2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath

[Oscirus]

Should we head over to Parler for good ol' fun? They certainly deserve it. I just don't know if I want to expend what's left of my energy on them. I'm really too busy right now complaining about Leon.

Best part of all this is that talk was considered so self-destructive that such talk was banned from parler which is why it showed up on twitter in the first place lolz

Oh, Parler's been around for a while? Never heard of it before all this brouhaha

I have but i avoid that place since id imagine that the toxic talk that is encouraged in that place would hurt my brain. I wonder if any prominent left-wingers frequent and debate in there.

[HarthorneWingo]

Best part of all this is that talk was considered so self-destructive that such talk was banned from parler which is why it showed up on twitter in the first place lolz

Oh, Parler's been around for a while? Never heard of it before all this brouhaha

I have but i avoid that place since id imagine that the toxic talk that is encouraged in that place would hurt my brain. I wonder if any prominent left-wingers frequent and debate in there.

I would think it's an impossible place for that. I haven't found any MAGA-twits interested in facts and/or an intelligent discussion on any issues. Any person who thinks Trump has a clue about anything can't be talked to.

[Phish Tank]

If Biden nominates some Republican senator from blue state to cabinet position, what happens with that seat? If GOP has any party loyalty, that senator must decline, no?

Depends on the state. I think most states the Governor can assign the replacement. So if Biden was smart he would give Richard Burr and Pat Toomey some bull positions like ambassador. They’re retiring any way in 2022 both Pennsylvania and North Carolina have Democratic Governors. You just got 2 more Democratic seats in the Senate and Mitch McConnell can go **** himself.

Toomey/Burr wouldn't accept it and may - most likely - turn against Biden on close call votes, especially with confirmation of cabinet members.

[HarthorneWingo]

Where's BallSac? Isn't it time for him to get another kick in the teeth? I got my cowboy boots at the ready.

[Phish Tank]

Where's BallSac? Isn't it time for him to get another kick in the teeth? I got my cowboy boots at the ready.

must be mackin on Parler.

[Pointgod]

For the sake of argument, lets say he puts a trump supporting republican in a ceremonial position when he's not even doing that for progressives, whats that telling the rest of the world? Like it or not , progressives are still needed, antagonizing them trying to be cute is just stupid

He’s not going to put a Trump supporting Republican in his cabinet. I think he’s just paying that lip service to Republicans, I doubt they’ll be any in important cabinet positions. My question for you is who do you consider Progressive? The term Progressive has been so demagogued that I feel like it’s just a litmus test whether you support Bernie or the Squad. Do you consider Corey Booker Progressive? How about Jay Inslee?

You're sounding like someone from Fox when you use words like "demagogued" and "litmus test" and "Bernie and The Squad" which surely are pejorative descriptions of progressives and the values we support.

You should know the answer to your own question by now. I betcha, if you tried, you could list what we stand for. Go ahead and give it a shot. What is it about progressivism that scares you away from leaning into it?

I’m not scared of Progressivism but I don’t believe that gatekeeping and sloganeering is an effective way of winning or getting people on your side. Let me ask you the same question, do you consider Jay Inslee and Corey Booker Progressive? How about Sherrod Brown?

[Clyde_Style]

Oh, Parler's been around for a while? Never heard of it before all this brouhaha

I have but i avoid that place since id imagine that the toxic talk that is encouraged in that place would hurt my brain. I wonder if any prominent left-wingers frequent and debate in there.

I would think it's an impossible place for that. I haven't found any MAGA-twits interested in facts and/or an intelligent discussion on any issues. Any person who thinks Trump has a clue about anything can't be talked to.

I'm past the point of hating anyone (because I really don't, I'd rather just stay in my lane), but I'm resigned to not being able to talk to MAGA people about Trump or anything political. What has been alarming to me is there are people, and I know them, whom I consider good guys when they're not shouting me down about this stuff and who have the ability to handle complex subjects if they're not foaming at the mouth, who simply take the conspiracy theories for gospel a priori.

THEN they expend a great deal of energy constructing justifications to buttress these contrived scandals. The anger and energy that comes through in these lecturings are not designed to connect with anyone in disagreement, but to bludgeon them into submission. It's very aggro and immune to counter-arguments so I had to give up. I tried recently and was abused by someone whom I still want to like, but the hate and contempt they feel for "liberals" has reached the point that they can't resist abusing me too.

I'm also a fascist now too according to them. So I guess it's all grist for the mill since I believe Trump is a fascist in the strong man grifting mode. For Trump supporters making those accusations in return is fair play. Which is perfectly fine with me if they want to believe that. So it's OK now. I don't care to argue. I don't care if I'm considered a liberal puzzie for turning the other cheek. I just don't want the anger to consume us and I know that if I spoke in the same manner as they did they would explode.

