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Phil can GTFO now (he's wiling to deal KP) part II

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Re: Phil can GTFO now (he's wiling to deal KP) part II 

Post#661 » by NOOB77 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:56 pm

NYKnicksTAPE wrote:Yo, if we get the 3rd pick, Brown, keep our 8th, and get the 2018 BK pick then why would people be mad at that? Could u realistically do much better than that for KP?



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Re: Phil can GTFO now (he's wiling to deal KP) part II 

Post#662 » by Yankeeknickfan » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:56 pm

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This deal makes sense for both sides. KP is a win now piece that is cost controlled and fills the teams biggest weakness.

I want #3, BK 2018, and one of Brown / Crowder / Smart. I think we're getting greedy asking for 2 of them but I like the aggressiveness. I'm team Phil all the way with this. I knew exactly what he's trying to do. We need 3 pieces more so then 1.


Maybe it works out, maybe it doesn't. Most likely Ainge pulls the rug out from under Phil at the last minute with some protections or taking some stuff out of the deal and we are going to get screwed.

Its ridiculous to even contemplate trading KP...Keep him and build around him.


My perspective is if you can get a kings ransom for him you do it. We are 3-4 years away from even being competitive. Trading KP for 3-4 assets helps build us a core.

I don't consider Crowder, brown, Josh Jackson, and another lottery pick a "kings ransom". A kings ransom is so much, that the Celtics are fuqed, if it backfires
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Re: Phil can GTFO now (he's wiling to deal KP) part II 

Post#663 » by Deeeez Knicks » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:57 pm

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No. Go f yourself Ainge

Bro, what if Boston offered us the 3rd pick, traded for the 7th and offered that to us, and we kept our 8th? That's 3 top 10 picks in this draft. How would u feel about that?


Easy no for me. As much as I love picks, they are still crap shoots and far from guarantee'd of panning out And if they do, a good chance they won't be as good as KP. Plenty of teams have been in the lottery year after year, and havent been lucky enough to get a player like KP.

I mean a typical #7 pick isn't usually a great player....#3, maybe you have a 50/50 shot at a star? Its still a crap shoot.

I'd keep him, use our pick, try to get some other later picks (Lee, KOQ, Melo, etc) and just continue building from there.
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Re: Phil can GTFO now (he's wiling to deal KP) part II 

Post#664 » by UKClipperfan » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:57 pm

NYKnicksTAPE wrote:Yo, if we get the 3rd pick, Brown, keep our 8th, and get the 2018 BK pick then why would people be mad at that? Could u realistically do much better than that for KP?


Except its highly unlikely that any of those prospects will ever become as good as KP. The Knicks should just build around him. Value wise its there if Phil can get Ainge to give up all of his best assets (which would include the Brooklyn picks and the Kings/Sixers pick), but you're better off with KP.
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Re: Phil can GTFO now (he's wiling to deal KP) part II 

Post#665 » by koogiking » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:57 pm

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Oh sh*t, what if it's the 3rd pick, Brown, and the 7th while we keep our 8th?


Not with it also Brown is overrated
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Re: Phil can GTFO now (he's wiling to deal KP) part II 

Post#666 » by islanders11040 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:58 pm

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No. Go f yourself Ainge

Bro, what if Boston offered us the 3rd pick, traded for the 7th and offered that to us, and we kept our 8th? That's 3 top 10 picks in this draft. How would u feel about that?

Id rather get the BKN pick. 3 lottery picks in 1 year is too much. They will all become restricted free agents at the same time and we may be forced to undersell down the line.
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Re: Phil can GTFO now (he's wiling to deal KP) part II 

Post#667 » by Yankeeknickfan » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:58 pm

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Bro, what if Boston offered us the 3rd pick, traded for the 7th and offered that to us, and we kept our 8th? That's 3 top 10 picks in this draft. How would u feel about that?


That's a Hershell Walker kind of trade.

Knicks can take: Josh Jackson, Fox, and Isaac...the SF, PF and PG of the future for just ONE guy.

None of those guys are better than KP. Only one with "star" potential there is Jackson, and his potential is less than KP's
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Re: Phil can GTFO now (he's wiling to deal KP) part II 

Post#668 » by dakomish23 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:59 pm

There is no chance of the LAL/SAC pick being #1 & coming to us.

2-5 it goes to BOS. I bet LAL isn't in the top 5 next year.

So it will jump to SAC in 2019. If it's #1, PHI gets it & their pick gets sent to BOS. In two years that's PHI team could be a playoff team.

I wouldn't consider that a top asset to gain in trade talks that I can't believe we're even having as of now. Things change quick for these lottery teams if you knock the draft out the park. Well except for us of course :lol:

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Re: Phil can GTFO now (he's wiling to deal KP) part II 

Post#669 » by Spandau » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:00 pm

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NYKnicksTAPE wrote:Bro, what if Boston offered us the 3rd pick, traded for the 7th and offered that to us, and we kept our 8th? That's 3 top 10 picks in this draft. How would u feel about that?


