Chanel Bomber wrote:mpharris36 wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:Eh no, I don't base that just off EPM, let alone for this season.
He hasn't helped transform our defense this year. You don't need impact metrics to see it. He's had some great games/plays defensively, but he hasn't brought consistent defensive impact. This isn't about being used effectively by the coach.
And on coaching - he wasn't good in Brooklyn offensively last year either. He was just... slightly above-average I suppose. Just like he has been here.
You act like Mikal is some established difference-maker in the NBA. He has 0 All-Star appearances. 0 All-NBA appearances. Just 1 All-NBA defensive team appearance. And his career EPM doesn't suggest he was ever a difference-maker.
This is not someone you trade the farm for. 4 unprotected firsts, an unprotected swap and a protected 1st is an absurd price to pay.
I don't care about the contract or your confidence that he will take a discount. The Knicks had a lot of draft capital that they could leverage to elevate their talent level massively. And they used it on a player who doesn't.
a bunch of picks in the 20's isn't the farm bro...40% of them are conveying this season and they are going to be low value end of 1st round picks.
2027 won't be much better with our core locked up. 2029 maybe has a chance...and then 2031 might be good so its really one pick of risk to me.
completely disregarding the CBA...when you have JB, OG, and KAT locked up...how are you exactly fitting in another 40 MM contract player...you aren't but you are ignoring the CBA in terms of value.
his value isn't just on the court...more so than now teams are having to manage the CBA...its unsustainable if moves are considered with the CBA in mind. Just look around the league and name me the more impactful players in the 20 MM range....
Well, #1 it is the farm, because the Knicks no longer have any draft capital to package in a trade for a superstar.
And do you think the Nets thought they would find themselves in the lottery when they traded for Pierce and KG? They had just won 49 games with Deron Williams, Brook Lopez, and ISO Joe.
Granted, this core is younger, and the circumstances are different. But my point is that the NBA is very unpredictable and it could all unravel very quickly for reasons that we can't foresee today. Just one injury to KAT or Brunson and we could find ourselves missing the playoffs.
I fully understand the CBA. I mean not every detail lol but I get the restrictions that front offices have to operate under. My point is that you could have attached picks to one of your contracts in exchange for an upgrade in talent. I'm not saying he's even available, but the Knicks could have offered Towns and some unprotected firsts for Giannis for instance, or OG, salary filler, and all the picks for Giannis. We no longer have this option. And my point all along is that if we wanted to bring in a player who brings this level of impact (i.e., not a star), we could have traded for a lesser name (like Caruso, who's better on D) for fewer picks and kept some draft capital to maintain some level of flexibility for future moves.
Hopefully he just steps his game up closer to the playoffs. He's been fine and again I kind of like his game but you don't trade this much draft capital for "fine".
How exactly does Towns and picks for Giannis make us better? Giannis is not a floor spacer and he's not a center. He's an awesome player don't get me wrong but he's basically the bigger version of Josh Hart for how we need complimentary pieces next to Brunson. So Josh Hart effectiveness which KAT opens up goes to **** with Giannis who isn't a floor spacer.
And comparing this move to the Nets adding two old washed up players in KG and Piece is wild. Our old Melo kicks put an end to the celtics era...the celtics saw it and robbed the Nets with those old washed star names...they weren't going to win anymore. So yes the Nets should have absolutely seen the fall off.
Mikal is in his prime and we have our core all in there 20's and in there primes...the two situations are absolutely nothing like themselves. The risk factor in terms of what those picks could end up are not even remotely the same.