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[prophet_of_rage]

Is it though?

Brunson = Tatum
KAT > Brown
Mikal = KP
OG = Jrue
Hart = White
Deuce = Pritchard
Mitch > Horford

Talent seems pretty level here except they have better coaching and chemistry. Thibs is one of the regular season coaching GOATs but there’s a reason he’s lost in the playoffs over and over and over and over and over and over again.

I guess you believe fat meat isn't greasy. Brunson is not equal in talent to Tatum. You aren't even going by the match ups.

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I agreed with your matchup analysis. Doesn’t change a damn thing about what I said.

Look at the contracts — our top 7 are, on paper, individually as good or nearly as good as theirs. Yet (and here’s the part where I agree with you) they are massive favorites, and deservedly so.

IMO this comes down to Thibs being one of the absolute GOAT *Regular Season* coaches but also having the most limited upside come playoffs. You can’t make deep playoff runs relying on a high-usage, high-contact, high-minutes, low-rotation grind.

Idk how many more seasons he lasts giving Dolan what he wanted 4 years ago — respectability and playoff berths. The expectation now is ECF/NBA Finals and it doesn’t look like we’re gonna get there.

To maximize the potential of this group, you need cohesive team ball that gets everybody involved and you need an energetic bench that actually contributes. Our bench talent isn’t the best, but it’s also not as bad as Thibs has made them look. Why? Because he demands high-usage iso from a group that by definition doesn’t have the talent to effectively play that style.

On paper who can protect the rim and stretch the floor like KP and Horsford? Who can score off the dribble at 6'10 like Tatum? Which 6'5 guard do we habe that can defend 1 through 5? Who can Brunson credibly guard? Hoe about KAT? Who can Hart guard or Deuce? It's a musmatch everywhere. They can put Brown on JB and he won't foul out. They can put Porzingis on Hart and let him roam. They can let Tatum contest Bridges and play White on OG.

What can Thibs do to maximise thisnroster versus the Crltics? We were getting stomped by 30 every game save one at the end of the year.

It's a tale t mismatch. I said it at the beginning of the year. We can only play one way. Boston is too big, skilled and physical for us.

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[GettinitDone]

He is right but his timing is wrong. Coming off of that as stunning victory in a series we managed to win in 6.Any other team and he's pretty neutral , but when it comes to the Knicks, he and the rest of the sham ESPN media love to take liberty to point out our flaws without highlighting our strengths. But what about their flaws? Half of them calling Cade the best player int he series, yet NOT ONE have come clean to say how asinine that sounded.

Dude we're not here to watch JB score 40-50, we're here to watch the Knicks win a championship. These are not the NY Brunsons

He went 15-33.

Had he gone 10-33 and we lost, the Knicks fans would've been outraged, but it was his night he made shots and we barely won... what if it had NOT been his night?? Let's just say I'd live with any result W or L if the they play team ball, but can't bring myself to accept an L if it's a hero ball. The way he's played this season mostly he's literally making his teammates standing and watching. No team has won a championship with its superstar playing extreme volume iso. Can he be unselfish?? Yes, KAT scored 31 in Game 3 and 27 in Game 4 that proves JB can share the ball.

When all of them share the wealth KAT, OG Mikal scoring too, we become multi dimensional, much harder to guard, keep opponents on their toes, they don't know where the scoring will come from which Knick next.

Then all of a sudden for whatever reason JB just "forgets" all that recipe for winning from previous games, and chooses to go solo for long stretches, like a full possession without a single teammate touching the ball for consecutive possessions in a row. I'm speechless he's supposed to be this selfless guy but he's turned into a total blackhole.

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Jacoby: I think moving forward with this Knicks team, this offense needs to be more ball movement, more off ball movement, less just Jalen Brunson take the ball and take us home, Towns needs to touch the ball more, when Brunson was hurt, OG was averaging like 25 ppg, Mikal was getting a ton of shots

Dude Im here to watch the Knicks win period . ...which we did with Brunson dropping 40 m scoring 15 in the 4th. Will ISO all game work against the Celts ...probably not..but that aint all on Brunson. Also blame the coach and his fellow teammates for repeatingly putting him in the position to have to play hero ball late in games.

I don't think you're watching closely JB had plenty of opportunities to swing the ball on many possessions but he didn't and chose to iso, his teammates had no choice but to just ball watch

Thibs' fault? Yes

I'm not saying I'd rather watch us play team ball and lose, than take this game 6 W... I'm glad JB made the shots that mattered and we won, he's super clutch

But when we share the wealth getting KAT, OG, Mikal involved, we are more multi dimensional and harder to defend, and like you yourself said it won't work against the C's and other true ccontenders

Shouldn't have taken media guys like Windy, Mahoney, Bill, and Jacoby to point it out to us it is no way to play CHAMPIONSHIP basketball (we WON, but that's against the young and inexperienced Pistons, who STILL could have won the series had the ball bounced and calls gone their way more)

[RHODEY]

Dude we're not here to watch JB score 40-50, we're here to watch the Knicks win a championship. These are not the NY Brunsons

He went 15-33.

Had he gone 10-33 and we lost, the Knicks fans would've been outraged, but it was his night he made shots and we barely won... what if it had NOT been his night?? Let's just say I'd live with any result W or L if the they play team ball, but can't bring myself to accept an L if it's a hero ball. The way he's played this season mostly he's literally making his teammates standing and watching. No team has won a championship with its superstar playing extreme volume iso. Can he be unselfish?? Yes, KAT scored 31 in Game 3 and 27 in Game 4 that proves JB can share the ball.

