Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo

[Jeff Van Gully]

when have you seen it? when you have you seen a top 4 player get traded to a team with a top 2 player?

EVERYONE can go if the end result is KD, kawhi, and AD. sheesh. lol. who messin with that? everyone else is a role player. all the smoke.

Kawhi instead of Kyrie would be huge. But Kyrie is not garbage either. I don't think he even liked Boston's system he played in. I don't think there is any way he will stay there.

But I'd still take Kemba over Kyrie.

not saying kyrie is garbage. i would welcome ANYONE KD wanted to bring along. middleton. butler. harris. IDGAF lol. but i strongly prefer kawhi.

[KnixinSix]

EVERYONE can go if the end result is KD, kawhi, and AD. sheesh. lol. who messin with that? everyone else is a role player. all the smoke.

Kawhi instead of Kyrie would be huge. But Kyrie is not garbage either. I don't think he even liked Boston's system he played in. I don't think there is any way he will stay there.

But I'd still take Kemba over Kyrie.

not saying kyrie is garbage. i would welcome ANYONE KD wanted to bring along. middleton. butler. harris. IDGAF lol. but i strongly prefer kawhi.

Agreed on all points. Kawhi by far but if it isn't whoever comes with KD is fine by me.

[Clyde Frazier]

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[taj2133]

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I rather have the third pick then deal with drama boy lonzo ball and his family.

[Juco24]

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Easy for me... #3 (RJ) - but I've never really liked Ball's game although I also thought he improved dramatically last year. Still not worth this year's #3 imo

[F N 11]

We're getting Anthony Davis. For the Pelicans the concept of teaming up Zion with RJ is just too good to pass up. They'll both be money makers for them.

For the knicks..when AD is healthy and when KD comes you'll arguably have 2 of the top 5 players in the league on your team. If I'm the knicks...I go hard after K.Leonard. and then you'll have 3 of the top 10 players in the league on your team.

Not trading he farm for 1 player. I’ve seen how that ends up. Let’s say Kd do come. It’s KD, AD and a bunch of Anthony Carter’s

when have you seen it? when you have you seen a top 4 player get traded to a team with a top 2 player?

Ive seen how trading the farm for 1 player ends up. Calm down. Referencing the Melo trade.

[F N 11]

No matter what knick fans would always fall into the trap. Keep the flexibility and do it the right way. You got a surprise in Mitch and you expect knox to get better. Then you have the 3rd pick. Invest in your own chit. If 2 max guys want to come here we have more than enough to play with them imo.

First it was yay Kyrie and KP. Now after the trade yall wanna get greedy lol. Maybe im a little invested in the youth. Thats bc we always fall into the trap and never have youth to invest in.

[Tron Carter]

Not trading he farm for 1 player. I’ve seen how that ends up. Let’s say Kd do come. It’s KD, AD and a bunch of Anthony Carter’s

when have you seen it? when you have you seen a top 4 player get traded to a team with a top 2 player?

Ive seen how trading the farm for 1 player ends up. Calm down. Referencing the Melo trade.

our favorite false parallel that everyone always runs with. the melo trade. just ignoring all context.

[moocow007]

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Take the 3rd pick.

Ball is a great passer. But at the end of the day that is the only thing he does well. He's a one dimensional player. He can't shoot (one of the ugliest shooting forms in NBA history) and he can't create his own shot (you don't just start suddenly learn to at this level). He will never be anything more than what he is right now...a tall PG that can make splashy passes in a system where he's surrounded by a bunch of finishers or shooters who otherwise cannot create their own shot opportunities (think about what type of team that is that he'd be best suited for...).