That's a Hershell Walker kind of trade.

Knicks can take: Josh Jackson, Fox, and Isaac...the SF, PF and PG of the future for just ONE guy.

None of those guys are better than KP. Only one with "star" potential there is Jackson, and his potential is less than KP's


Bingo. There are other ways to fill via positions...no need to use our best asset to get potential at each position.

You just don't make this kind of deal. Not in this draft. The players simply are not good enough. Kristaps is better. Period.
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Re: Phil can GTFO now (he's wiling to deal KP) part II 

Post#670 » by NYKnicksTAPE » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:00 pm

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NYKnicksTAPE wrote:Yo, if we get the 3rd pick, Brown, keep our 8th, and get the 2018 BK pick then why would people be mad at that? Could u realistically do much better than that for KP?


Except its highly unlikely that any of those prospects will ever become as good as KP. The Knicks should just build around him. Value wise its there if Phil can get Ainge to give up all of his best assets (which would include the Brooklyn picks and the Kings/Sixers pick), but you're better off with KP.

don't get me wrong, I'd like to see us keep KP, get a good young prospect at 8, and go from there

just won't be mad if we got that for KP
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Re: Phil can GTFO now (he's wiling to deal KP) part II 

Post#671 » by Deeeez Knicks » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:00 pm

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This deal makes sense for both sides. KP is a win now piece that is cost controlled and fills the teams biggest weakness.

I want #3, BK 2018, and one of Brown / Crowder / Smart. I think we're getting greedy asking for 2 of them but I like the aggressiveness. I'm team Phil all the way with this. I knew exactly what he's trying to do. We need 3 pieces more so then 1.


Maybe it works out, maybe it doesn't. Most likely Ainge pulls the rug out from under Phil at the last minute with some protections or taking some stuff out of the deal and we are going to get screwed.

Its ridiculous to even contemplate trading KP...Keep him and build around him.


My perspective is if you can get a kings ransom for him you do it. We are 3-4 years away from even being competitive. Trading KP for 3-4 assets helps build us a core.


I don't see that as a kings ransom because none of those players are guaranteed. All it takes is for the guy we take at #3 to be a bust, and the guy at #7 to just be solid, and the deal will start looking really really bad.

I just don't see a reason to try to cash in on KP, when the best is yet to come for him. We finally have a good young player with unlimited potential. He could end up a top 5 or 10 player one day....maybe more. I would not give that up.
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Re: Phil can GTFO now (he's wiling to deal KP) part II 

Post#672 » by Im Coming Home » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:00 pm

I don't understand why everyone wants picks for KP.

Its like winning the lottery and then using all the money to buy more lottery tickets. No thank you.
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Re: Phil can GTFO now (he's wiling to deal KP) part II 

Post#673 » by GettinitDone » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:00 pm

"When a person with money (Ainge) meets a person with experience (Phil), the one with experience ends up with the money, and the one with money leaves with experience."

Except Ainge has more exec experience than Phil... lol
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Re: Phil can GTFO now (he's wiling to deal KP) part II 

Post#674 » by NYKnicksTAPE » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:01 pm

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No. Go f yourself Ainge

Bro, what if Boston offered us the 3rd pick, traded for the 7th and offered that to us, and we kept our 8th? That's 3 top 10 picks in this draft. How would u feel about that?

Id rather get the BKN pick. 3 lottery picks in 1 year is too much. They will all become restricted free agents at the same time and we may be forced to undersell down the line.

So 3, Brown, BK 2018, and we keep our 8th?
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Re: Phil can GTFO now (he's wiling to deal KP) part II 

Post#675 » by Yankeeknickfan » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:01 pm

Im Coming Home wrote:I don't understand why everyone wants picks for KP.

Its like winning the lottery and then using all the money to buy more lottery tickets. No thank you.

This is why I like the booker deal more
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Re: Phil can GTFO now (he's wiling to deal KP) part II 

Post#676 » by GONYK » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:02 pm

Why would we want to load up on picks for this draft?
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Re: Phil can GTFO now (he's wiling to deal KP) part II 

Post#677 » by blueNorange » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:02 pm

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if that happens and he drafts fox/lauri, i won't be too upset.
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Re: Phil can GTFO now (he's wiling to deal KP) part II 

Post#678 » by F N 11 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:02 pm

Every reporter just saying chit that makes sense. They were so close but no cigar. stfu lol
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Re: Phil can GTFO now (he's wiling to deal KP) part II 

Post#679 » by islanders11040 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:02 pm

Im Coming Home wrote:I don't understand why everyone wants picks for KP.

Its like winning the lottery and then using all the money to buy more lottery tickets. No thank you.

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Re: Phil can GTFO now (he's wiling to deal KP) part II 

Post#680 » by Deeeez Knicks » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:03 pm

Im Coming Home wrote:I don't understand why everyone wants picks for KP.

Its like winning the lottery and then using all the money to buy more lottery tickets. No thank you.


Perfect analogy...we are trying to double up and may end up broke.
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