2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go

[Deeeez Knicks]

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Number 8

Year Player School/Country – Team

2019 Jaxson Hayes, Texas – New Orleans Pelicans
2018 Collin Sexton, Alabama – Cleveland Cavaliers
2017 Frank Ntilikina, France – New York Knicks
2016 Marquese Chriss, Washington – Sacramento Kings
2015 Stanley Johnson, Arizona – Detroit Pistons
2014 Nik Stauskas, Michigan – Sacramento Kings
2013 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Georgia – Detroit Pistons
2012 Terrence Ross, Washington – Toronto Raptors
2011 Brandon Knight, Kentucky – Detroit Pistons
2010 Al-Farouq Aminu, Wake Forest – L.A. Clippers

2000’s

2009 Jordan Hill, Arizona – New York Knicks
2008 Joe Alexander, West Virginia – Milwaukee Bucks
2007 Brandan Wright, North Carolina – Charlotte Bobcats (Draft rights traded to Golden State Warriors)
2006 Rudy Gay, Connecticut – Houston Rockets (Draft rights traded to Memphis Grizzlies)
2005 Channing Frye, Arizona – New York Knicks
2004 Rafael Araujo, BYU – Toronto Raptors
2003 T.J. Ford, Texas – Milwaukee Bucks
2002 Chris Wilcox, Maryland – L.A. Clippers
2001 DeSagana Diop, Oak Hill Academy (Va.) – Cleveland Cavaliers
2000 Jamal Crawford, Michigan – Cleveland Cavaliers (Draft rights traded to Chicago Bulls)

Yea, that might be even worse. The reality of the pick and the draft. Just hope they can do better. Pick #8 is due

[sol537]

If Isiah Were in Charge:

1) Mitch Robinson + 8th + 27th for #2 + Wiggins
2) Drafts Obi Toppin with #2
3) Trades RJ, Frank, two Dallas picks for Westbrook
4) Signs Carmelo for full MLE 4 years
5) Trades Randle + three 1st rounders for Chris Paul

Paul
Westbrook
Wiggins
Melo
Taj Gibson

6th seed in the first year
lotto team the next three seasons when Paul and/or Westbrook get injured; only second rounders left to upgrade talent

[HEZI]

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Number 8

Year Player School/Country – Team

2019 Jaxson Hayes, Texas – New Orleans Pelicans
2018 Collin Sexton, Alabama – Cleveland Cavaliers
2017 Frank Ntilikina, France – New York Knicks
2016 Marquese Chriss, Washington – Sacramento Kings
2015 Stanley Johnson, Arizona – Detroit Pistons
2014 Nik Stauskas, Michigan – Sacramento Kings
2013 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Georgia – Detroit Pistons
2012 Terrence Ross, Washington – Toronto Raptors
2011 Brandon Knight, Kentucky – Detroit Pistons
2010 Al-Farouq Aminu, Wake Forest – L.A. Clippers

2000’s

2009 Jordan Hill, Arizona – New York Knicks
2008 Joe Alexander, West Virginia – Milwaukee Bucks
2007 Brandan Wright, North Carolina – Charlotte Bobcats (Draft rights traded to Golden State Warriors)
2006 Rudy Gay, Connecticut – Houston Rockets (Draft rights traded to Memphis Grizzlies)
2005 Channing Frye, Arizona – New York Knicks
2004 Rafael Araujo, BYU – Toronto Raptors
2003 T.J. Ford, Texas – Milwaukee Bucks
2002 Chris Wilcox, Maryland – L.A. Clippers
2001 DeSagana Diop, Oak Hill Academy (Va.) – Cleveland Cavaliers
2000 Jamal Crawford, Michigan – Cleveland Cavaliers (Draft rights traded to Chicago Bulls)

this is brutal.

2020- Devin Vassell, Florida State - New York Knicks

[ibraheim718]

Why in the world are some of you guys holding out hope for that scrub Frank Nktittylina? Snap out of it.

[SARGO127]

Please bring us Haliburton, Lewis, or Hayes.

[Juco24]

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Where's the video proof? I could say I've worked on numerous things don't mean it's true! Just kidding...

This is a game changer imo - kid's recognizing his weaknesses and addressing it. Good job youngster

[Chanel Bomber]

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Number 8

Year Player School/Country – Team

2019 Jaxson Hayes, Texas – New Orleans Pelicans
2018 Collin Sexton, Alabama – Cleveland Cavaliers
2017 Frank Ntilikina, France – New York Knicks
2016 Marquese Chriss, Washington – Sacramento Kings
2015 Stanley Johnson, Arizona – Detroit Pistons
2014 Nik Stauskas, Michigan – Sacramento Kings
2013 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Georgia – Detroit Pistons
2012 Terrence Ross, Washington – Toronto Raptors
2011 Brandon Knight, Kentucky – Detroit Pistons
2010 Al-Farouq Aminu, Wake Forest – L.A. Clippers

2000’s

2009 Jordan Hill, Arizona – New York Knicks
2008 Joe Alexander, West Virginia – Milwaukee Bucks
2007 Brandan Wright, North Carolina – Charlotte Bobcats (Draft rights traded to Golden State Warriors)
2006 Rudy Gay, Connecticut – Houston Rockets (Draft rights traded to Memphis Grizzlies)
2005 Channing Frye, Arizona – New York Knicks
2004 Rafael Araujo, BYU – Toronto Raptors
2003 T.J. Ford, Texas – Milwaukee Bucks
2002 Chris Wilcox, Maryland – L.A. Clippers
2001 DeSagana Diop, Oak Hill Academy (Va.) – Cleveland Cavaliers
2000 Jamal Crawford, Michigan – Cleveland Cavaliers (Draft rights traded to Chicago Bulls)

this is brutal.

