Trades and Transactions thread - To the offseason!

[malik959]

Not a huge fan either, but I know he can still turn out to be a decent starter. He's not selfish just needs to see the bigger picture

[Richard4444]

The front office were in a tricky situation.

1) The best option were to make piece with KP and convince him to resign. However the relationship could not be savable.

2) We could call his bluff and bully him to take the deal. But we know he could be crazy and pissed enough to be the first player to reject a max deal after rookie contract. That was a kind of risky move. The whole franchise destiny could stay on his hands.

3) We had to trade him after rejecting the first 2 options (make piece or call the bluff) and before the deadline when we still can trade him for any team we want.

4) KP market value was low. a) Injury Prone player. B) Max salary guy, c) Player who doesn't prove his offense efficiency, overall durability and stamina though a season, d) Player who is trying to bluff his way to be traded for some specific teams (threatening to take the QO if he doesnt like his new destination)

5) The better approach was trying to get good rookie players who does not compromise cap space and still have some rookie years left. The options are limited (from draft 2017 or draft 2018). The team would not to get rid of great players in rookie contracts to sign a max player. Probably only a player who has potential but was struggling would be considered in a deal.

6) Dallas made an offer above the market. Dennis would fit in the mold of struggling players who had potential. But the main asset was cap space. To properly profit from the trade we would need to use wisely that cap space.

7) Maybe the Front Office could have waited for better offer. But I think they feared Dallas would have withdrawed the offer after more details about the feud with KP have surfaced.

8) If we were convicted to not max any second tiers Max FA like Middleton, Butler and Kemba, we put all the eggs in the KD signing basket.

9) We maybe never know how far KP signing was. And the kind of back channels talk about KP signing. No one would admit have such talkings due the violation of CBA rules. And there were the possibility that his injury could have killed the deal. The deal maybe got too risk to Durant (he would be alone in a loser team) and to the Knicks (could turn out to be dead cap weight for several seasons).

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[knickstape4ever]

I just want a lineup of

Haliburton / Frank
LaVine / Nesmith
RJ / Iggy
Morris / Wooten
Mitch / Taj

I like the idea of bringing Morris back; he's the ideal 4 next to Mitch and he's a leader

[NYF13]

I would think if Morris is interested you bring him back for the expense of Ellington and Portis. That itself is a win-win situation for the Knicks. Give him both their money for 2 years contrat if it had to.

And then you could trade Randle and build upon the core.

[Richard4444]

Morris is not a ideal fit for the current Knicks situation. He is already 30. He will improve Knicks in our current development state (Aka tanking time) and can be a burden contract when we start to contend (getting injury prone, loose efficiency by the older age or take cap space avoiding us to contract a star in next seasons assuming he takes a 3 or 4 year deal).

Bertans or Grant could be better options.

[knickstape4ever]

Morris is not a ideal fit for the current Knicks situation. He is already 30. He will improve Knicks in our current development state (Aka tanking time) and can be a burden contract when we start to contend (getting injury prone, loose efficiency by the older age or take cap space avoiding us to contract a star in next seasons assuming he takes a 3 or 4 year deal).

Bertans or Grant could be better options.

personally, I'm not concerned w/ Morris' age; at 30 he's playing the best ball of his career; IMO he's a good option b/c of hit fit as a stretch 4 next to Mitch and his leadership.

If the 2 building blocks of this team are RJ and Mitch, we still need another bonafide scorer. As for tanking, with the flattened odds it's really not worthwhile to completely tank; I'd say the benefit of being a competitive team (so young players don't get accustomed to losing) outweighs the benefit of being a few spots higher in the lottery. Even w/ Morris, I'd still expect us to be a lottery team next year in what supposedly is a pretty deep draft

I also don't think a Morris contract would be too much of a burden; with the cap expected to be lower, the Clippers may be less willing to re-sign Morris, leaving few teams with the cap space to actually sign him (Hawks, Hornets, Pistons, Heat, Suns); an offer of 2yr/30-34M should be able to get him

we currently have very little committed in 2021: ~47M (including estimates for 2020 draft class, cap hold on Frank, picking up options on Knox, Mitch, Iggy, excluding: Randle (4M cap hit remains tho), cap hold on DSJ)

even w/ Morris, we'd still have more than enough to sign a max FA; and if a 2nd max FA wanted to come, I doubt it would be too hard to trade Morris; plenty of contenders would likely have interest

