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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 247 Jon Jones vs undefeated Dominick Reyes on Saturday 

Post#641 » by j4remi » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:47 pm

newyorker4ever wrote:Really excited for that Vannata vs Medieros which should be a fun stand up fight of two guys that that love to stand and bang and throw crazy kicks and whatever else. Both also have good ground games but would rather stand. C.Anderson has an unbelievable chin and great stand up and wrestling and Blachowitz has good hands so should also be a good fight and as you said he lost the 1st fight so he knows he has to win this one. I thought Andersons last fight against the up and coming Johhny Walker was gonna be a good one but Anderson looked great and TKO'd him in the 1st round.

It's one of those cards that aren't the best looking on paper but those are usually the cards that have the best fights.

I'm actually looking forward to the next card cause i wanna see that P.Felder vs Dan Hooker which i would think will be another stand up war.

UFC 248 now is on another level as long as Romero makes weight. That whole card is great on paper.

I don't know about anyone else but me and my buddies are really missing FS1 having the fights. This streaming crap sucks. I hate when it goes blurry cause of course we like to be our own judges during fights but when it goes blurry of course you can't see if a strike was significant or not. It has gotten better but still happens once in a while. Also miss being able to watch the post fight show right there on FS1 after the fights at 1:00am. We use Firestick and it's just annoying all the buffering and crap you gotta go through to get to them. The whole thing annoys us but ESPN is paying the UFC so much damn money to have them that we're pretty sure it's something we'll just have to deal with for a while.


That Felder vs Hooker fight is gonna be flames. Those two are gonna scrap and managed to turn it into a legit dislike for one another. It's one of those fights where I really like both guys and that makes it hard for me to pick a winner. But it's got FotN written all over it.

Agreed on 248 too, not a single bad fight on the main card and the prelim has a couple of really fire bouts.

I've been using the app through Roku and I have to stop the event and restart it two or three times per event because it gets choppy. Definitely a frustrating thing to have the fight skip a bit or the screen go muddy, especially when we're paying for the app on top of buying the PPV.

Also on that Gus tip, my brother used to always feel Gus won that first match. Jones in a rematch is a completely different animal though, I'm betting he'd come in heavier and actually make similar adjustments to the Gus rematch speaking of. Dom probably won't be able to set up the anglular movement that set up his leg kicks if Jones makes him come forward. I really want to see how Adesanya handles Romero before I speak on the Jones superfight. I want to see how his wrestling holds up, I think he's a legitimate threat to Jones depending on how he wears the 205...he's got the frame for it but then you'd think Max has the frame for 155 too.
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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 247 Jon Jones vs undefeated Dominick Reyes on Saturday 

Post#642 » by j4remi » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:48 pm

Speaking of Adesanya,


He is rapidly ascending my favorite fighters list.
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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 247 Jon Jones vs undefeated Dominick Reyes on Saturday 

Post#643 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:17 am

I'm getting stoked for this fight. I don't profess to be an expert at boxing these days but I did back in its hey-day. I do remember always having a lot of respect for Ted Atlas and Mike's first crew. I remember them all be described as straight shooters who had Mike's interest at heart first. I hope nothing's change in that regard.

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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 247 Jon Jones vs undefeated Dominick Reyes on Saturday 

Post#644 » by bringbackhoffa » Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:19 pm

Santos getting screwed by the UFC, they want him to face Johnny Walker which would be a huge step down for him
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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 247 Jon Jones vs undefeated Dominick Reyes on Saturday 

Post#645 » by j4remi » Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:19 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:I'm getting stoked for this fight. I don't profess to be an expert at boxing these days but I did back in its hey-day. I do remember always having a lot of respect for Ted Atlas and Mike's first crew. I remember them all be described as straight shooters who had Mike's interest at heart first. I hope nothing's change in that regard.

Teddy's take on the fight.



I think I'm gonna miss this one which frustrates me because I've been on the Wilder bandwagon for a very long time and I'm really excited to see how he adjusts to someone as tricky as Fury. A lot of heads can't stand his style because it's not pretty, but I'll take that efficacy and focus on finishing all day. I also think Wilder is a worse match-up for Joshua than Fury since he's got more pop.

