PG - this is the opposite of fun

[mpharris36]

He gets praised from certain type of players because he does exactly what Teague said he does.. let you do what you want to do. But KG said on his pod that he told Thibs he'll never win anything because he's stubborn. It's a reason why he's always at the top of the list of coaches players don't want to play for. If you're an iso player and want your numbers .. he's a good coach for you. If you want to build a team and win, he's not it. it is what it is..


https://youtube.com/shorts/YnoSJUgAIS4?si=6dv42xtnOGza1SDx

I think he's a great culture setter and foundational coach. Knicks needed him to start because they didn't know how to win. He helped them in that regard. But its also no shame to say the roster and our future has outgrown him.

This is the conclusion I'm coming to as well.

I think for the second time in his career, he's going to be undone by his inability to get the most out of KAT.

Combo KAT and they invested a lot into Mikal. He is a system player and not a freelance type guy. They need plays and spots to get them the ball.

Right now Brunson is able to thrive mostly because his elite shot creation ability but it really doesn't suit the rest of the offense in terms of read or react.

[RHODEY]

I think you bring Malone in. Of all the coaching candidates, he is the one with the coaching pedigree and a championship. He had Murray, who Brunson is better than and Jokic who is better than KAT. It balances out. And the rest of the roster is deeper than the nuggets. The offense ran with Jokic and Murray is what we should be running.

Thibs is an absolute garbage head coach who has relied and survived on the talent of his individual players for far too long.

I heard CP mention that he wasnt well liked by Knicks Brass

[mpharris36]

I think he's a great culture setter and foundational coach. Knicks needed him to start because they didn't know how to win. He helped them in that regard. But its also no shame to say the roster and our future has outgrown him.

This is the conclusion I'm coming to as well.

I think for the second time in his career, he's going to be undone by his inability to get the most out of KAT.

I think so too though Mikal may be even more of a blemish.

The convenient part about it is that the results should dictate what happens. I've said since the beginning of the year that it's ECF or bust. I don't think he makes it past a first round out or Celtics blowout. The tough call is if we make it a series vs. Boston but we still lose.

If we made it a series vs BOS that means he would have had to adjust. We can't keep playing the way we are playing and expect to make it a series vs BOS.

A big reason why thibs is going to be on the hot seat is the same reason Garnett called him out. He doesn't adjust. He knows one way to coach. It's not necessary a horrible thing it just isn't adaptable to different players with different skill sets.

[MrDollarBills]

Like I am angry as SH*T right now. This is just unacceptable and everyone owns it. EVERYONE. No one gets a pass

Just when I thought they couldn’t take the feel from me. They did, even if we win, I know we won’t go past round 2.

It's tough but I think it's apart of the growth process too. Right now we have a bunch of really good pieces and we need to see what works, what doesn't, and find ways either internally or via outside means to fix the issues.

[ctorres]

I think you bring Malone in. Of all the coaching candidates, he is the one with the coaching pedigree and a championship. He had Murray, who Brunson is better than and Jokic who is better than KAT. It balances out. And the rest of the roster is deeper than the nuggets. The offense ran with Jokic and Murray is what we should be running.

Thibs is an absolute garbage head coach who has relied and survived on the talent of his individual players for far too long.

I heard CP mention that he wasnt well liked by Knicks Brass

Hmm, wonder if it dates back to the '04 and '05 seasons when he worked for the Knicks

[Capn'O]

This is the conclusion I'm coming to as well.

I think for the second time in his career, he's going to be undone by his inability to get the most out of KAT.

I think so too though Mikal may be even more of a blemish.

The convenient part about it is that the results should dictate what happens. I've said since the beginning of the year that it's ECF or bust. I don't think he makes it past a first round out or Celtics blowout. The tough call is if we make it a series vs. Boston but we still lose.

If we made it a series vs BOS that means he would have had to adjust. We can't keep playing the way we are playing and expect to make it a series vs BOS.

A big reason why thibs is going to be on the hot seat is the same reason Garnett called him out. He doesn't adjust. He knows one way to coach. It's not necessary a horrible thing it just isn't adaptable to different players with different skill sets.

Yea, I think a Celtic blowout is inevitable. But either way, I'd still call it from this series alone. It's like Bickerstaff last year. He wasn't fired for Boston, he was fired for barely getting past Orlando.

Oh, I think the beatdown, and subsequent firing, is coming too.

If by some miracle we take a Boston series and beyond he could survive but that would take something we haven't seen from him yet.

[K_ick_God]

Only the Knicks, only the Knicks could essentially lose a series they're winning 3-2. And effectively be dead men walking in the playoffs.

A guy like Stan Van Gundy would say "See how negative" but that's BS. Sure you can delude yourself if you want but the team has zero shot to even make the next round respectable the way they're playing, the fact that the offense needs a complete tear down.

It's crazy but true. Winning 3-2 but effectively knocked out by their own idiocy, mistakes and omissions.

[Adelheid]

Blaming Thibs for everything is getting so boring

Like the last 10 posts are people putting blame on the players. You're just looking for this.

everybody is at fault here tbf

[HEZI]

There are no young players that are going to be taking any leaps so no matter who the coach is the players are in their primes already so what you see is what you get

[3toheadmelo]

Kevin Garnett was criticizing Thibs for his minutes distributions. Not his ability to coach.