A PG that can't shoot or create shots for himself is an ill fit in today's NBA if you're looking for a star. At least with the 3rd pick the Knicks have a shot at a star and the reality is that the Knicks team (guys that are actually on the team not who might join) are one of the least talented teams in the NBA and one of the few that is lacking a true star. Even if KD comes and brings someeone else, it doesn't mean the Knicks are fine with talent. Top tier talent wins in the NBA. Top tier talent is desirable in the NBA (especially top tier offensive talent in this crazy score heavy reality (doesn't matter if old school guys like it or not or want it to be otherwise). You go with either Morant or Barrett (whoever is left) at 3. At no point would I ever remotely consider swapping #3 for Ball, if that's what Wasserman is implying. No way.

Honestly was never a fan of Ball when he was at UCLA. Way too too too many people still get stuck on the "tall PG equal gold" trap (still remember the crazy love that Mardy Collins got when the Knicks drafted him lol...no matter how much I tried telling folks otherwise). Magic Johnson, Michael Ray Richardson and the like were great PG's not just because they were tall. They were also actually extremely talented in other areas AND could dominate games by themselves. Ball is nothing of the sort. Was clear to me that Ball wouldn't be able to get the shots in the NBA (when watching him in college). That ugly low shotput shooting form and his slow footed dribbling said so. HUGE difference between being able to score in college with those handicaps (going up against smaller, slower less skilled defenders and defensive schemes) and being able to do it in the NBA (where you're going up against bigger, taller, faster and more skilled defenders running professional defenses). Folks can't seem to understand that and seem to continue to not to understand that based on recent opinions of certain soon to be available draftees.

[F N 11]

when have you seen it? when you have you seen a top 4 player get traded to a team with a top 2 player?

Ive seen how trading the farm for 1 player ends up. Calm down. Referencing the Melo trade.

our favorite false parallel that everyone always runs with. the melo trade. just ignoring all context.

Gallo (drafted by NY)
Wilson Chandler (drafted by NY)
Mozgov (knicks find)
Young Felton (having a career year altho he trash)
2014 Pick
2012 Warriors 2nd
2013 Warriors 2nd

tell me again at the time we didnt get robed for a guy who could of simply signed. But noooooo Extension plz. At the time knicks were still recovering from giving up picks in previous years. Then we did Baragani trade in 2016. No one ever learns lets keep doing it....

[Tron Carter]

Ive seen how trading the farm for 1 player ends up. Calm down. Referencing the Melo trade.

our favorite false parallel that everyone always runs with. the melo trade. just ignoring all context.

Gallo (drafted by NY)
Wilson Chandler (drafted by NY)
Mozgov (knicks find)
2014 Pick
2012 Warriors 2nd
2013 Warriors 2nd

tell me again at the time we didnt get robed for a guy who could of simply signed. But noooooo Extension plz. At the time knicks were still recovering from giving up picks in previous years. Then we did Baragani trade in 2016. No one ever learns lets keep doing it....

Again, not even remotely comparable. But let’s keep making the comparison.

[F N 11]

Lakers
Spurs
Pistons
Heat
Mavs
Cavs
Warriors

Champions since the year 2000. You know what all these teams have in common? at least 1 fuqing home grown star.

[F N 11]

our favorite false parallel that everyone always runs with. the melo trade. just ignoring all context.

Gallo (drafted by NY)
Wilson Chandler (drafted by NY)
Mozgov (knicks find)
2014 Pick
2012 Warriors 2nd
2013 Warriors 2nd

tell me again at the time we didnt get robed for a guy who could of simply signed. But noooooo Extension plz. At the time knicks were still recovering from giving up picks in previous years. Then we did Baragani trade in 2016. No one ever learns lets keep doing it....

Again, not even remotely comparable. But let’s keep making the comparison.

You're trying to say something but you're not saying anything.

[Oscirus]

KD, AD, and a 3rd superstar like Kyrie or Kemba, barring injuries of course, wins you a championship in year 1 and probably year 2 3 and 4. Doesn’t matter who the supporting cast is. I’m that confident in how dominant they would be together

Miami couldnt even do that in their prime when the league wasn't ready for a big 3, Im not even sure the Knicks make it out of the east next year with that lineup much less win it all.

