2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch

[Oscirus]

If 2020 actually delivers me a senate that is graham free for 6 years I will forget one of its travesties. Lets go.

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Honestly Trumps post office shananigans probably helped with the enthusiasm, so thanks for that I suppose.

Trump screwed himself. The only people he may have discouraged from voting are Trump voters. Some of the GOP leadership thought it was a bad idea that would hurt them and they were right. But Trump is too stupid to reason with. And I'm glad he is.

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Senate race in Montana polling in a dead heat

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The Superspreader In Chief on his way to Florida to get fellated by his cult

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The Superspreader In Chief on his way to Florida to get fellated by his cult

So no one is going to point out that he’s trying to kill people?

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Facts without context are cheats. Reid was forced to kill the filibuster cuz the republicans were using it to stymie Obamas picks at every turn. So while the bull they pulled with garland was better known, it was only the tip of the iceberg of the **** they were pulling with Obama's lower court appointments. Theres a reason there were so many openings for Trump to fill. Also, you know what senators said when asked about allowing Hillary to pick if she won? We can do with 8. So I guess they forgot to be worried about tradition then. Biden not committing to one side or another is a warning, not an indication of anything... yet.

Trumps actions speak for themselves. It's alot easier to bull the populace when you're a relative unknown with no real record to run on facing probably the most unpopular democrat that was forced down everybody's throat. And while yes biden isn't like the others who have unseated incumbents, trump is a whole lot worse than the incumbents who have been unseated. Dems dont have to smear trump, he plays himself with every action, every word that he blusters not just on tv, but on twitter for all to see.

Harry Reid was never forced to do anything he was a hyper partisan **** who screwed with Bush's appointments and cried wolf when Obama's appointments were on pace with Bush's. Tough **** Harry.

https://www.lee.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/op-eds?ID=27dac90e-11a3-48d1-b970-19c2894530a5

In an attempt to create the perception of Republican resistance, Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev), has taken the extraordinary step of scheduling contentious cloture votes for 17 nominees who were otherwise on the normal path to routine confirmation, claiming “delay for delay’s sake.”

Of course, these desperate claims are entirely false: the Senate has already confirmed more of President Obama’s nominees (129) than it did during President George W. Bush’s entire second term (120), and has done so at an almost identical pace (average of 218 and 211 days, respectively, from nomination to confirmation). Indeed, not long ago Reid acknowledged that the Senate has “done a good job on nominations,” and a Judiciary Committee Democrat recently noted that we have been “speeding up the confirmation of judges.”

Claims of Republican obstruction are not only demonstrably false, they are highly hypocritical. The very Democrats now seeking to manufacture confirmation controversy personally devised and carried out a systematic effort to block President Bush’s judicial nominees through an unprecedented use of the Senate filibuster.

It is a matter of historical record that beginning in 2001, Senate Democrats dramatically changed the confirmation process. Throughout the Bush administration, Democrats actively sought to block numerous judicial nominees, forcing more than 30 cloture votes as Republicans tried to end persistent Democratic filibuster efforts.  
Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), voted against cloture a record-setting 27 times. Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), cast 26 votes to filibuster Bush nominees and, in 2003, defiantly declared: “Yes, we are blocking judges by filibuster. That is part of the hallowed process around here.”  

Even Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who now claims to have been “respectful of President Bush’s appointments,” repeatedly joined with Democratic colleagues in attempting to filibuster judicial confirmations, including seven separate votes against cloture for the nomination of Miguel Estrada—one of the nation’s leading appellate lawyers—to the D.C. Circuit.  

Not to be outdone, Reid took virtually every opportunity to block Bush nominees, voting against cloture on 26 separate occasions. In his view there was no amount of time—“not a number in the universe”—that would be adequate for debate on the filibustered nominees.

Hyperpartisan he says as he posts an oped from the same mike lee who said this aint a democracy.

Democrats were blocking so hard, they gave up the supreme court not too far off from an election where it was a pretty safe bet that they'd win, but sure play the victim. Thats all yall are good for anyway.

Was anything wrong with the facts Mike Lee presented? His opinion of course can be argued but was there anything factually incorrect? Maybe he did get something wrong, I'm willing to listen. If the Obama confirmations were on pace with the Bush ones where exactly does Reid get to claim obstruction and do away with the filibuster? Can you answer that?

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Senate race in Montana polling in a dead heat

Wow that’s surprising. Not that I think the State polls are 100% accurate but it’s an interesting trend.

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Honestly Trumps post office shananigans probably helped with the enthusiasm, so thanks for that I suppose.

Trump screwed himself. The only people he may have discouraged from voting are Trump voters. Some of the GOP leadership thought it was a bad idea that would hurt them and they were right. But Trump is too stupid to reason with. And I'm glad he is.

