Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides

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Nailed it.

my thoughts on all "that" talk:

[stuporman]

Kēksiņš......

[moocow007]

Imagine watching a sport network, where they talk about a team that made the playoffs last season, and now have 2 max contract worthy players on 4 year contract, and then have a segment where they ask the question: Do the Nets have to win title?

Everyone on the set said different variation of: No, they don't have to win a title with Kyrie and Durant to be viewed as a success, since them not joining the big brother[Knicks], but instead joining the little brother will lay out something better for the organization for decades to come.

I was holding out hope that someone would say, of course they have to win a title, because it they went to the Knicks instead and they didn't win a title it their time with the Knicks would be viewed as a failure.

I thought the "foundation" was laid when the Nets had Kidd, Jefferson and KMart? Then wasn't it laid again when they traded for KG and Pierce? Different arena's but still the same team no?

I guess Chris Mannix, Nick Wright, and Cris Carter are trying to get free tickets to their games.

Yeah just wanted to make sure that you don't think what I said was directed at you.

I was kinda trying to emphasis what you said. I think a lot of this is media fluff. What they said would have worked IF KD didn't rupture his Achilles. But now? I think what this will do is sell tickets and maybe add to the Nets fanbase. It'll likely be worth the investment. But ultimately sustained success or failure of the Nets franchise won't be determined by this summer. I mean don't get me wrong, the Nets are heading in the right direction and Sean Marks has done a great job considering he started with pretty much nothing. But I don't see this as a big enough summer for decades long impact. I mean the whole KG and Pierce thing seemed to be brilliant at the time as well. As we found out, the brilliance ended up being Danny Ainge.

[Besart19]

The plan is another tank...

If Kawhi sign 1 year deal, we gotta go all in after him

Him and Oladipo... we shall have plenty of cap space. If needed you trade Randle for cap space, though I think we should get Oladipo via trade to have a lower cap hold with the picks we have.

Mitch
Randle
Kawhi
Barrett
Oladipo

For me thats a East champ at least

[3toheadmelo]

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[mpharris36]

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he needs to give me something "anything" on the defense end this year.

[moocow007]

The plan is another tank...

If Kawhi sign 1 year deal, we gotta go all in after him

Him and Oladipo... we shall have plenty of cap space. If needed you trade Randle for cap space, though I think we should get Oladipo via trade to have a lower cap hold with the picks we have.

Mitch
Randle
Kawhi
Barrett
Oladipo

For me thats a East champ at least

I think the plan is to be competitive enough so that big name free agents (in 2020 or 2021...or even beyond) may actually consider the Knicks. It's basically what the Nets did. I mean the Nets by no means was a real good team last season. But they were highly competitive, and were good enough and their front office seemingly stable enough (and headed in the right direction) for free agents to consider them. The signings the Knicks have made doesn't indicate to me Perry's plan is to tank but rather to be competitive like the Nets were last season. IF, for arguments sake, the Knicks are able to get to 35 wins (not totally out of the question) that would be more than doubling their win total from last season. If their talented young guys take another step up (and the Knicks do have some nice talent that could develop into great supporting casts for superstar players) then that also becomes much more attractive.

[moocow007]

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Randle was a very good signing.

He's still just 24 years old and has improved each season. He has some bad habits and definitely can be more consistent on defense but there's a whole lot of talent there. Randle has shown that he want's to improve which is what you want your young guys to show. It's up to the Knicks to try to develop him even more.

Somebody posted a before and after of Oladipo and how that dedication resulted in Oladipo's career jump. Here's Randles before (when he first came into the NBA) and after (which caused the jump in his overall game this past season+):

[F N 11]

I’m not worried about Randle one bit. He will blow up in NYC. All star this year.

[Big Chan]

The funny thing is the KG PP trade is what actually put the Nets into this position, not having control of their own pick for 5 years made it so they couldn’t tank, which lead to them actually attempting to get better and grow whatever talent they could assemble.

[Jeff Van Gully]

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Randle was a very good signing.

He's still just 24 years old and has improved each season. He has some bad habits and definitely can be more consistent on defense but there's a whole lot of talent there. Randle has shown that he want's to improve which is what you want your young guys to show. It's up to the Knicks to try to develop him even more.

Somebody posted a before and after of Oladipo and how that dedication resulted in Oladipo's career jump. Here's Randles before (when he first came into the NBA) and after (which caused the jump in his overall game this past season+):

the defense still concerns me, but i've come around on this signing. dude went from having serious conditioning concerns to being a gym rat and a bit of a lunch pail hard hat guy. just goes to show the need for patience in development. you draft kids, it's still a while before they are men. randle will hopefully continue his maturation in a knick uniform.