[Chanel Bomber]

Who has more upside strictly as a jumpshooter, Barrett or Culver?

Neither one of them shoots well from the free throw line, which is a problem. However Culver did improve his FT% by 5% in his sophomore year, and I sure hope Barrett will do the same.

It’s becoming harder and harder to be a winning player in the NBA without a reliable jumpshot. And the jumpshot is a question mark for all those top prospects. I wouldn’t want to be Scott Perry, whoever we take at 3 will be far from a sure thing.

[F N 11]

KD, AD, and a 3rd superstar like Kyrie or Kemba, barring injuries of course, wins you a championship in year 1 and probably year 2 3 and 4. Doesn’t matter who the supporting cast is. I’m that confident in how dominant they would be together

Miami couldnt even do that in their prime when the league wasn't ready for a big 3, Im not even sure the Knicks make it out of the east next year with that lineup much less win it all.

Remember the drama surrounding them not learning early on how to play together. Lets not forget they added Ray Allen to the mix.

[F N 11]

Who has more upside strictly as a jumpshooter, Barrett or Culver?

Neither one of them shoots well from the free throw line, which is a problem. However Culver did improve his FT% by 5% in his sophomore year, and I sure hope Barrett will do the same.

It’s becoming harder and harder to be a winning player in the NBA without a reliable jumpshot. And the jumpshot is a question mark for all those top prospects. I wouldn’t want to be Scott Perry, whoever we take at 3 will be far from a sure thing.

Culver jumper is like Knox's. Always looks good.

Only knock down shooter right out the gate in the top 5 in my opinion is Darius Garland.

[Tron Carter]

Gallo (drafted by NY)
Wilson Chandler (drafted by NY)
Mozgov (knicks find)
2014 Pick
2012 Warriors 2nd
2013 Warriors 2nd

tell me again at the time we didnt get robed for a guy who could of simply signed. But noooooo Extension plz. At the time knicks were still recovering from giving up picks in previous years. Then we did Baragani trade in 2016. No one ever learns lets keep doing it....

Again, not even remotely comparable. But let’s keep making the comparison.

You're trying to say something but you're not saying anything.

no that’s what you’re doing. we’re not trading ad into the same situation melo had. we’re not trading assets to get the same caliber player as melo.

when you trade for AD, KD and Kyrie follow. that’s where your argument falls apart. you can’t so late that situation to amare, melo, chandler. bring up all the injury concerns you want they’re not comparable.

you actually bringing up guys like mozgov, felton and chandler actually proves my point. because none of them turned out to be shyt. remember when the hold up on the melo deal was mozgov? now he’s an albatross.

you bring up depth but none of those young guys can compete in a playoff situation rn. knox has a historically bad rookie season. idk what turn around you expect from these kids that just lead our team to a league worst record. vet ring chasers in the mold of danny green, james ennis, mike scott etc will be signed for bargains and provide sufficient post season depth. guys that have actually competed in playoff games and know what it takes to win in those atmospheres.

the idea that we’re gonna sign KD, a second max and just roll the ball out with them and kids is a fantasy. which is why I’m not over here crying about rj because there’s a good chance he never plays a game in a knicks uniform.

[Chanel Bomber]

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Ball is shooting under 50% from the FT line as a guard. He’s a hopeless case. I prefer the uncertainty of the #3 pick, or any pick in the top 10 for that matter.

[Tron Carter]

KD, AD, and a 3rd superstar like Kyrie or Kemba, barring injuries of course, wins you a championship in year 1 and probably year 2 3 and 4. Doesn’t matter who the supporting cast is. I’m that confident in how dominant they would be together

Miami couldnt even do that in their prime when the league wasn't ready for a big 3, Im not even sure the Knicks make it out of the east next year with that lineup much less win it all.

Miami made the finals ever year. what team are you taking over the knicks in the east with that hypothetical big 3?