=6056149
Denver willing to play this out to the bitter end, it's a gutsy move, it could pay off or they lose their Star player, let's see what happens.

[Pharmcat]

1) M Gasol is not coming unless one offers a max contract....Mem will match the going rate for C (5 yrs 65 mill)

2) How does donnie define better? better this year? or better long term? getting melo may hurt this year, but long term imo its the right move to make better

3) I really hope he is posturing for more leverage

4) what 3 4 and 5s does this team have? its just Turiaf and Amare....btw, I totally agree with having 5 4s and 5s...the way UTAH has fesenko, elson, okur backing up jefferson and millsap

5) Chandler QO is too expensive, he needs to be moved this deadline, melo trade or not

[god shammgod]

1) M Gasol is not coming unless one offers a max contract....Mem will match the going rate for C (5 yrs 65 mill)

2) How does donnie define better? better this year? or better long term? getting melo may hurt this year, but long term imo its the right move to make better

3) I really hope he is posturing for more leverage

4) what 3 4 and 5s does this team have? its just Turiaf and Amare....btw, I totally agree with having 5 4s and 5s...the way UTAH has fesenko, elson, okur backing up jefferson and millsap

5) Chandler QO is too expensive, he needs to be moved this deadline, melo trade or not

i believe he is posturing. if he cared nothing about melo he could easily make a small move for another big or pg. why hasn't he ? obviously because he doesn't want to us an asset he might need for a melo trade.

[god shammgod]

A clip of a new article from Sheriden.

Source: Nuggets Being 'Polite' to Knicks

Posted: 1/25/2011 5:51:00 AM
Source: Chris Sheridan of ESPNNewYork

The Nuggets are being "polite" to the Knicks in their discussions regarding an Anthony trade, a league source told ESPN.com, but it seems Denver wants to see how it fares on a critical five-game Eastern road swing in which they will face nothing but bottom-feeders -- the Wizards on Tuesday, followed by the Pistons, Cavaliers, Sixers and Nets.

A 5-0 trip would make the Nuggets 30-18 and strengthen their hold on a playoff spot, which could prompt them to call Anthony's bluff, refuse to trade him, take their chances in the postseason and then see if he really has the guts to turn down the $65 million extension that is sitting on the table, along with the $18 million he is under contract to earn next season, and become an unrestricted free agent going into a summer in which, because of the NBA's unsettled labor situation, no one yet knows what the financial landscape will look like.

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&id=6056149
Denver willing to play this out to the bitter end, it's a gutsy move, it could pay off or they lose their Star player, let's see what happens.

they'll fold before the deadline

[cgmw]

A clip of a new article from Sheriden.

Source: Nuggets Being 'Polite' to Knicks

Posted: 1/25/2011 5:51:00 AM
Source: Chris Sheridan of ESPNNewYork

The Nuggets are being "polite" to the Knicks in their discussions regarding an Anthony trade, a league source told ESPN.com, but it seems Denver wants to see how it fares on a critical five-game Eastern road swing in which they will face nothing but bottom-feeders -- the Wizards on Tuesday, followed by the Pistons, Cavaliers, Sixers and Nets.

A 5-0 trip would make the Nuggets 30-18 and strengthen their hold on a playoff spot, which could prompt them to call Anthony's bluff, refuse to trade him, take their chances in the postseason and then see if he really has the guts to turn down the $65 million extension that is sitting on the table, along with the $18 million he is under contract to earn next season, and become an unrestricted free agent going into a summer in which, because of the NBA's unsettled labor situation, no one yet knows what the financial landscape will look like.

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&id=6056149
Denver willing to play this out to the bitter end, it's a gutsy move, it could pay off or they lose their Star player, let's see what happens.

they'll fold before the deadline

If I'm the Denver GM, I almost certainly play it out and call Melo's bluff. Unless I get a trade offer I can't refuse, why would I deal him when there'll be so much pressure on him to re-sign in late June?

Do I really need Gallinari? No. I need the chance to re-sign Carmelo.

[god shammgod]

If I'm the Denver GM, I almost certainly play it out and call Melo's bluff. Unless I get a trade offer I can't refuse, why would I deal him when there'll be so much pressure on him to re-sign in late June?

Do I really need Gallinari? No. I need the chance to re-sign Carmelo.

melo is not resigning there man and they already know this. they brought in a gm with the sole purpose of not having him walk for nothing. they're not going to allow themselves a chance of that happening.