[Clyde_Style]

Oh, we know! We see it every game

Read on Twitter

Damn!

[DaGawd]

why does mikal bridges suck so much???? it pisses me off badly

[Clyde_Style]

Oh, we know! We see it every game

Read on Twitter

Like literally imagine ex-player saying "he not be like coaching you" "he not be like saying you have to be here or there"....and people are gonna continue their nonsense about defending him. But it is what it is , you can't get mad at anyone...just think of it in terms of a skill. Some look at a game differently and get a better grasp what is on the players and what on the coach....others watch the game for decades and they remain confused about it.

All the all-stars, MVP candidates and HOFers who praise him must be among those guys who are confused.

He's not for everyone and I'm not sure he's even right for this team anymore, but he didn't get all those wins and trust of his players by accident.

Guys playing for him now saying nice things about Thibs is hardly the same as former players spilling the beans and telling it like it is.

You can't go by what his nephew Jalen Brunson says about Thibs.

I take whatever Brunson and Hart say about Thibs and drop it into the trash can. It is meaningless.

[mpharris36]

why does mikal bridges suck so much???? it pisses me off badly

He seems to be the whipping boy but he didn't play bad yesterday. You just aren't going to win playoff games with KAT and Brunson going a combined 9-30 from the floor.

He needs to get the 14.4 ppg up to the 18 range for sure

but the defense is there. He is avg 3 stocks and playing really strong defense all series.

The offensive EFF needs kick up for sure. That can be said for nearly anyone not named KAT. But thats also tough in a system that we run to be super EFF.

[Adelheid]

Oh, we know! We see it every game

Read on Twitter

Damn!

sooner or later, somebody might post something like this, so imma do this now...

Watch on YouTube

[GONYK]

Like literally imagine ex-player saying "he not be like coaching you" "he not be like saying you have to be here or there"....and people are gonna continue their nonsense about defending him. But it is what it is , you can't get mad at anyone...just think of it in terms of a skill. Some look at a game differently and get a better grasp what is on the players and what on the coach....others watch the game for decades and they remain confused about it.

All the all-stars, MVP candidates and HOFers who praise him must be among those guys who are confused.

He's not for everyone and I'm not sure he's even right for this team anymore, but he didn't get all those wins and trust of his players by accident.

Guys playing for him now saying nice things about Thibs is hardly the same as former players spilling the beans and telling it like it is.

You can't go by what his nephew Jalen Brunson says about Thibs.

I take whatever Brunson and Hart say about Thibs and drop it into the trash can. It is meaningless.

What about Rose, Taj, Noah, Deng, KG, Pierce, Butler, etc...

Jeff Teague's opinion counts for more than all of them?

[nedleeds]

So none of the players are culpable at all ? It’s all just coaching. Cmon guys lol

We over rate our players historically, and we also love just ignoring their defense and overall effort.

KAT, Brunson and OG when healthy are above average starters. But not number 1 player on title team types. They will cost us 80% of our cap. There is no easy way out. There's no short cut home.

lol, this boards wild man....

Yeah wild here are the best players on the title teams of the past 15 years.

Tatum
Jokic
Giannis
Lebron or prime AD
Kawhi
Steph
LeBron
Dirk

... who are KAT (LOL) or Brunson as good or better than?

[Adelheid]

why does mikal bridges suck so much???? it pisses me off badly

He seems to be the whipping boy but he didn't play bad yesterday. You just aren't going to win playoff games with KAT and Brunson going a combined 9-30 from the floor.

He needs to get the 14.4 ppg up to the 18 range for sure

but the defense is there. He is avg 3 stocks and playing really strong defense all series.

The offensive EFF needs kick up for sure. That can be said for nearly anyone not named KAT. But thats also tough in a system that we run to be super EFF.

the last game was close score-wise. The score sheet will tell you alot of the why's

KAT : 5-14
Brunson : 4-16

[RHODEY]

I think you bring Malone in. Of all the coaching candidates, he is the one with the coaching pedigree and a championship. He had Murray, who Brunson is better than and Jokic who is better than KAT. It balances out. And the rest of the roster is deeper than the nuggets. The offense ran with Jokic and Murray is what we should be running.

Thibs is an absolute garbage head coach who has relied and survived on the talent of his individual players for far too long.

I heard CP mention that he wasnt well liked by Knicks Brass

Hmm, wonder if it dates back to the '04 and '05 seasons when he worked for the Knicks

I believe so. I cant find the original video where CP mentions it, but here's another where they discuss the pro's and cons of Malone:

Watch on YouTube

[mpharris36]

We over rate our players historically, and we also love just ignoring their defense and overall effort.

KAT, Brunson and OG when healthy are above average starters. But not number 1 player on title team types. They will cost us 80% of our cap. There is no easy way out. There's no short cut home.

lol, this boards wild man....

Yeah wild here are the best players on the title teams of the past 15 years.

Tatum
Jokic
Giannis
Lebron or prime AD
Kawhi
Steph
LeBron
Dirk

... who are KAT (LOL) or Brunson as good or better than?

lets not get ahead of ourselves lets just look at matchups.

The pistons start THjr and Tobias Harris and then two guys that can't shoot. And there starting 5 is destroying our starting 5 in net rating.

I'm not even talking about us matching up with CLE/BOS/OKC yet. Why is this such a struggle?