Some states have rules that if you request a mail in ballot you have to bring it to the poll if you’re going to vote in person. The perfect outcome would be for a bunch of Trump voters to have their ballots spoiled or thrown out because of the stupidity of their guy.

[BallSacBounce]

What are the "enthusiasm" numbers?

In this outdoor event you can hear Trump supporters drowning out the outdrawn for his own rally Biden's speech with chants of four more years.

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And as I noted earlier, police in Miami said there were 30,000 vehicles in the pro Trump car rally organized by Latinos and I read Biden had 15 for his Miami car rally. That 15 was unconfirmed by police however so there's still some hope that number is at least somewhat incorrect.

Yes the overwhelming force of *checks notes* dozens of Trump supporters. You’re not really reinforcing your point here.

Huh, really? Are you sure? It was a BIDEN rally and a couple of dozen Trump Supporters were able to drown them out.

Meanwhile, THIRTY **** THOUSAND! vehicles were reported by Miami PD to have been there for a Trump rally. Which happened to be organized by Latinos, a desparately needed demographic for any hope at all for a Florida Democratic win.

What are your feelings vis a vis voter enthusiasm and the 30K vehicles that showed up for a Latinos for Trump car rally? Anything comparable for Biden?

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Joe is confused again...his dementia thought for the day.

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Harry Reid was never forced to do anything he was a hyper partisan **** who screwed with Bush's appointments and cried wolf when Obama's appointments were on pace with Bush's. Tough **** Harry.

https://www.lee.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/op-eds?ID=27dac90e-11a3-48d1-b970-19c2894530a5

Hyperpartisan he says as he posts an oped from the same mike lee who said this aint a democracy.

Democrats were blocking so hard, they gave up the supreme court not too far off from an election where it was a pretty safe bet that they'd win, but sure play the victim. Thats all yall are good for anyway.

Was anything wrong with the facts Mike Lee presented? His opinion of course can be argued but was there anything factually incorrect? Maybe he did get something wrong, I'm willing to listen. If the Obama confirmations were on pace with the Bush ones where exactly does Reid get to claim obstruction and do away with the filibuster? Can you answer that?

As Ive said before, facts without context are cheats. Obama had a dem majority for his first term, hell had a filibuster proof majority for half of it, so comparing the numbers and not to take into account that alot of those happened after the filibuster was killed while at the same time acting like this was due to the republicans is to state disingenuous facts.

Merrick garland is proof that they were obstructionists, the fact that they were sitting on so many appointments in Obamas second term that I believe that Trump set a record for appointments. Hell mcconnells on record as saying that blocking the supreme court pick was his greatest accomplishment. Luckily for your side, you'll likely have nothing to worry about as long as that west virginian bitch remains on the senate, but it is fun to watch yall sweat even if it is only for a few short months.

[HarthorneWingo]

The numbers are saying that it's not just about turnout. Joe Biden actually also persuaded people.

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I think there’s a potential surprise wave of new voters showing up to vote for Biden could really push things over the top in his favor. So far the strategy has been to peel off some Republicans and Independents, the turnout strategy is tricky as we saw in the primary with Bernie. The thing about these polls is that they’re not factoring in first time voters. There has been a lot of work registering and activating new voters from the Democrats. The youth vote is heavily being discounted here but if they show up in force it’s a game changer.

I agree. Whatever the split is on election day, there are so many of us, myself included, who will go vote early in-person, to avoid using mail and drop boxes and also to get our vote counted ahead of November 3rd. And I think this surge is underway right now and it is likely heavily favoring Biden. It could be enough to top off the election night totals to issue electoral projections even if the final result takes another week or so. I don't think Trump is going to be able to litigate and stall his way into January like some think. I think this will be called decisively for Biden no later than mid-November if not sooner.

“Modest persuasion “? is that more or less important than “enthusiasm”?

How does that work? I’m thinking of a Monty Python skit right now.

[HarthorneWingo]

Trump is trying to buy off the farmers with large subsidies before the election.

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Go to the tweet, click on the image and scroll through it to real the full quote. Chomsky is saying exactly what I was saying after Biden took a dominant lead in the primaries, but if you look at the Twitter comments it is still chock full of leftist snowflakes.

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Go to the tweet, click on the image and scroll through it to real the full quote. Chomsky is saying exactly what I was saying after Biden took a dominant lead in the primaries, but if you look at the Twitter comments it is still chock full of leftist snowflakes.

Haha, you cited Chomsky. Now, I have you in my clutches!!!

Chomsky's said that Trump is worse than Hitler.

[HarthorneWingo]

I guess hatred of Trump is driving voter enthusiasm.

Anyhow, here some more good news. But we're not there yet.

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