[Camelo Thread Part 6] - Update: NJ tries again Pg. 71

Falstaffxx · Post #661 » by **Falstaffxx** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 5:26 am

cgmw wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:Is melo really going to sign an extension through the prime of his career for a team that essentially--after being repeatedly rejected--bullied him into signing it??? I HIGHLY doubt it.

If I own the Denver Nuggets basketball franchise, do I particularly give a sh*t? I do what's best for my franchise, not what's best for Carmelo Anthony.

What does that have to do with what he said about Melo's likelihood of extending with a team he has no interest in playing for?

cgmw · Post #662 » by **cgmw** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 5:39 am

Falstaffxx wrote:What does that have to do with what he said about Melo's likelihood of extending with a team he has no interest in playing for?

It's a fair assumption that Carmelo would like to get paid as much as possible, right? Well Denver is the only team that can make that happen. Whether or not he "has no interest in playing for" Denver, Denver has leverage. Whether or not Denver ends up with "scraps" or a TPE, it's still not in their best interest to abandon ship in February.

All kinds of things could happen between February and July. Again, I repeat: The possibility of re-signing Carmelo is very valuable to Denver. I'd be shocked if they traded him for anything less than two or three young players/picks plus salary relief. Anything less than that just isn't worth it. You wait it out and hope for something changes before July.

ophdog · Post #663 » by **ophdog** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 5:43 am

cgmw wrote:
Falstaffxx wrote:What does that have to do with what he said about Melo's likelihood of extending with a team he has no interest in playing for?

It's a fair assumption that Carmelo would like to get paid as much as possible, right? Well Denver is the only team that can make that happen. Whether or not he "has no interest in playing for" Denver, Denver has leverage. Whether or not Denver ends up with "scraps" or a TPE, it's still not in their best interest to abandon ship in February.

All kinds of things could happen between February and July. Again, I repeat: The possibility of re-signing Carmelo is very valuable to Denver. I'd be shocked if they traded him for anything less than two or three young players/picks plus salary relief. Anything less than that just isn't worth it. You wait it out and hope for something changes before July.

I really hope that is what Denver does. The knicks will be title cotenders then...

RHODEY · Post #664 » by **RHODEY** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 5:46 am

cgmw wrote: Whether or not he "has no interest in playing for" Denver, Denver has leverage.

The above makes no sense.

ophdog · Post #665 » by **ophdog** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 5:46 am

How long will it take before Denver realized the fix is in... Nothing you can do to stop it.

ophdog · Post #666 » by **ophdog** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 5:48 am

cgmw wrote:
Falstaffxx wrote:What does that have to do with what he said about Melo's likelihood of extending with a team he has no interest in playing for?

It's a fair assumption that Carmelo would like to get paid as much as possible, right? Well Denver is the only team that can make that happen. Whether or not he "has no interest in playing for" Denver, Denver has leverage. Whether or not Denver ends up with "scraps" or a TPE, it's still not in their best interest to abandon ship in February.

All kinds of things could happen between February and July. Again, I repeat: The possibility of re-signing Carmelo is very valuable to Denver. I'd be shocked if they traded him for anything less than two or three young players/picks plus salary relief. Anything less than that just isn't worth it. You wait it out and hope for something changes before July.

What Denver must not realize is the only reason are openly trying to get him now is to make a run this year and to get him more money. But Walsh has to know he is coming. He would of moved heaven and earth already if he had to.

towelie · Post #667 » by **towelie** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 5:50 am

cgmw wrote:
Falstaffxx wrote:What does that have to do with what he said about Melo's likelihood of extending with a team he has no interest in playing for?

It's a fair assumption that Carmelo would like to get paid as much as possible, right? Well Denver is the only team that can make that happen. Whether or not he "has no interest in playing for" Denver, Denver has leverage. Whether or not Denver ends up with "scraps" or a TPE, it's still not in their best interest to abandon ship in February.

All kinds of things could happen between February and July. Again, I repeat: The possibility of re-signing Carmelo is very valuable to Denver. I'd be shocked if they traded him for anything less than two or three young players/picks plus salary relief. Anything less than that just isn't worth it. You wait it out and hope for something changes before July.