[robillionaire]

portis seems like he could be a decent stretch 4 if they could convince him to just hang out on the perimeter and take open 3s instead of doing everything else he does. or we could kick the tires on gallo. or trade randle for kevin love. or try to draft one. bertans would also be a good pickup. at this point i'm targeting every FA who can shoot

[HarthorneWingo]

portis seems like he could be a decent stretch 4 if they could convince him to just hang out on the perimeter and take open 3s instead of doing everything else he does. or we could kick the tires on gallo. or trade randle for kevin love. or try to draft one. bertans would also be a good pickup. at this point i'm targeting every FA who can shoot

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[newyorker4ever]

I just want a lineup of

Haliburton / Frank
LaVine / Nesmith
RJ / Iggy
Morris / Wooten
Mitch / Taj

I like the idea of bringing Morris back; he's the ideal 4 next to Mitch and he's a leader

I'd be all in for getting M.Morris back but think the Clippers end up re-signing him. My guy i really want really really bad for our PF spot is lauri Markkanan. He's unhappy in Chicago right now and they're in the process of making over their entire front office so this is the time to go get him. He's a great fit next to M.Robinson to. Get us a PG that can shoot or if they end up getting L.Ball then move RJ Barrett to SF and get a SG that can shoot....Ummmmmm B.Beal please and we really have something to move forward with.

PG--L.Ball, C.Anthony, T.Haliburton
SG--B.Beal
SF--RJ Barrett
PF--L.Markkanan
C---M.Robinson

I'd trade multiple 1st round picks and any players but RJ and Mitch to get Beal and Markkanan but would probably have to trade at least one of the two in any deal for Beal or Markannan.

[robillionaire]

I just want a lineup of

Haliburton / Frank
LaVine / Nesmith
RJ / Iggy
Morris / Wooten
Mitch / Taj

I like the idea of bringing Morris back; he's the ideal 4 next to Mitch and he's a leader

I'd be all in for getting M.Morris back but think the Clippers end up re-signing him. My guy i really want really really bad for our PF spot is lauri Markkanan. He's unhappy in Chicago right now and they're in the process of making over their entire front office so this is the time to go get him. He's a great fit next to M.Robinson to. Get us a PG that can shoot or if they end up getting L.Ball then move RJ Barrett to SF and get a SG that can shoot....Ummmmmm B.Beal please and we really have something to move forward with.

PG--L.Ball, C.Anthony, T.Haliburton
SG--B.Beal
SF--RJ Barrett
PF--L.Markkanan
C---M.Robinson

I'd trade multiple 1st round picks and any players but RJ and Mitch to get Beal and Markkanan but would probably have to trade at least one of the two in any deal for Beal or Markannan.

i don't know if they want to trade markkanen anymore now that they fired the entire front office maybe that appeased him

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[WargamesX]

So the more I read about the cap going down, the more I feel confidant Gordon Hayward isn't going to be a Celtic after this current contract. It would have been difficult with the cap staying in place. Now They are paying Kemba and Brown what would be around half their cap space then and have to pay Tatum in 2022.

Knicks should target Gordon in 2021.

[Juco24]

So the more I read about the cap going down, the more I feel confidant Gordon Hayward isn't going to be a Celtic after this current contract. It would have been difficult with the cap staying in place. Now They are paying Kemba and Brown what would be around half their cap space then and have to pay Tatum in 2022.

Knicks should target Gordon in 2021.

Why? Always felt he was overrated and that was before the injury.

[WargamesX]

So the more I read about the cap going down, the more I feel confidant Gordon Hayward isn't going to be a Celtic after this current contract. It would have been difficult with the cap staying in place. Now They are paying Kemba and Brown what would be around half their cap space then and have to pay Tatum in 2022.

Knicks should target Gordon in 2021.

Why? Always felt he was overrated and that was before the injury.

I think he could be the scoring catalyst to take a mostly young team to the playoffs for most of his contract. Like RJ, and Mitch are the future, but at 30, Hayward could probably take the scoring load and let them to continue to develop naturally. Also he fits between them better than most.

This would be great for a young team because it would give them playoff experience before they go into their primes. By the end of the contract the youth core would then be going into their primes and hopefully able to succeed with out him.

Also starting to really focus on winning in 2021 is great because that next draft is the double double 2022 draft and the two 2023 picks mean we can add roleplayers to support playoff runs.