It really benefits neither them nor myself to go tit for tat so I have to just let them vent and forgive them and trust they will settle into a less hostile emotional state over time. I don't know that they will now that Trump is creating the mythos of the stolen election to stoke the fires of resentment in perpetuity so it might be the bone they will never let go of.

All I just say without getting into a tussle is if they are not corrupt or guilty then they won't be punished and let it go at that. I know that even with proof of a crime there will still be deflections in the future that Trump or his associates are being framed by the deep state so it really is an endless loop that will probably continue to go nowhere for the real diehards.

Which is why I shrug now and say as Doris Day used to say: Inshallah

[Pointgod]

As far as Warren and Sanders are concerned, aren't they better off using their seniority in the Senate and holding down their seats anyway?

I’d love for Elizabeth Warren to be Treasury Secretary and Bernie to be Secretary of labour or ambassador to Israel. But at the very best case Biden would have 50-50 Democratic Senate and Schumer would have to nuke the filibuster to get anything done. Taking either of these guys out of their seats would be unnecessarily handicapping himself. I expect Warren will be named to head the CFPB but of course that won’t pass the progressive litmus test.

There is no nuking the filibuster since the republican from west virginia already said that he wouldnt do it. Point still stands though. Bernies dem is a republican anyway so Joe couldnt put him anywhere even if he wanted to

I think people need to stop thinking that everything a politicians say is what they actually mean. Joe Manchin for all of his faults didn’t vote for the tax bill, he didn’t vote to repeal Obamacare, he voted against Amy Comey Barrett, HE VOTED FOR **** IMPEACHMENT! Yes he voted for Kavanaugh which honestly thought would cost him but it seems like he knows the politics of his state.

The point is that sure Joe Manchin puts up a front now but if it comes down to it I can’t imagine he’s going to stand in the way of getting legislation passed. And if it takes throwing some extra money to West Virginia in an infrastructure bill to get his vote then so be it, that’s politics. This isn’t an endorsement of Manchin but you’re better off with a bunch of Manchins in red states than even the most moderate Republican.

[HarthorneWingo]

He’s not going to put a Trump supporting Republican in his cabinet. I think he’s just paying that lip service to Republicans, I doubt they’ll be any in important cabinet positions. My question for you is who do you consider Progressive? The term Progressive has been so demagogued that I feel like it’s just a litmus test whether you support Bernie or the Squad. Do you consider Corey Booker Progressive? How about Jay Inslee?

You're sounding like someone from Fox when you use words like "demagogued" and "litmus test" and "Bernie and The Squad" which surely are pejorative descriptions of progressives and the values we support.

You should know the answer to your own question by now. I betcha, if you tried, you could list what we stand for. Go ahead and give it a shot. What is it about progressivism that scares you away from leaning into it?

I’m not scared of Progressivism but I don’t believe that gatekeeping and sloganeering is an effective way of winning or getting people on your side. Let me ask you the same question, do you consider Jay Inslee and Corey Booker Progressive? How about Sherrod Brown?

It's not "sloganeering." I don't know what you mean by gatekeeping. But it's about policies that are needed and that, if supported, will work. Just go down the list from climate change, to economic disparity, to criminal justice reform where do progressives have it wrong?

Jay Inslee is great on climate change.

Cory Booker is a Wall Street Democrat. He talks a good game but he'll never back the kind of changes in policy we need because he's getting paid off by Wall Street.

Sherrod Brown is good on labor issues but he also takes too much corporate PAC money.

[dakomish23]

HW & any other lawyers - the “kraken” has been released. I’m reading it now & so much of it so far has been conspiracy theories & hypothetical nonsense. Interested in your takes.

https://defendingtherepublic.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/COMPLAINT-CJ-PEARSON-V.-KEMP-11.25.2020.pdf

This part stood out so far

Additionally, incontrovertible evidence Board of Elections records demonstrates that at least 96,600 absentee ballots were requested and counted but were never recorded as being returned to county election boards by the voter. Thus, at a minimum, 96,600 votes must be disregarded. (See Attached hereto, Exh. 9, R. Ramsland Aff.).

[robillionaire]

HW & any other lawyers - the “kraken” has been released. I’m reading it now & so much of it so far has been conspiracy theories & hypothetical nonsense. Interested in your takes.

https://defendingtherepublic.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/COMPLAINT-CJ-PEARSON-V.-KEMP-11.25.2020.pdf

This part stood out so far

Additionally, incontrovertible evidence Board of Elections records demonstrates that at least 96,600 absentee ballots were requested and counted but were never recorded as being returned to county election boards by the voter. Thus, at a minimum, 96,600 votes must be disregarded. (See Attached hereto, Exh. 9, R. Ramsland Aff.).

dude don't waste your time reading this. the first thing you see is the word district spelled wrong more than once and the name of grifter cj pearson who clearly hasn't suckered conservative boomers out of enough money yet