Sure, it's fair to assume that Carmelo wants to be paid as much as possible, but it's also fair to assume that he wants to be back near family, especially after his sister's death. Or be back in his hometown of NY (he grew up in Baltimore, but there was an article a few months ago how he was still called "Little New York" while growing up in Baltimore). Or play with his good friend Amare Stoudemire.

We just saw 3 superstars take less money to play in Miami. We saw another in baseball forego extra guaranteed years to play in Philadelphia. I'm surprised there are people who still argue that it's all about the money for these players when they're already guaranteed to be making tens of millions.

Melo's going to get his max in the new CBA, and you don't have to be an expert or an insider to negotiations to make an educated guess that a max contract is not going to really go down that much -- no more than say $1-2M per year. And if it's more than that, you can be sure that owners will look to apply it retroactively to old contracts, making Melo's extension moot.

So is it also fair to assume that Melo would be willing to risk an extra $6-10M for the chance to play in his desired city, with his friend in Stoudemire, and on a possible contender? I'd say so. Denver's going to lose leverage as they approach the deadline if Melo maintains this stance, as they'll be the ones who are desperate to get a deal done, while NY can just wait till FA.

ophdog · Post #668 » by **ophdog** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 5:50 am

BTW am i the only one that checks every morning i wake up to see if the deal went down? lol i swear i think i have a dream every morning and really expect to see it

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #669 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 5:51 am

ophdog wrote:BTW am i the only one that checks every morning i wake up to see if the deal went down? lol i swear i think i have a dream every morning and really expect to see it

Ive definitely given up on it happening before February.

cgmw · Post #670 » by **cgmw** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 5:52 am

RHODEY wrote:
cgmw wrote: Whether or not he "has no interest in playing for" Denver, Denver has leverage.

The above makes no sense.

Carmelo has an interest in getting paid. Only Denver can guarantee him a full MAX deal under the current CBA. That gives them leverage.

Will it be enough to keep him? IDK. But it might be enough to convince them to wait it out after February.

ophdog · Post #671 » by **ophdog** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 5:54 am

Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
ophdog wrote:BTW am i the only one that checks every morning i wake up to see if the deal went down? lol i swear i think i have a dream every morning and really expect to see it

Ive definitely given up on it happening before February.

to be honest i have too. But in waking up every day i guess i kinda hope after thinking for 2 seconds you realize nothing is changing that day

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #672 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 5:54 am

An underrated component of this situation is Denver pr. I highly doubt denver's gm wants to be known as the guy that let bosh and melo walk for NOTHING. There is no way--with his reputation on the line-- he goes into the offseason with that hanging over his head. I would be shocked if melo isnt dealt at the deadline. Assuming he gets a gallo/picks combo, the press wont nearly be as critical considering Denver can just let out that melo wasn't going to sign with anyone other than new York and they had to take what they could get as opposed to getting nothing. Can't see their fans or the media taking the gm to task for that.

ophdog · Post #673 » by **ophdog** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 5:55 am

I cant wait for Feb.. i turn 30 get a nice bonus at work , am moving, and also the melo sitch gets somewhat figured out. Here is to me calling getting a bday present on the 17th of Melo and a center!!!!

cgmw · Post #674 » by **cgmw** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 5:56 am

Towelie, everything you said is completely true.

But none of it changes the fact that Denver isn't just going to give him away at the deadline. Unless a team steps up with an offer they can't refuse, the Nuggs have every incentive to wait it out and hope something changes.

Are Gallo & AR better than nothing? Of course. But are they more valuable than having a five month window where Carmelo might change his mind? Very debatable.

towelie · Post #675 » by **towelie** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 5:59 am

cgmw wrote:Towelie, everything you said is completely true.

But none of it changes the fact that Denver isn't just going to give him away at the deadline. Unless a team steps up with an offer they can't refuse, the Nuggs have every incentive to wait it out and hope something changes.

Are Gallo & AR better than nothing? Of course. But are they more valuable than having a five month window where Carmelo might change his mind? NFW.

Well I've always said that our offer has to accomplish two things:

1) Beat out rental offers (ie. Beaubois + 1st)
2) Be better than nothing

I think a package of Gallo/AR/2014 1st (or whatever Gallo and AR can net us in a multi-team trade) + taking back Harrington's contract is "better than nothing," and something Denver will ultimately accept by deadline.

ophdog · Post #676 » by **ophdog** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 6:01 am

cgmw wrote:Towelie, everything you said is completely true.