[Jeff Van Gully]

The funny thing is the KG PP trade is what actually put the Nets into this position, not having control of their own pick for 5 years made it so they couldn’t tank, which lead to them actually attempting to get better and grow whatever talent they could assemble.

it's true that tanking wasn't an option when they were out of picks. they also used cap space to bring in dlo and brought him into that culture.

[dakomish23]

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Randle was a very good signing.

He's still just 24 years old and has improved each season. He has some bad habits and definitely can be more consistent on defense but there's a whole lot of talent there. Randle has shown that he want's to improve which is what you want your young guys to show. It's up to the Knicks to try to develop him even more.

Somebody posted a before and after of Oladipo and how that dedication resulted in Oladipo's career jump. Here's Randles before (when he first came into the NBA) and after (which caused the jump in his overall game this past season+):

Not a coincidence. Getting your body right always helps talented young players take it up a notch.

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Randle was a very good signing.

He's still just 24 years old and has improved each season. He has some bad habits and definitely can be more consistent on defense but there's a whole lot of talent there. Randle has shown that he want's to improve which is what you want your young guys to show. It's up to the Knicks to try to develop him even more.

Somebody posted a before and after of Oladipo and how that dedication resulted in Oladipo's career jump. Here's Randles before (when he first came into the NBA) and after (which caused the jump in his overall game this past season+):

Nice Moo...its good to have you back around...

[Context]

I’m not worried about Randle one bit. He will blow up in NYC. All star this year.

yeah i think Randle-Portis and Payton are sleeper signings...

[K_ick_God]

Brass tacks on a 1 for 1 comparison, isn’t it a tossup at worst whether 26 yo healthy Randle will be a better and more efficient scorer than 32 yo rehabbing KD?

[Clyde_Style]

The plan is another tank...

If Kawhi sign 1 year deal, we gotta go all in after him

Him and Oladipo... we shall have plenty of cap space. If needed you trade Randle for cap space, though I think we should get Oladipo via trade to have a lower cap hold with the picks we have.

Mitch
Randle
Kawhi
Barrett
Oladipo

For me thats a East champ at least

You mean YOUR plan

No Tank for You!

Sorry to break the news to you Besart, but you are no longer running the franchise.

The Godfather has replaced you

My conDolances

[K_ick_God]

The funny thing is the KG PP trade is what actually put the Nets into this position, not having control of their own pick for 5 years made it so they couldn’t tank, which lead to them actually attempting to get better and grow whatever talent they could assemble.

it's true that tanking wasn't an option when they were out of picks. they also used cap space to bring in dlo and brought him into that culture.

Yeah good points but the Nets being better than the Knicks as a mediocre playoff team seems overrated as far as what drove KD there. And Kyrie.

They didn’t want the savior role. They wanted NY on their terms.

Still seems more about avoiding the Knicks than being able to join the “very successful” Nets. That’s a joke.

KD didn’t have the stomach for it and maybe his injury played a big role.

[Clyde_Style]

Brass tacks on a 1 for 1 comparison, isn’t it a tossup at worst whether 26 yo healthy Randle will be a better and more efficient scorer than 32 yo rehabbing KD?

KD will never be able to get rough and dirty like a stronger, younger and healthy Randle can and will. Granted they are two different kinds of players really, but KD is going to have to rely on his jumper more than ever and may have less ability to take his man off the dribble which will limit his offensive choices. If KD elevates his passing game, he may compensate for some of the loss to his movement abilities.

Randle will enter his prime as a Knick. He will be worth his contract whereas KD will almost definitely not.

And when you price in their relative costs vs. value gained, the Knicks got the better deal by a long shot IMO.

[makeitstop]

Yeah good points but the Nets being better than the Knicks as a mediocre playoff team seems overrated as far as what drove KD there. And Kyrie.

They didn’t want the savior role. They wanted NY on their terms.

Still seems more about avoiding the Knicks than being able to join the “very successful” Nets. That’s a joke.

KD didn’t have the stomach for it and maybe his injury played a big role.

100%. Like I said the other day, Brooklyn ain't some great franchise, they're just slightly better than the Knicks at this point in time.

KD knows that the NY media would chew him up if he was a Knick, and going to Brooklyn gets him a softer ride.