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Re: Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread 

Post#661 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:40 am

KnicksALLday wrote:how about trade kidd, novak and camby to a low salary team for draft picks in return only? obviously it would be a 1 for 1 trade with several teams...but it gives the knicks cap room to sign chris paul


is chris paul going to accept the mle or the vet minimum? cap space?
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Re: Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread 

Post#662 » by GONYK » Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:08 am

KnicksALLday wrote:how about trade kidd, novak and camby to a low salary team for draft picks in return only? obviously it would be a 1 for 1 trade with several teams...but it gives the knicks cap room to sign chris paul


No, it doesn't
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Re: Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread 

Post#663 » by seren » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:34 pm

KnicksALLday wrote:how about trade kidd, novak and camby to a low salary team for draft picks in return only? obviously it would be a 1 for 1 trade with several teams...but it gives the knicks cap room to sign chris paul


you would need to add picks for a team to take on that package. other than that, no it doesn't create cap room.
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Re: Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread 

Post#664 » by Dbloc123 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:29 pm

In the offseason,,, Amare & cash or future 2nd for ben Gordon and Tyrus thomas,,

Gordon can be great off the bench scoring if we lose jr or even add more if jr stays, and thomas is just another big with,kmart,sheed and kt all gone. Still athletic and a willing shot blocker.. For the bobcats neither one plays really and amare if nothing can put some fans in the seats over there,,, Stranger trades have happened.
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Re: Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread 

Post#665 » by seren » Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:33 pm

Dbloc123 wrote:In the offseason,,, Amare & cash or future 2nd for ben Gordon and Tyrus thomas,,

Gordon can be great off the bench scoring if we lose jr or even add more if jr stays, and thomas is just another big with,kmart,sheed and kt all gone. Still athletic and a willing shot blocker.. For the bobcats neither one plays really and amare if nothing can put some fans in the seats over there,,, Stranger trades have happened.


how do you know about that? the last time anyone saw tyrus was playing, patrick ewing was still ruling the league.

this is obviously besides the fact that bobcats are better off amnestying Tyrus and holding onto gordon.
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Re: Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread 

Post#666 » by ORANGEandBLUE » Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:30 pm

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bnaf68u

Chandler, Novak, and Felton for DeAndre, Caron, and Willie Green.

Leaves us with no salary committed past 2015. Free agents that summer include:

Rondo
Parker
Love
Aldridge
Faried (would Denver match a max offer?)
Marc Gasol
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Re: Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread 

Post#667 » by SuperflyKnick » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:19 pm

ORANGEandBLUE wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bnaf68u

Chandler, Novak, and Felton for DeAndre, Caron, and Willie Green.

Leaves us with no salary committed past 2015. Free agents that summer include:

Rondo
Parker
Love
Aldridge
Faried (would Denver match a max offer?)
Marc Gasol



You Would give Farried a Max Contract :o
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Re: Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread 

Post#668 » by ORANGEandBLUE » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:11 pm

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cpb5vg3

Shump, Novak, and Camby for Dudley, Kendall Marshall and Beasley

The point for us would be to improve post-2015. Instead of cutting into cap space to re-sign Shump for $7-9m, we get two guys in Marshall and Dudley who will only count for a combined $6m in cap space. Plus we dump Novak's deal, freeing up another $4m.
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Re: Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread 

Post#669 » by youngthegiant » Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:30 am

Andre MiIller for Shumpert and Kidd.
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Post#670 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:54 am

youngthegiant wrote:Andre MiIller for Shumpert and Kidd.


lol.
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Post#671 » by Stannis » Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:05 am

Just for fun, what do you think the Knicks could get if they were to trade Melo back to Denver? What would Denver give up to get Melo back?
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Re: Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread 

Post#672 » by Greenie » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:58 am

Dbloc123 wrote:In the offseason,,, Amare & cash or future 2nd for ben Gordon and Tyrus thomas,,

Gordon can be great off the bench scoring if we lose jr or even add more if jr stays, and thomas is just another big with,kmart,sheed and kt all gone. Still athletic and a willing shot blocker.. For the bobcats neither one plays really and amare if nothing can put some fans in the seats over there,,, Stranger trades have happened.

I started saying we should trade STAT to the Bobcats two years ago. Now they really don't have anything to trade for that would be realistic.
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Re: Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread 

Post#673 » by delvec19 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:37 pm

Why even bother with fake trades for Amare, Melo, Chandler. None of them are going anywhere for one reason or another. We should be wondering if anyone in the league would be stupid enough to take Felton, Novak, Kidd, or even Camby off our hands.
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Re: Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread 

Post#674 » by seren » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:04 pm

Some off-season targets for Grunwald:

Grant Hill
Juwan Howard
Derek Fisher
Jerry Stackhouse
Mike James
Antawn Jamison
Raja Bell
Chauncey Billups
Nazr Mohammad

These are the oldest active NBA players that will be free agents this summer. The ones that are not free agents are already on the Knicks roster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ol ... ers#Active
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Re: Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread 

Post#675 » by draftbarnes » Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:12 pm