[Richard4444]

Knicks has $82,847,203 (from 11 players under contract for next year),

Julius Randle $18,900,000
Bobby Portis (TO) $15,750,000
Taj Gibson $9,450,000
Wayne Ellington $8,000,000
Elfrid Payton $8,000,000
RJ Barrett $8,231,760
Joakim Noah $6,431,666
Frank Ntilikina $6,176,578
Dennis Smith $5,686,677 $7,705,447 $0 $0
Kevin Knox $4,588,680
Reggie Bullock $4,200,000 $0 $0 $0
Mitchell Robinson $1,559,712 $1,663,861 $1,802,057 $0 $0
Ignas Brazdeikis $1,517,981


If we waive Ports (TO) and the non guaranteed part of Taj, Payton and Wayne deals, we would have 60,3M of payroll and 8 players under contract. With 3 Rookies and Dotson, we would had 12 players and 70,8M payroll.

Julius Randle $18,900,000
RJ Barrett $8,231,760
Joakim Noah $6,431,666
Frank Ntilikina $6,176,578
Dennis Smith $5,686,677 $7,705,447 $0 $0
Kevin Knox $4,588,680
Reggie Bullock $4,200,000 $0 $0 $0
Mitchell Robinson $1,559,712 $1,663,861 $1,802,057 $0 $0
Ignas Brazdeikis $1,517,981
Pick 7 or 8 4,500.000 (we have 50,4% of picking 7 or 8 against 36,2% of picking 1-4).
Pick 27 2.000.000
Pick 36 1.500.000
Dotson Cap Hold 2.500.000
Dead Cap by waiving 3.000.000
Total: 70,8M

If the Cap space were lowered to 100M, we would have 29,2M of cap space available and almost nobody would have Cap Space.

The best alternatives would be to sell cap space for picks. We could aim Hayward or Conley.

Knicks take: Hayward (34,2M), Kanter (5M) and 17th pick.
Celtics take: Randle (19,9M) and 19,3M of salary cap relief (saving almost 66M in taxes if the Cap space drops to 100M and luxury tax to 120M).

Knicks take: Conley (34,5M), Ed Davis (5M) and 24th pick
Utah take: Randle (19,9M) and 19,6M of salary cap relief

Another alternative/complementary strategy is aiming players to get on discount: few teams have cap space left and the majority would be above tax line and cant offer full MLE. Try to pay around 10M to get Fred Van Vleet, Joe Harris, Gasol, Ibaka, Milsap, Bertans, Wood, Whiteside, Harrel, Galo, Favors or Tristan.

[WargamesX]

Knicks has $82,847,203 (from 11 players under contract for next year),

Julius Randle $18,900,000
Bobby Portis (TO) $15,750,000
Taj Gibson $9,450,000
Wayne Ellington $8,000,000
Elfrid Payton $8,000,000
RJ Barrett $8,231,760
Joakim Noah $6,431,666
Frank Ntilikina $6,176,578
Dennis Smith $5,686,677 $7,705,447 $0 $0
Kevin Knox $4,588,680
Reggie Bullock $4,200,000 $0 $0 $0
Mitchell Robinson $1,559,712 $1,663,861 $1,802,057 $0 $0
Ignas Brazdeikis $1,517,981


If we waive Ports (TO) and the non guaranteed part of Taj, Payton and Wayne deals, we would have 60,3M of payroll and 8 players under contract. With 3 Rookies and Dotson, we would had 12 players and 70,8M payroll.

Julius Randle $18,900,000
RJ Barrett $8,231,760
Joakim Noah $6,431,666
Frank Ntilikina $6,176,578
Dennis Smith $5,686,677 $7,705,447 $0 $0
Kevin Knox $4,588,680
Reggie Bullock $4,200,000 $0 $0 $0
Mitchell Robinson $1,559,712 $1,663,861 $1,802,057 $0 $0
Ignas Brazdeikis $1,517,981
Pick 7 or 8 4,500.000 (we have 50,4% of picking 7 or 8 against 36,2% of picking 1-4).
Pick 27 2.000.000
Pick 36 1.500.000
Dotson Cap Hold 2.500.000
Dead Cap by waiving 3.000.000
Total: 70,8M

If the Cap space were lowered to 100M, we would have 29,2M of cap space available and almost nobody would have Cap Space.

The best alternatives would be to sell cap space for picks. We could aim Hayward or Conley.

Knicks take: Hayward (34,2M), Kanter (5M) and 17th pick.
Celtics take: Randle (19,9M) and 19,3M of salary cap relief (saving almost 66M in taxes if the Cap space drops to 100M and luxury tax to 120M).

