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Re: Breaking: Obi toppin traded to indiana 

Post#641 » by Capn'O » Fri Nov 10, 2023 6:54 pm

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Capn'O wrote:I supported drafting Toppin but I could've sworn he was bigger. The first time I saw him vs NBA competition I was like "That's him? ****." It was immediately clear he wouldn't have the same advantages he had in college. At this level, inches and pounds matter. With Amar'e's size he would be lethal. No, he doesn't have Amar'e's range of movement but he's a better passer. He'd have been really good if he could overpower guys.

So Obi fooled me once but we were right to move on PROVIDED WE FOUND A REPLACEMENT.

Obi had a few things going against him.

The size as you said, but also the high center of gravity, the lack of strength (for his profile), and the lack of lateral quickness.

Amar'e was incredibly strong. He also had a lightning quick first step, which made him a threat in face-up situations and gave him space to take that jumper. Obi really can't do anything one-on-one in the NBA.

Obi's either an undersized center who can't rebound or defend, or a 4 who doesn't space the floor, provide on-ball skills or defend.

He's really a back-up. A good one.


I should have added "and stronger." If he was bigger and stronger he'd be a good starter. Not Amar'e good but good. But he isn't.
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Re: Breaking: Obi toppin traded to indiana 

Post#642 » by god shammgod » Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:02 pm

thibs yet to be wrong about the guys he doesn't play much
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Re: Breaking: Obi toppin traded to indiana 

Post#643 » by rajajackal » Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:15 pm

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Chanel Bomber wrote:Brunson was two years away, and he could've easily extended with Dallas if they hadn't lowballed him, so I don't really buy that. Plus those two could play together.

There was no upside to moving Randle higher than drafting Hali. Except for trading Randle and other pieces for Hali, I suppose.

we didn't have to trade anything for hali, and i agree we should have drafted him. but i disagree that leon didn't intend on bringing brunson in 2 years out. if anything, the brunson godfather situation makes passing on hali make at least a shred of sense

The Knicks were not in control of their destiny with Brunson. He would have resigned in Dallas if they hadn't refused to offer him an extension and then lowballed him. His camp was seeking an extension.

So I really don't buy that this was part of some masterplan where Leon knew Brunson was going to become his point guard. I think they just made a blunder in the draft by going with the conservative (and also more "exciting") choice in Obi, the NCAA player of the year.

i'm not viewing it as a master plan, just "a" plan based on his connections and personal interests. i'm also not particularly mad at it as a concept, because if we didn't choose randle over obi, it would've still made some sense. but now it's a wasted draft pick
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Re: Breaking: Obi toppin traded to indiana 

Post#644 » by Chanel Bomber » Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:20 pm

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Chanel Bomber wrote:
rajajackal wrote:we didn't have to trade anything for hali, and i agree we should have drafted him. but i disagree that leon didn't intend on bringing brunson in 2 years out. if anything, the brunson godfather situation makes passing on hali make at least a shred of sense

The Knicks were not in control of their destiny with Brunson. He would have resigned in Dallas if they hadn't refused to offer him an extension and then lowballed him. His camp was seeking an extension.

So I really don't buy that this was part of some masterplan where Leon knew Brunson was going to become his point guard. I think they just made a blunder in the draft by going with the conservative (and also more "exciting") choice in Obi, the NCAA player of the year.

i'm not viewing it as a master plan, just "a" plan based on his connections and personal interests. i'm also not particularly mad at it as a concept, because if we didn't choose randle over obi, it would've still made some sense. but now it's a wasted draft pick

We're gonna have to disagree on this, very dramatic!
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Re: Breaking: Obi toppin traded to indiana 

Post#645 » by rajajackal » Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:23 pm

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rajajackal wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:The Knicks were not in control of their destiny with Brunson. He would have resigned in Dallas if they hadn't refused to offer him an extension and then lowballed him. His camp was seeking an extension.

So I really don't buy that this was part of some masterplan where Leon knew Brunson was going to become his point guard. I think they just made a blunder in the draft by going with the conservative (and also more "exciting") choice in Obi, the NCAA player of the year.

i'm not viewing it as a master plan, just "a" plan based on his connections and personal interests. i'm also not particularly mad at it as a concept, because if we didn't choose randle over obi, it would've still made some sense. but now it's a wasted draft pick

We're gonna have to disagree on this, very dramatic!

i don't think so. we were literally found guilty of tampering lol
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Re: Breaking: Obi toppin traded to indiana 

Post#646 » by Chanel Bomber » Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:43 pm

rajajackal wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:
rajajackal wrote:i'm not viewing it as a master plan, just "a" plan based on his connections and personal interests. i'm also not particularly mad at it as a concept, because if we didn't choose randle over obi, it would've still made some sense. but now it's a wasted draft pick

We're gonna have to disagree on this, very dramatic!

i don't think so. we were literally found guilty of tampering lol

Yeah but that was the year leading to free agency. The Obi draft was two years prior.
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Re: Breaking: Obi toppin traded to indiana 

Post#647 » by Wildcat » Fri Nov 10, 2023 8:34 pm

Hindsight is 20/20, ain't it?
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Re: Breaking: Obi toppin traded to indiana 

Post#648 » by Kampuchea » Fri Nov 10, 2023 8:41 pm

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Re: Breaking: Obi toppin traded to indiana 

Post#649 » by Oscirus » Fri Nov 10, 2023 8:48 pm

god shammgod wrote:thibs yet to be wrong about the guys he doesn't play much

Thibs was the one salivating over obi in the first place.
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Re: Breaking: Obi toppin traded to indiana 

Post#650 » by god shammgod » Fri Nov 10, 2023 8:58 pm

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god shammgod wrote:thibs yet to be wrong about the guys he doesn't play much

Thibs was the one salivating over obi in the first place.

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Re: Breaking: Obi toppin traded to indiana 

Post#651 » by HighRyzer83 » Fri Nov 10, 2023 10:11 pm

To be fair these morons had him guarding giannis. He's way too small for that.
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Re: Breaking: Obi toppin traded to indiana 

Post#652 » by robillionaire » Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:14 am

HighRyzer83 wrote:To be fair these morons had him guarding giannis. He's way too small for that.


Starting nba power forwards have to guard other starting power forwards, something he’s been protected from most his career, welcome to the nba I guess
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Re: Breaking: Obi toppin traded to indiana 

Post#653 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:30 am

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god shammgod wrote:thibs yet to be wrong about the guys he doesn't play much

Thibs was the one salivating over obi in the first place.


Leon Rose jumped out of their chair and yelled for joy the moment they knew Obi had not been selected with the prior pick

Thibs never GAF about Obi
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Re: Breaking: Obi toppin traded to indiana 

Post#654 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:33 am

Just looked at Obi's numbers. They're OK, neither great nor awful. His FG% is quite high while his 3FG% is bad.

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