This is our fate.

We're only debating which bust we're gonna pick.

[WargamesX]

i think they're gonna have to adjust the cba again. westbrook and paul's contracts are just too big. you keep going up in price as you get older but you start to decline at around 30.

I offer the counterpoint of "tough ****, you paid them."

It’s not that you're wrong but it just seems out of whack to have 1 guy making nearly half the salary cap

In the NBA that isn’t too crazy. One player can carry a team most nights if they are a superstar. If Russ was playing like a superstar then that contract isn’t a bad contract. It’s when their level of play starts to deteriorate or they can’t carry you as far as you hoped that you then look at those contracts as bad contracts. Which is Russ’ issue. He is a superstar but so flawed you don’t think you can win it all with him.

If the Knicks can get him for something reasonable I think it’s not a disaster. They just can’t sell the farm for him because he isn’t a superstar who can win it all. He is a superstar that is flawed and needs to be built around which takes assets. The same thing happened with Melo that is happening with Russ. The Melo years could have had better teams to put around around Melo and won more, if the Knicks had better managed their assets to better to build around Melo. Russ could still be successful in the league if the team that gets him have assets to build around him.

[Capn'O]

i think they're gonna have to adjust the cba again. westbrook and paul's contracts are just too big. you keep going up in price as you get older but you start to decline at around 30.

I offer the counterpoint of "tough ****, you paid them."

not that you're wrong but it just seems out of whack to have 1 guy making nearly half the salary cap

That cap spike money dried up quick though. But here it is - people aren't worried about Anthony Davis' money or LeBron's money. It's when you **** it up with a Mike Conley or declining Paul/Westbrook that all of a sudden the CBA is a problem. What it was was a bunch of teams on the fringe trying to stay relevant during the cap spike.

I'll say something wild here... but the Knicks actually kept their dicks in their pants for the cap spike and if they don't **** it up by getting a Westbrook without MAJOR asset compensation they can be positioned to start getting the bargains on lower end star players and continue building the asset base that you need to ultimately bring home the big stars when they get grumpy. The franchise just needs to be committed to three years out instead of six months and I think you're gonna see this franchise turn around hard. We're positioned really well for a change. Lots of assets and low cap/limited liabilities.

[Chanel Bomber]

Please bring us Haliburton, Lewis, or Hayes.

Feel the same bro.

[HEZI]

People can actually look at that history of the 8th pick and say "no don't reach for anybody at 8"

No, REACH! Reach for somebody projected to go 2nd round if you have to

[god shammgod]

I offer the counterpoint of "tough ****, you paid them."

not that you're wrong but it just seems out of whack to have 1 guy making nearly half the salary cap

That cap spike money dried up quick though. But here it is - people aren't worried about Anthony Davis' money or LeBron's money. It's when you **** it up with a Mike Conley or declining Paul/Westbrook that all of a sudden the CBA is a problem.

I'll say something wild here... but the Knicks actually kept their dicks in their pants for the cap spike and if they don't **** it up by getting a Westbrook without MAJOR asset compensation they can be positioned to start getting the bargains on lower end star players and continue building the asset base that you need to ultimately bring home the big stars when they get grumpy. The franchise just needs to be committed to three years out instead of six months and I think you're gonna see this franchise turn around hard.

ad is still young and lebron is the rare old guy that makes that much money and lives up to it. but it's like i said, at age 30 your salary is still going up when it should probably start heading down again instead. it's not logical that a 32 year old star makes more than a 28 year old one.

agreed but 3 years is a long time to ask this fanbase to wait. you better somehow make the playoffs during these 3 years.

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This is a game changer imo - kid's recognizing his weaknesses and addressing it. Good job youngster

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[robillionaire]

history shows the 8th pick is virtually a guaranteed bust. we can trade up or back to avoid this

[Deeeez Knicks]

People can actually look at that history of the 8th pick and say "no don't reach for anybody at 8"

No, REACH! Reach for somebody projected to go 2nd round if you have to

Yea, that might be a big reason for so many misses. That seemed like a reason for picks such as Jordan Hill

[blueNorange]

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Where's the video proof? I could say I've worked on numerous things don't mean it's true! Just kidding...

This is a game changer imo - kid's recognizing his weaknesses and addressing it. Good job youngster

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1. he looked slow going to his right, like he wasn't comfortable.
2. it's easy to make a shot when nobody is defending you.

what happens when he's forced to his right?

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this is brutal.

2020- Devin Vassell, Florida State - New York Knicks

give me vassell !

[Knicksfan1992]

Past results of a draft pick don't indicate anything. They're completely independent results. I'd look more at ranges of picks for trends than individual ones once you get past pick 5.

I'd also hop on that Magic deal for Aaron Gordon and hope Kira falls to 15. He could be a better version of what we thought Randle was. Flip Randle somewhere else.

[Br00kLyn]

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1. he looked slow going to his right, like he wasn't comfortable.
2. it's easy to make a shot when nobody is defending you.

what happens when he's forced to his right?

he looks like RJ trying to go to his right

[SelbyCobra]

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And this is the young man Leon Rose is supposedly enamored with, huh?