I'm on the fence about who takes this bout though. Wilder looks better in his rematches but not different, partially because his opponents haven't required him to change in his rematches. Fury could use some adjustments for sure. Teddy mentioned switching to an uppercut after the jab but I'd suggest just stepping in and leaning on the guy. Every time he ducks in, put your weight on his head and back to slow him down and force uncomfortable clinches...but Teddy's the expert and I'm basically just saying make it a bit dirty.
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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 247 Jon Jones vs undefeated Dominick Reyes on Saturday 

Post#646 » by j4remi » Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:21 pm

bringbackhoffa wrote:Santos getting screwed by the UFC, they want him to face Johnny Walker which would be a huge step down for him


I get why though...I'd like to see Santos is back before rushing a rematch because it'll be his only shot (almost no one gets a second rematch after losing two fights to a guy). Plus it'd buy time to get comfortable on his repaired knees. Rashad was on Rogan's podcast talking about the mental and physical recovery he needed after two knee surgeries which has this present in my mind.
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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 247 Jon Jones vs undefeated Dominick Reyes on Saturday 

Post#647 » by newyorker4ever » Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:27 pm

bringbackhoffa wrote:Santos getting screwed by the UFC, they want him to face Johnny Walker which would be a huge step down for him


I wouldn't call it a huge step down just because J.Walker was legit running through guys until he went against C.Anderson.
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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 247 Jon Jones vs undefeated Dominick Reyes on Saturday 

Post#648 » by bringbackhoffa » Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:31 pm

newyorker4ever wrote:
bringbackhoffa wrote:Santos getting screwed by the UFC, they want him to face Johnny Walker which would be a huge step down for him


I wouldn't call it a huge step down just because J.Walker was legit running through guys until he went against C.Anderson.


it is a massive step down, Walker is not in the top 10, has never beaten anyone in the top 10 and got crushed by Anderson who just got knocked out by Jan.

if it is not a rematch with Jones, it should be on the same card where Jones faces Jan, and then Santos face Reyes with the winner getting an immediate shot at the LHW title
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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 247 Jon Jones vs undefeated Dominick Reyes on Saturday 

Post#649 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Feb 19, 2020 7:39 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:I'm getting stoked for this fight. I don't profess to be an expert at boxing these days but I did back in its hey-day. I do remember always having a lot of respect for Ted Atlas and Mike's first crew. I remember them all be described as straight shooters who had Mike's interest at heart first. I hope nothing's change in that regard.

Teddy's take on the fight.



I think I'm gonna miss this one which frustrates me because I've been on the Wilder bandwagon for a very long time and I'm really excited to see how he adjusts to someone as tricky as Fury. A lot of heads can't stand his style because it's not pretty, but I'll take that efficacy and focus on finishing all day. I also think Wilder is a worse match-up for Joshua than Fury since he's got more pop.

I'm on the fence about who takes this bout though. Wilder looks better in his rematches but not different, partially because his opponents haven't required him to change in his rematches. Fury could use some adjustments for sure. Teddy mentioned switching to an uppercut after the jab but I'd suggest just stepping in and leaning on the guy. Every time he ducks in, put your weight on his head and back to slow him down and force uncomfortable clinches...but Teddy's the expert and I'm basically just saying make it a bit dirty.


When Deontay first came on the scene, I was like "Finally!" The only question was who's he gonna fight because I didn't see too many other HWs who could stop this kid. Fury may be that type of fighter, I'm not sure. I just can't imagine any fighter going the full fight while evading that right hand. But Fury throws a lot angles and combinations and will be ready to pounce if he sees that he's stunned Wilder.

And then there is mind game going on. I think Fury "most definitely" is in Wilder's head and it'll be fun to watch the antics that will "most definitely" be going on in the ring on fight night.
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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 247 Jon Jones vs undefeated Dominick Reyes on Saturday 

Post#650 » by Susan » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:25 pm

Yo, I came here to look for a Thibs thread but y'all are some knowledgeable MMA fans!

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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 247 Jon Jones vs undefeated Dominick Reyes on Saturday 

Post#651 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:34 am

Susan wrote:Yo, I came here to look for a Thibs thread but y'all are some knowledgeable MMA fans!

Come by the MMA board sometime, we're a small community but it's a good squad!



It's Susan! Welcome to the thread. I can vouch for Susan who I know from the RealGM MMA/Boxing Forum and she is most definitely a very knowledge fight fan. Glad you found us.

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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 247 Jon Jones vs undefeated Dominick Reyes on Saturday 

Post#652 » by Susan » Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:59 am

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Susan wrote:Yo, I came here to look for a Thibs thread but y'all are some knowledgeable MMA fans!

Come by the MMA board sometime, we're a small community but it's a good squad!



It's Susan! Welcome to the thread. I can vouch for Susan who I know from the RealGM MMA/Boxing Forum and she is most definitely a very knowledge fight fan. Glad you found us.

