Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford?

[TrueWarrior]

What makes you think Douglas is more of a PG than Jamal? Because hes shorter? They both averaged about the same assists but Jamal has better handles and more experience. I also remember him hooking up alot of lobs back in the day. Listen neither of them are PGs and we're in trouble either way if we are going to rely on them to set up our offense, but Jamal is just better overall imo. All last season we were begging to get a backup PG to replace Douglas, and now people think hes okay to start? We'll see what happens.

Douglas has actually played big minutes at point guard recently. When was the last time Crawford played point guard for any extended amount of time in a game?

Im pretty sure Jamal played alot of minutes alongside Joe Johnson. They would go on and off who would set up the offense. Jamal def played some point here and there. Jamal is a combo guard, which means he can play both positions. Usually combo guard these days just means undersized SG, and thats usually right, but Jamal has played PG in the past.

But again lets please not act like just because Toney played some point that makes him more qualified. We all cringed whenever Toney would dribble the ball around for 20 seconds because he couldnt create or see anything. Jamal at least has the ability to make things happen. Toney was abysmal running our team alot of the time, and would kill our momentum in a heartbeat.

Im torn on this but gun to my head give me Jamal.

[Knicker23]

There's no similarity between them. Bibby is someone we were able to pick up without losing anything in the process or hindering any other moves. It's all upside. Douglas for Crawford is a decision to be made that has pros and cons.

Again... I'm not talking about the way in which the said player is obtained... I'm talking about the mindset behind acquiring said player.. In which case, yes there is a similarity... In that we'd have no real interest in either prior to signing Chandler, but now that we have, and are in a different mode, both become more attractive.... Whether one costs players or not.

The mindset behind acquiring them should be quite different, since one had no downside, and the other is a decision that has pros and cons.

Pros and cons are only being weighed on here... Doubt there's much being debated about in the Knicks office so strongly pursuing this.

[Thugger HBC]

Crawford is not going to be sixth man behind Fields, who is a small forward, or Shumpert, who is a rookie. Crawford would start.

What gives you that assumption?

I think the 2 guard spot is for Fields to lose.

I'd rather think Grunwald is looking at Crawford who just so happen to hire his former coach, as a sixth man like Woodson utilized him at.

That makes far more sense.

It's just obvious that if we trade for Crawford and our options for starter at SG are Crawford, who is a natural shooting guard, Fields, who is a small forward, and Shumpert, who is a rookie, then Crawford will be our starting shooting guard.

It's more obvious his former coach is bringing guys who knows, and knows how to use them.

[KnicksFan007]

Who cares, they won't have the ball.

My thinking is if they get Crawford, he goes sixth man, and we still have the mini mle for a pg.

I thinking folks are taking "starter" too serious.

It's minute management, just because a player starts means virtually nothing.

Crawford is not going to be sixth man behind Fields, who is a small forward, or Shumpert, who is a rookie. Crawford would start.

D'antoni isn't going to do that. The Knicks know Jamal's value and it's off the bench. Takes alot of pressure off of Melo and Amare and gives them more rest.

Shumpert maybe an unknown but a Shumpert/Crawford backcourt is a legit combo for a bench squad. I don't see why it would be a problem when the Hawks got to the 2nd round with Teague and Crawford off the bench.

Also, the people who claim Crawford is not needed here doesn't seem to realize the Bulls couldn't guard him AND Joe Johnson at the sametime which is why the Hawks didn't get swept like they did in the regular season.

He has alot of value to the league and teams would have trouble guarding him especially if he's on the floor with the starters if need be.

[Falstaffxx]

Pros and cons are only being weighed on here... Doubt there's much being debated about in the Knicks office so strongly pursuing this.

And where are we? "Here" or in the Knicks front office?

[Falstaffxx]

Who cares, they won't have the ball.

My thinking is if they get Crawford, he goes sixth man, and we still have the mini mle for a pg.

I thinking folks are taking "starter" too serious.

It's minute management, just because a player starts means virtually nothing.

Crawford is not going to be sixth man behind Fields, who is a small forward, or Shumpert, who is a rookie. Crawford would start.

D'antoni isn't going to do that. The Knicks know Jamal's value and it's off the bench. Takes alot of pressure off of Melo and Amare and gives them more rest.

Shumpert maybe an unknown but a Shumpert/Crawford backcourt is a legit combo for a bench squad. I don't see why it would be a problem when the Hawks got to the 2nd round with Teague and Crawford off the bench.

Also, the people who claim Crawford is not needed here doesn't seem to realize the Bulls couldn't guard him AND Joe Johnson at the sametime which is why the Hawks didn't get swept like they did in the regular season.

He has alot of value to the league and teams would have trouble guarding him especially if he's on the floor with the starters if need be.

Crawford's value is "off the bench" when that's the best fit for him with your roster. For our roster, Crawford's value is as starting shooting guard.

[Manhattan Project]

The only reason I don't want Crawford is because we have to commit more than 1 year.

This will seriously hurt the development of Shumpert as he will see less PT.

This is a legit concern, though it also goes to show that we have no idea of how Shumpert or Crawford would be used. I mean I think we can still see those three guard rotations because of how tall these two are, but who knows really.

[Thugger HBC]

Again... I'm not talking about the way in which the said player is obtained... I'm talking about the mindset behind acquiring said player.. In which case, yes there is a similarity... In that we'd have no real interest in either prior to signing Chandler, but now that we have, and are in a different mode, both become more attractive.... Whether one costs players or not.

The mindset behind acquiring them should be quite different, since one had no downside, and the other is a decision that has pros and cons.