But none of it changes the fact that Denver isn't just going to give him away at the deadline. Unless a team steps up with an offer they can't refuse, the Nuggs have every incentive to wait it out and hope something changes.

Are Gallo & AR better than nothing? Of course. But are they more valuable than having a five month window where Carmelo might change his mind? NFW.

WOW you really think he will change his mind? i love it i hope the denver fo thinks the same as you. There is a much slimmer chance of Melo staying than Lebron. Your the guy hitting on the hot girl at the party the whole time even though she has rejected you 4 times already and is flirting with a guy right in front of you

towelie · Post #677 » by **towelie** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 6:02 am

Knicks_Fan2 wrote:An underrated component of this situation is Denver pr. I highly doubt denver's gm wants to be known as the guy that let bosh and melo walk for NOTHING. There is no way--with his reputation on the line-- he goes into the offseason with that hanging over his head. I would be shocked if melo isnt dealt at the deadline. Assuming he gets a gallo/picks combo, the press wont nearly be as critical considering Denver can just let out that melo wasn't going to sign with anyone other than new York and they had to take what they could get as opposed to getting nothing. Can't see their fans or the media taking the gm to task for that.

Yeah I mentioned that earlier a few pages back. The fact that Ujiri is GM of the Nuggets helps us because after getting Bosh'd, I highly doubt he wants to get burned again. He'd much rather get some value out of a Melo trade when all signs point to him being out the door, then be known as the GM who let both Bosh and Melo go for table scraps.

ophdog · Post #678 » by **ophdog** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 6:07 am

towelie wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:An underrated component of this situation is Denver pr. I highly doubt denver's gm wants to be known as the guy that let bosh and melo walk for NOTHING. There is no way--with his reputation on the line-- he goes into the offseason with that hanging over his head. I would be shocked if melo isnt dealt at the deadline. Assuming he gets a gallo/picks combo, the press wont nearly be as critical considering Denver can just let out that melo wasn't going to sign with anyone other than new York and they had to take what they could get as opposed to getting nothing. Can't see their fans or the media taking the gm to task for that.

Yeah I mentioned that earlier a few pages back. The fact that Ujiri is GM of the Nuggets helps us because after getting Bosh'd, I highly doubt he wants to get burned again. He'd much rather get some value out of a Melo trade when all signs point to him being out the door, then be known as the GM who let both Bosh and Melo go for table scraps.

It could be worse than Bosh at least in the bosh deal they got picks and tpe. If the new cba changes they could get absolutely nothing.

Post #679 » by **vinnie_vegas69** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 6:09 am

cgmw wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
Yep. The dude also just wants to come home. His whole life, family, friends, etc is centered in NYC not the Colorado Rockies.

Baltimore says hi.

Oh s**t! We've all been sleeping on his impending trade to the Baltimore Bullets!

:roll:

cgmw · Post #680 » by **cgmw** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 6:14 am

ophdog wrote:
cgmw wrote:Towelie, everything you said is completely true.

But none of it changes the fact that Denver isn't just going to give him away at the deadline. Unless a team steps up with an offer they can't refuse, the Nuggs have every incentive to wait it out and hope something changes.

Are Gallo & AR better than nothing? Of course. But are they more valuable than having a five month window where Carmelo might change his mind? NFW.

WOW you really think he will change his mind? i love it i hope the denver fo thinks the same as you. There is a much slimmer chance of Melo staying than Lebron. Your the guy hitting on the hot girl at the party the whole time even though she has rejected you 4 times already and is flirting with a guy right in front of you

Jesus Christ. I'm writing this one more time, then going to sleep.

There's a chance -- however slim -- that Melo's just bluffing to force a trade. There's a chance that he would forego playing in NY in order to get his full guaranteed paycheck. There's also a chance that he ends up fetching a valuable package in the offseason via sign and trade. There's even a chance that Denver makes a run in the playoffs and it influences his decision. There's a chance Amar'e blows out his knees. There's a chance the Wall Street Journal reports that MAX salaries are going to be cut in half. You get the picture? Anything can happen.

Would you rather be known as the GM who let Carmelo go for peanuts or the guy who gave up before exhausting every possible ounce of leverage? Personally, I'd go down fighting. But that's just me, apparently.

That said, I hope he's a Knick. And I hope it happens right friggin now. Goodnight, RGM Knicks forum. Keep dreaming.