[HarthorneWingo]

HW & any other lawyers - the “kraken” has been released. I’m reading it now & so much of it so far has been conspiracy theories & hypothetical nonsense. Interested in your takes.

https://defendingtherepublic.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/COMPLAINT-CJ-PEARSON-V.-KEMP-11.25.2020.pdf

This part stood out so far

Additionally, incontrovertible evidence Board of Elections records demonstrates that at least 96,600 absentee ballots were requested and counted but were never recorded as being returned to county election boards by the voter. Thus, at a minimum, 96,600 votes must be disregarded. (See Attached hereto, Exh. 9, R. Ramsland Aff.).

dude don't waste your time reading this. the first thing you see is the word district spelled wrong more than once and the name of grifter cj pearson who clearly hasn't suckered conservative boomers out of enough money yet

Looks like just a draft of a complaint. There's no civil action docket number on the first page of the complaint. You'll see that there's no stamp from the court clerk's office showing that it's been filed with the court.

[Pointgod]

This corrupt **** can’t get away with this. This is why I want Adam Schiff as AG. Biden needs a pit bull that’s going to investigate the hell out of Trump’s criminal enterprise and isn’t afraid to take the heat from Republicans, the media etc.

Read on Twitter

[Pointgod]

Welp. This was predictable

Read on Twitter

[Paija]

Where's BallSac? Isn't it time for him to get another kick in the teeth? I got my cowboy boots at the ready.

There is a new user RingDamage who appeared around Ballsac dissapearance, might be him. Or is at least as "special" as BallSac was.

[Phish Tank]

Welp. This was predictable

Read on Twitter

blood on their hands.... that should be the new chant.... march around their homes, their families' homes, wherever it's uncomfortable.

[Jethrobodine123]

I have a lot of sympathy for what Biden and his Administration are up against with the mess the last group of incompetents, thieves, grifters and Aholes with a capital A have left behind. They have a tremendous amount on their plate and it’s not going to be easy to fix/repair all the damage done in the last 4 years. The Democrats (Biden) certainly have a lot of experience taking over awful situations and having to turn them around, the 2008 financial crises is a good example of this. It never ceases to amaze me how the Republicans spend like drunken sailors, ruin the economy, leaving the Democrats having to come in and clean things up. Already, the Republicans (Mitch McConnell) are pivoting to a “more fiscal responsible” agenda now that the Democrats have taken over the Presidency. They have NO shame, none.

Jethro

[Barcs]

Welp. This was predictable

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These are despicable disgusting people not worthy of being on the supreme court. As much as they try to deny that churches are a business, they are. In fact they have it easier than many others because they are tax free. They don't deserve exemptions to policies put in place during a national emergency when the goal is to protect public health.

Crap like this is the reason the US is the worst country in the world with covid cases & deaths. People think freedom means you can do whatever you want whenever you want. That's completely false and all constitutional freedoms have limitations.

Church services can be online. There is no excuse for having large gatherings when COVID cases are at an all time high. These clowns call themselves "pro-life" yet are actively contributing to the spread of a deadly virus. There is nothing in the constitution about being allow to break executive orders during emergencies.

Religious freedom doesn't allow you to gather in mass, it means you can practice your religion without discrimination or unfair treatment. Many businesses have gone to remote working and virtual meetings for staff. There is no reason the churches can't do that as well. They can still tithe via patron.

[Barcs]

I have a lot of sympathy for what Biden and his Administration are up against with the mess the last group of incompetents, thieves, grifters and Aholes with a capital A have left behind. They have a tremendous amount on their plate and it’s not going to be easy to fix/repair all the damage done in the last 4 years. The Democrats (Biden) certainly have a lot of experience taking over awful situations and having to turn them around, the 2008 financial crises is a good example of this. It never ceases to amaze me how the Republicans spend like drunken sailors, ruin the economy, leaving the Democrats having to come in and clean things up. Already, the Republicans (Mitch McConnell) are pivoting to a “more fiscal responsible” agenda now that the Democrats have taken over the Presidency. They have NO shame, none.

Jethro

100!

Republicans spend just as much, if not more. They are complete hypocrites.

When they are in office they spend ludicrous amounts of money to the military and nobody bats an eye. 900 billion here 900 billion there on top of the already bloated military budget.

But when democrats want to give some of that money back to the people during a pandemic when they need it most or help people in need, improve healthcare, etc, republicans get super offended and call it socialism. They are lying and they do it intentionally.

[Clyde_Style]

Where's BallSac? Isn't it time for him to get another kick in the teeth? I got my cowboy boots at the ready.

There is a new user RingDamage who appeared around Ballsac dissapearance, might be him. Or is at least as "special" as BallSac was.

Was this PBP seen wearing knee pads?