All sorts of wild shenanigans go on around here on a frequent basis. :D


lmao I'm actually a dude and I train BJJ. I lost a bet after the 2007 Bulls season. I was hoping you guys had a thread on Thibs but no dice. I'm pretty sure he'd bring the feel of the 90s Knicks back to your city.

I'm really into this Fury/Wilder fight this weekend. Love both of their stories.
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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 247 Jon Jones vs undefeated Dominick Reyes on Saturday 

Post#653 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:09 am

Susan wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Susan wrote:Yo, I came here to look for a Thibs thread but y'all are some knowledgeable MMA fans!

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It's Susan! Welcome to the thread. I can vouch for Susan who I know from the RealGM MMA/Boxing Forum and she is most definitely a very knowledge fight fan. Glad you found us.

All sorts of wild shenanigans go on around here on a frequent basis. :D


lmao I'm actually a dude and I train BJJ. I lost a bet after the 2007 Bulls season. I was hoping you guys had a thread on Thibs but no dice. I'm pretty sure he'd bring the feel of the 90s Knicks back to your city.

I'm really into this Fury/Wilder fight this weekend. Love both of their stories.


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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 247 Jon Jones vs undefeated Dominick Reyes on Saturday 

Post#654 » by j4remi » Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:07 pm

Susan wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:It's Susan! Welcome to the thread. I can vouch for Susan who I know from the RealGM MMA/Boxing Forum and she is most definitely a very knowledge fight fan. Glad you found us.

All sorts of wild shenanigans go on around here on a frequent basis. :D


lmao I'm actually a dude and I train BJJ. I lost a bet after the 2007 Bulls season. I was hoping you guys had a thread on Thibs but no dice. I'm pretty sure he'd bring the feel of the 90s Knicks back to your city.

I'm really into this Fury/Wilder fight this weekend. Love both of their stories.


Welcome to the thread, I'll have to drop in on the MMA forum for sure. Speaking of BJJ though, shameless plug, my podcast is usually on a variety of topics but we had a long time friend come in and talk to us about his over a decade long journey from BJJ white belt to black belt. It's one of my favorite episodes we've ever records and I shout it out whenever I see a BJJ fan.

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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: Wilder/Fury 2 and Fight Night 168 

Post#655 » by j4remi » Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:16 pm

So the Fury/Wilder fight was a fantastic example of shifting strategies for a rematch. I did not expect Fury to switch up entirely and fight a pressure fight but it exposed Wilder having no experience fighting on his backfoot. The extra weight made the clinching and power work really well too. That was a consummate performance and I don't think we actually need a rematch. But considering Wilder gave Fury a chance to come back from a dark place, I'm not mad at clause...Now the excuses for losing from Wilder? Not a fan. I'd prefer an introspective look but that could still be going on behind the scenes.

Other results, Hooker got the nod over Felder but a lot of heads felt that was a bad call by the judges (again). Hooker started with all the steam but by the third round, Felder was having much more success and by the close of the fight it felt like Felder was in control. It was too close to call a robbery but I do feel like Felder always winds up on the wrong end of close fights (Masvidal was an example until he started knocking everybody out). In terms of just entertainment, it was great. These guys went for it and level changes seemed to wear on Hooker late but his accuracy up top was impressive early. Both guys left it all out there.

The other fight I was hype for, Hill vs Lookboonme also lived up to the hype imo. They showed off a ton of striking, scored a take down each and we got some interesting clinch work. Hill imposed size and length, pressing Lookboonme in and then doing some damage on breaks. The takedown and clinch threats helped her overhand right find a home repeatedly. Loma actually adjusted by stepping in and adding her own aggression. So that led to some beautiful striking and interesting clinches. You could tell Lookboonme is used to Atomweights though, Hill was too technically gifted to lose the clinch battles (generally at least). I think Loma can go back with her head high off a split decision L to one of the hottest fighters in the division. She needs some time to keep developing her MMA all around game and also to scale up her weight and strength.

This week...we get Joe Benavidez who has deserved a title shot for years now vs Deveison Figuieredo. Figuieredo is the most exciting striking at 125 the UFC has imo and I edge him over Sergio Pettis who beat Benavidez. But Joe just finished Jussier Formiga who is the sole guy to beat Deveison. So the mma math is weird here and this is why...Deveison lost because Formiga could threaten takedowns and control the ground game. Benavidez lost to Pettis because the more athletic striker was too good to takedown. So we know what these guys both need to do straight away. Joe needs to mix grappling attempts and level changes into his offense while Figuieredo needs to stay on his feet while controlling distance.