[seren]

I think both mentalities are wrong. Calling the bluff or shipping him out for the best. The right mentality for any GM, but especially for a team like Denver, should be as follows:

"I want a ring. Not next year. Now. I am going to do whatever it takes to maximize the likelihood of my team to win a ring this year."

Denver has a lot going for them. Had they made the commitment and some right moves, I don't see how they wouldn't be able to compete with the best of them.

[god shammgod]

I think both mentalities are wrong. Calling the bluff or shipping him out for the best. The right mentality for any GM, but especially for a team like Denver, should be as follows:

"I want a ring. Not next year. Now. I am going to do whatever it takes to maximize the likelihood of my team to win a ring this year."

Denver has a lot going for them. Had they made the commitment and some right moves, I don't see how they wouldn't be able to compete with the best of them.

if denver was willing to make moves to improve they might get carmelo to stay. they're not. the owner has said he's spending too much money and the nuggets have been a charity. that's why he's gone. both nene and jr smith need new contracts besides melo. forget about adding to the team they won't even retain everybody.

[Jmonty580]

If I'm the Denver GM, I almost certainly play it out and call Melo's bluff. Unless I get a trade offer I can't refuse, why would I deal him when there'll be so much pressure on him to re-sign in late June?

Do I really need Gallinari? No. I need the chance to re-sign Carmelo.

Honestly as a Knick fan thats what I want to happen. I highly doubt that Melo has all this crap going on just so that Denver could call his bluff and make him play out the rest of his season with Denver before leaving. I think if for nothing else, out of spite he might leave Denver without signing a conract with them in a sign and trade so that they get nothing for him. If he is going to NY, he wants them to have as many assets as possible to help him win and to possibly to get another big name peice if need be. I think most people understand he's not staying in Denver. Best case for Denver is he stays and they can still work out a sign and trade in the offseason but thats a crazy risky move to make imo.

[Context]

1) M Gasol is not coming unless one offers a max contract....Mem will match the going rate for C (5 yrs 65 mill)

2) How does donnie define better? better this year? or better long term? getting melo may hurt this year, but long term imo its the right move to make better

3) I really hope he is posturing for more leverage

4) what 3 4 and 5s does this team have? its just Turiaf and Amare....btw, I totally agree with having 5 4s and 5s...the way UTAH has fesenko, elson, okur backing up jefferson and millsap

5) Chandler QO is too expensive, he needs to be moved this deadline, melo trade or not

1. I would love to have Marc but, from a cap standpoint, not prudent to use up the 13 mill- when you need another super star- for the super team that we are trying to build. And like you stated -Memphis will match...

2.Great question. I hope it's long term. It better be...

3.At this point, I really don't believe Denver is going to trade him. From their POV it's more valuable to make the play-offs. I'm sure they've realized at this point they can only trade him to NY and Donnie's not going to give them what they want. I think the only way a trade goes down is if the Nuggets have a bad losing streak starting now.

4. Don't sleep on Mozz Pharm. Read up on this guy. Donnie and company pulled a fast one on the teams around the league when they got him. Donnie and company expect Mozz to be our center in the very near future. And from what I've read- once he makes that adjustment- look out...

5. I agree 2000%. Look, if the Hornets can get 2 first round picks for Morris Peterson why can't we, for a 23 years old Chandler -who will be under the control of whatever team that acquires him. Now's the perfect time. I love Chandler but we have to move him.

[MaseInYourFace]

Denver would be dumb if they did that. The damage has been done. SEll your asset while you can still get something good for it. THis reminds me of people who had a chance to sell their homes before the house market took a nosedive but refused.

[onlyonesharky]

Report on ESPN TV stating that Clippers may be in the mix and that Carmelo camp is intrigued with the idea of Carmelo joining Blake.

[Jmonty580]

Denver would be dumb if they did that. The damage has been done. SEll your asset while you can still get something good for it. THis reminds me of people who had a chance to sell their homes before the house market took a nosedive but refused.

lol sounds about exactly the same. We sold our home in the middle of it. We took a loss, but had we waited longer we woulda taken a bigger loss or it woulda been so much of a loss that we woulda had to stay there or try to rent it out which woulda been a pain.

At some point you have to weigh your options, consider the consequences of whatever actions you take and make a decision. For Denver its really pretty simple imo, they'd take a loss dealing Melo now and it would hurt, but its far less damaging than holding onto him until the season is over.