Knicks take: Conley (34,5M), Ed Davis (5M) and 24th pick
Utah take: Randle (19,9M) and 19,6M of salary cap relief

Another alternative/complementary strategy is aiming players to get on discount: few teams have cap space left and the majority would be above tax line and cant offer full MLE. Try to pay around 10M to get Fred Van Vleet, Joe Harris, Gasol, Ibaka, Milsap, Bertans, Wood, Whiteside, Harrel, Galo, Favors or Tristan.

A few things

That Noah waive on the low might be one of the worst things Phil did here.

That Gordan plan is great! we would be adding a good player, a pick, and still have the cap room to fill out the roster.

Another possibility could be to merge strategies. The Knicks could take advantage of the Wolves who have already come out and said they want to keep Malik Beasly and Juancho.

Knicks take: James Johnson (15,1) and pick 16
Wolves take: Either DSJ + 7 Mil trade exception or 15.1 trade exception and second-rounders.

If they take the former the Knicks would have 21 Mil in Free agency and if they took the latter they would still have 14 Mil to spend. That would still give us money to build our roster.

Also not discussed here so far is the knicks could get real gully and request draft picks from better drafts like 2021 or 2022 for salary help.

I knew cap space was going to be a resource, but its now a major resource. Hiring a Capologist was a great move by Leon.

[Signature NYK]

My ideal offseason

Trade Randle and fillers for Kevin love

Draft Lamelo with lotto pick. (Trade up if you have too. I am a believer)
Draft Jahmi'us Ramsey with 27th or wherever it is (Potentially gone in Lamelo trade smh)

Sign Christian Wood on a show me deal (would prolly have to open up the bank a little here tho smh)

Lamelo/DSJ/Frank
Ramsey/Frank/Trier
RJ/Dot/Knox
Love/Wood/Knox
Mitch/Wood/Taj


Give LaMelo the keys. Team can run the floor. Multiple Ball handlers/decent passers with one elite one (Ball). Ramsey and Love space the floor as legit shooters. Mitch can run the floor and Rim protect. RJ an all around type player that can contribute on both ends. Hopefully he can improve his shooting from outside. Ramsey, RJ and Mitch can be plus defenders (So can Love when engaged) We get the DSJ and Frank combo we wanted just off the bench lol I think DSJ and Wood would excel together and Frank can work his way into the starting lineup if his 3 pointer is falling.

Feel like this is all possible and not over the top. Also we actually have the draft capital and assets to trade up for the PG we want this time unlike 2008 smh (Not comparing Ball to Steph but you get the picture)

[Deeeez Knicks]

Keep it simple this offseason. Add another lotto pick in '21 and hopefully we can be in business soon.

-Trade Randle + DSJ for Batum + 2nd rounders/whatever
-Draft LaMelo, Paul Reed, Desmond Bane
-resign Dot
-Sign Taj Gibson + Marcus Morris to 1 year deals
-Keep Bullock (to shop around) and get rid of other bums
-Use rest of cap space to try to get picks/assets or save for future deal
-Fill out roster with cheap, young players

Mitch | Taj | Wooten
Morris | Knox | Reed
RJ | Iggy | Batum
Bullock | Dotson | Bane
LaMelo Ball | Frank | Kadeem Allen

[mpharris36]

Keep it simple this offseason. Add another lotto pick in '21 and hopefully we can be in business soon.

-Trade Randle + DSJ for Batum + 2nd rounders/whatever
-Draft LaMelo, Paul Reed, Desmond Bane
-resign Dot
-Sign Taj Gibson + Marcus Morris to 1 year deals
-Keep Bullock (to shop around) and get rid of other bums
-Use rest of cap space to try to get picks/assets or save for future deal
-Fill out roster with cheap, young players

Mitch | Taj | Wooten
Morris | Knox | Reed
RJ | Iggy | Batum
Bullock | Dotson | Bane
LaMelo Ball | Frank | Kadeem Allen

I would prefer Bertans over Morris but I doubt we can get Bertans on a 1+1 deal. We might be able to get Morris on a 1+1 but as long as he's playing the 4 position I'm good with it.

Other than that its a really good offseason. Who's your pick for coach?

Jalen Smith or Paul Read or Patrick Williams fits that backup 4 role very nicely. All could be likely with our 27th pick.

And the other factor is we pretty much only have a 9% chance at Lamelo. So the question would that is a dreamful draft selection. Who is the most likely at 7 or 8 where we have a 50% chance of drafting?