So distance management is my key point in this fight. It's a BW title fight that's well deserved for both. I'm rooting for Benavidez to win, he'd been DC to Mighty Mouse or Tate to Rousey for years. Since his chance came post-Mighty Mouse, he's watched a guy he'd beaten hold the belt and fight outside of the division. But Deveison is the prime, explosive type that mimics a lot of Sergio Pettis' strengths. So now I'm really nervous. Picking Joe to wear things down and win off grappling late. But I'm not particularly confident picking either way. This is a really good fight fam!

We also have Felicia Spencer who showed heart and grit vs Cyborg plus has a ton of potential. The real highlight fight is Cutelaba vs Ankalaev though...both guys are bullies in there, KO types that overpower most. So we'll get an interesting clash of wills. Also the promising Luis Pena is at the top of the prelims. He's massive for 155 and still building up his skillset. Dude is an intriguing prospect for sure. Aalon Cruz is a Contender Series guy with a highlight KO there, it's been a mixed bag for those fellas in the big league though.
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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: Title shot five years in the making for Benavidez 

Post#656 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:11 pm

Why should Dan Hooker get either Gaethje or Poirier? Hooker arguably lost the last fight to Felder and got the crap kicked out of him by Barboza.
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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: Title shot five years in the making for Benavidez 

Post#657 » by j4remi » Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:37 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:Why should Dan Hooker get either Gaethje or Poirier? Hooker arguably lost the last fight to Felder and got the crap kicked out of him by Barboza.


Rankings games basically. He moved past Cerrone and Felder with the win to 5th. Gaethje got unfairly dropped to 4th after Conor beat Cowboy and Poirier ranked 2 coming off of a loss. If you add in that Tony/Khabib is booked and Conor/Gaethje in the works and suddenly Hooker is the highest ranked opponent Poirier could fight for his comeback from the injury layoff.

But just to throw this in, the rankings are all out of wack. Edson Barboza, Kevin Lee, Islam Makchaev and Carlos Ferreira are better than guys ranked above them. Barboza put a clinic on against Hooker, he's ranked 10th. Lee put a clinic on Barboza, ranked 8th. But Hooker is 5th above both those guys comfortably.

I could make a case for Oliveira (13th ranked) too...he lost to Felder three years ago and has won 6 fights in a row since while. Felder's 2-2 (6th) since then and Cerrone's lost his last three (7th). So the rankings are just sorta sloppy right now because you're better off losing to high ranks than beating low ranks. Examples are Makchaev and Ryan Hall...no one but Lee will fight Islam. Ryan Hall called out the top guys at 155 AND 145, still can't book an opponent in the top 12 of either division.
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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: Title shot five years in the making for Benavidez 

Post#658 » by bringbackhoffa » Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:08 pm

Rankings dont mean anything not sure why they still have them
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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: Title shot five years in the making for Benavidez 

Post#659 » by j4remi » Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:08 pm

bringbackhoffa wrote:Rankings dont mean anything not sure why they still have them


They mean nothing to the fans, but they do help decide fighter salaries (and Reebok deal money on top). It's also caused one fight to be cancelled in recent history. Khabib was supposed to fight Felder at MSG instead of Al Iaquinta but the NYSAC refused to sanction it because of the gap between their ranks :nonono:

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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: Title shot five years in the making for Benavidez 

Post#660 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:09 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:Why should Dan Hooker get either Gaethje or Poirier? Hooker arguably lost the last fight to Felder and got the crap kicked out of him by Barboza.


Rankings games basically. He moved past Cerrone and Felder with the win to 5th. Gaethje got unfairly dropped to 4th after Conor beat Cowboy and Poirier ranked 2 coming off of a loss. If you add in that Tony/Khabib is booked and Conor/Gaethje in the works and suddenly Hooker is the highest ranked opponent Poirier could fight for his comeback from the injury layoff.

But just to throw this in, the rankings are all out of wack. Edson Barboza, Kevin Lee, Islam Makchaev and Carlos Ferreira are better than guys ranked above them. Barboza put a clinic on against Hooker, he's ranked 10th. Lee put a clinic on Barboza, ranked 8th. But Hooker is 5th above both those guys comfortably.

I could make a case for Oliveira (13th ranked) too...he lost to Felder three years ago and has won 6 fights in a row since while. Felder's 2-2 (6th) since then and Cerrone's lost his last three (7th). So the rankings are just sorta sloppy right now because you're better off losing to high ranks than beating low ranks. Examples are Makchaev and Ryan Hall...no one but Lee will fight Islam. Ryan Hall called out the top guys at 155 AND 145, still can't book an opponent in the top 12 of either division.



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