Pros and cons are only being weighed on here... Doubt there's much being debated about in the Knicks office so strongly pursuing this.

That's because they are building a contender, whereas on here, folks are fighting it.

[KnicksFan007]

No one knows how we'll use Shumpert even if we keep Douglas and sign JJ because that's even more log jam.

If Crawford comes and Doug, Walker, Balkman go then that atleast opens more time for Shumpert either way.

[Falstaffxx]

The mindset behind acquiring them should be quite different, since one had no downside, and the other is a decision that has pros and cons.

Pros and cons are only being weighed on here... Doubt there's much being debated about in the Knicks office so strongly pursuing this.

That's because they are building a contender, whereas on here, folks are fighting it.

That's right, I don't want us to have a contender.

[Knicker23]

Pros and cons are only being weighed on here... Doubt there's much being debated about in the Knicks office so strongly pursuing this.

And where are we? "Here" or in the Knicks front office?

Here as in amongst Knicks fans.. Seems like it wasn't ever much of a question for the Knicks organization, only judging by how strongly and quickly they're pursuing him, and how it was Atlanta that initially balked but is now listening again.

[Red Vines]

JCrossover Jamal Crawford
"@nate_robinson: @JCrossover u going back to Ur old stomp n grounds ?"---never know bro!! This whole process is crazy!

[Thugger HBC]

Crawford is not going to be sixth man behind Fields, who is a small forward, or Shumpert, who is a rookie. Crawford would start.

D'antoni isn't going to do that. The Knicks know Jamal's value and it's off the bench. Takes alot of pressure off of Melo and Amare and gives them more rest.

Shumpert maybe an unknown but a Shumpert/Crawford backcourt is a legit combo for a bench squad. I don't see why it would be a problem when the Hawks got to the 2nd round with Teague and Crawford off the bench.

Also, the people who claim Crawford is not needed here doesn't seem to realize the Bulls couldn't guard him AND Joe Johnson at the sametime which is why the Hawks didn't get swept like they did in the regular season.

He has alot of value to the league and teams would have trouble guarding him especially if he's on the floor with the starters if need be.

Crawford's value is "off the bench" when that's the best fit for him with your roster. For our roster, Crawford's value is as starting shooting guard.

No it's not, Crawford will stabilize the second unit when one of our scoring guns hits the bench, most likely Melo, since he can handle the rock while he sits.

What purpose does Crawford serve as the starting 2 guard? he won't get the touches he is best with if he starts.

Let Woodson runs this part, I think he knows just a little bit more.

[Falstaffxx]

No one knows how we'll use Shumpert even if we keep Douglas and sign JJ because that's even more log jam.

If Crawford comes and Doug, Walker, Balkman go then that atleast opens more time for Shumpert either way.

That trade doesn't open up more time for Shumpert. If anything it reduces it, since we'd have Crawford at the 2 and we'd probably be bringing in another point guard unless Bibby is going to play big minutes.

[neuroticomic2]

Im good either way on this though. Jamal and Toney are very close when you factor in age, defense, and 3pt shooting going in Toneys favor. You dont know Toney could surprise us as the 3rd option. He will never be a true PG but perhaps his injury last year really hampered him. I just think Jamal is better, and Toney's defense is getting overrated now.

Jamal went for 23, 25, 23, and 25 ptsin the first 4 games of the Magic series in only about 30 minutes. Meanwhile Dougie completely folded against Boston on both ends. Crawford had a sh*tty series against the BUlls but then again so did his whole team. This would be the biggest swaying point for me. Crawford is just more ready to win now and is more of a reliable scoring option to handle the load in big games. Get rid of the stigma of his time in NY, no matter how deep it is, and see Crawoford for who he is. One of the best 6th men in the league.

hey! we don't need that sensible logic up in here! :0

but yea, after sleeping on it. i am down.

crawford will be here in a totally different scenario then last time with the NY Marburys.

[Falstaffxx]

Crawford's value is "off the bench" when that's the best fit for him with your roster. For our roster, Crawford's value is as starting shooting guard.

No it's not, Crawford will stabilize the second unit when one of our scoring guns hits the bench, most likely Melo, since he can handle the rock while he sits.

What purpose does Crawford serve as the starting 2 guard? he won't get the touches he is best with if he starts.

Let Woodson runs this part, I think he knows just a little bit more.

Fields will not start at shooting guard if we have a pure shooting guard on the roster. Fields is better suited to the 3. Crawford would start at the 2.

[cgmw]

If the Knicks get Jamal back, will we get jcbigsis back?

[Knicker23]

JCrossover Jamal Crawford
"@nate_robinson: @JCrossover u going back to Ur old stomp n grounds ?"---never know bro!! This whole process is crazy!

hahah Nate wants back in... (no)

[Falstaffxx]

Pros and cons are only being weighed on here... Doubt there's much being debated about in the Knicks office so strongly pursuing this.

And where are we? "Here" or in the Knicks front office?

Here as in amongst Knicks fans.. Seems like it wasn't ever much of a question for the Knicks organization, only judging by how strongly and quickly they're pursuing him, and how it was Atlanta that initially balked but is now listening again.

But you're just saying "it's going to happen anyhow so why bother disagreeing with it?" Okay...

[Rasho Brezec]

I just don't see how Crawford can be effective in helping a team win, starting or being the 6th man. He doesn't know how to play if he doesn't have the ball in his hands. 44% of his FG's come from someone else passing him, league average for SG's is 58%. Jason Terry, the ultimate 6th man for example, has 60% of his FG assisted with better shooting percentages.