Our guards suck. we need the biggest upgrades in the back court .. can we get an nba starting caliber pg. All 3 on our team are backups
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Re: Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread 

Post#676 » by daba » Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:26 am

seren wrote:Some off-season targets for Grunwald:

Grant Hill
Juwan Howard
Derek Fisher
Jerry Stackhouse
Mike James
Antawn Jamison
Raja Bell
Chauncey Billups
Nazr Mohammad

These are the oldest active NBA players that will be free agents this summer. The ones that are not free agents are already on the Knicks roster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ol ... ers#Active

The fascination with old players kills me. Adding a vet or two if you're one step away or were in the Finals the year before makes sense. Adding 5 old guys when you didn't make it out of the first round doesn't make sense at all.
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Re: Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread 

Post#677 » by moocow007 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:57 pm

The Knicks need to look for younger players. Not talking about 22 year old future phenoms (obviously since we don't have assets) but guy that are still in the 27-32 range at most. They really don't need more 35+ guys and certainly not guys nearing their 40's.

Will be some hard decisions come the offeseason. I think they will need to explore the possibility of trading anyone (including Anthony and/or Chandler) to get better. Unlikely that Anthony will be dealt under Dolan's watch...but I would not be surprised if the team at least considers trading Chandler.
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Re: Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread 

Post#678 » by seren » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:06 pm

moocow007 wrote:The Knicks need to look for younger players. Not talking about 22 year old future phenoms (obviously since we don't have assets) but guy that are still in the 27-32 range at most. They really don't need more 35+ guys and certainly not guys nearing their 40's.

Will be some hard decisions come the offeseason. I think they will need to explore the possibility of trading anyone (including Anthony and/or Chandler) to get better. Unlikely that Anthony will be dealt under Dolan's watch...but I would not be surprised if the team at least considers trading Chandler.


Trading Chandler would be a huge step back. So huge that, it potentially bumps us out of the playoffs. I don't see that happening. Melo will never be traded unless he pulls a Marbury and starts eating vaseline.

We have Shump, Camby's contract and '13 first round pick to make moves. The mini-mid level will only get you a bad young player or old veteran. You ain't adding a future piece with that.
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Re: Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread 

Post#679 » by moocow007 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:35 pm

seren wrote:
moocow007 wrote:The Knicks need to look for younger players. Not talking about 22 year old future phenoms (obviously since we don't have assets) but guy that are still in the 27-32 range at most. They really don't need more 35+ guys and certainly not guys nearing their 40's.

Will be some hard decisions come the offeseason. I think they will need to explore the possibility of trading anyone (including Anthony and/or Chandler) to get better. Unlikely that Anthony will be dealt under Dolan's watch...but I would not be surprised if the team at least considers trading Chandler.


Trading Chandler would be a huge step back. So huge that, it potentially bumps us out of the playoffs. I don't see that happening. Melo will never be traded unless he pulls a Marbury and starts eating vaseline.

We have Shump, Camby's contract and '13 first round pick to make moves. The mini-mid level will only get you a bad young player or old veteran. You ain't adding a future piece with that.


Yeah it really depends on what they can get for Chandler I think (obviously if it's for youth and/or picks then it's not going to help much and we'd likley be out of the playoffs). Another option that may come into play could the Disabled Player Exception. If things go bad and Stoudemire needs micro-fracture again, the Knicks should be able to apply for the exception no? Would be 50% + 100K of Stoudemire's contract or about 10.5M.

DISABLED PLAYER EXCEPTION -- This exception allows a team which is over the cap to replace a disabled player who will be out for the remainder of that season (it can also be granted in the event of a player's death). This exception is granted by the league, based on an application from the team and a determination by an NBA-designated physician that the player is substantially more likely than not to be unable to play through the following June 15.

If this exception is granted, the team can acquire one player, via either trade or free agent signing, to replace the disabled player:

•The team may sign a free agent for one season only, for 50% of the disabled player's salary or the amount of the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, whichever is less.
•The team may trade for a player in the last season of his contract only (including any option years), who is making no more than 50% plus $100,000 of the disabled player's salary, or the amount of the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception plus $100,000, whichever is less.
Teams can apply for this exception from July 1 through January 15, and cannot apply after January 15. Once granted, the exception expires when a player is acquired, when the disabled player is traded or returns to the team, or on March 15 of that season, whichever comes first. This exception is granted on a season-by-season basis -- if the player will also be out the following season, the team needs to apply for this exception again the following season.

This exception can only be granted to the team for which the player was playing when his injury or illness was known, or reasonably should have become known. A team cannot trade for an injured player and subsequently apply for a Disabled Player exception for that player.

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If the disabled player comes back sooner than expected he may be activated immediately, and the replacement player is not affected.
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Re: Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread 

Post#680 » by seren » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:50 pm

•The team may sign a free agent for one season only, for 50% of the disabled player's salary or the amount of the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, whichever is less.

That is 5 million dollar contract at most and one year deal at most. You may get an older veteran for that. Or maybe a Mayo type of situation where a player wants to prove his worth, but really unlikely.

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