When all of them share the wealth KAT, OG Mikal scoring too, we become multi dimensional, much harder to guard, keep opponents on their toes, they don't know where the scoring will come from which Knick next.

Then all of a sudden for whatever reason JB just "forgets" all that recipe for winning from previous games, and chooses to go solo for long stretches, like a full possession without a single teammate touching the ball for consecutive possessions in a row. I'm speechless he's supposed to be this selfless guy but he's turned into a total blackhole.

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21:55

Jacoby: I think moving forward with this Knicks team, this offense needs to be more ball movement, more off ball movement, less just Jalen Brunson take the ball and take us home, Towns needs to touch the ball more, when Brunson was hurt, OG was averaging like 25 ppg, Mikal was getting a ton of shots

Dude Im here to watch the Knicks win period . ...which we did with Brunson dropping 40 m scoring 15 in the 4th. Will ISO all game work against the Celts ...probably not..but that aint all on Brunson. Also blame the coach and his fellow teammates for repeatingly putting him in the position to have to play hero ball late in games.

I don't think you're watching closely JB had plenty of opportunities to swing the ball on many possessions but he didn't and chose to iso, his teammates had no choice but to just ball watch

Thibs' fault? Yes

I'm not saying I'd rather watch us play team ball and lose, than take this game 6 W... I'm glad JB made the shots that mattered, he's super clutch

But like you said it won't work against the C's and other true chip contenders

Shouldn't have taken media guys like Windy, Mahoney, Bill, and Jacoby to point it out to us it is no way to play CHAMPIONSHIP basketball (we WON, but that's against the young and inexperienced Pistons, who STILL could have won the series had the ball bounced and calls gone their way more)

Brunson is way more the cure than the cause, I would look elsewhere first.

[GettinitDone]

Dude Im here to watch the Knicks win period . ...which we did with Brunson dropping 40 m scoring 15 in the 4th. Will ISO all game work against the Celts ...probably not..but that aint all on Brunson. Also blame the coach and his fellow teammates for repeatingly putting him in the position to have to play hero ball late in games.

I don't think you're watching closely JB had plenty of opportunities to swing the ball on many possessions but he didn't and chose to iso, his teammates had no choice but to just ball watch

Thibs' fault? Yes

I'm not saying I'd rather watch us play team ball and lose, than take this game 6 W... I'm glad JB made the shots that mattered, he's super clutch

But like you said it won't work against the C's and other true chip contenders

Shouldn't have taken media guys like Windy, Mahoney, Bill, and Jacoby to point it out to us it is no way to play CHAMPIONSHIP basketball (we WON, but that's against the young and inexperienced Pistons, who STILL could have won the series had the ball bounced and calls gone their way more)

Brunson is way more the cure than the cause, I would look elsewhere first.

JB is BOTH the cure and the cause

He proved in Game 3 and Game 4 he could share with KAT, often gave up the ball, then he just reverted back to his iso hero ball

If you're his teammate, you're not gonna wrestle the ball from him

Dude has to work SO HARD for his points, dude just pass the ball and be less try hard and win as a team

But he wants the team and the Ws to be all about him

I agree with most people's sentiment that he's arguably already the best Knick in history, but I'm not handing over my rooting for the team to rooting for him/ ANY player to have a superstar game so we could win...

We could have a prime MJ on our team now scoring 40ppg and winning us a championship, but that would still be LESS FUN than e.g. last year's Knicks team fully healthy sharing the wealth and winning a championship...

Rooting for a team to play well together and win as a team that's the heart and soul of watching the game, but never watching someone trying to be a superstar

[RHODEY]

I don't think you're watching closely JB had plenty of opportunities to swing the ball on many possessions but he didn't and chose to iso, his teammates had no choice but to just ball watch

Thibs' fault? Yes

I'm not saying I'd rather watch us play team ball and lose, than take this game 6 W... I'm glad JB made the shots that mattered, he's super clutch

But like you said it won't work against the C's and other true chip contenders

Shouldn't have taken media guys like Windy, Mahoney, Bill, and Jacoby to point it out to us it is no way to play CHAMPIONSHIP basketball (we WON, but that's against the young and inexperienced Pistons, who STILL could have won the series had the ball bounced and calls gone their way more)

Brunson is way more the cure than the cause, I would look elsewhere first.

JB is BOTH the cure and the cause

He proved in Game 3 and Game 4 he could share with KAT, often gave up the ball, then he just reverted back to his iso hero ball

If you're his teammate, you're not gonna wrestle the ball from him

Dude has to work SO HARD for his points, dude just pass the ball and be less try hard and win as a team

But he wants the team and the Ws to be all about him

I agree with most people's sentiment that he's arguably already the best Knick in history, but I'm not handing over my rooting for the team to rooting for him/ ANY player to have a superstar game so we could win...

We could have a prime MJ on our team now scoring 40ppg and winning us a championship, but that would still be LESS FUN than e.g. last year's Knicks team fully healthy sharing the wealth and winning a championship...

Rooting for a team to play well together and win as a team that's the heart and soul of watching the game, but never watching someone trying to be a superstar

Just saying the blame needs to be share for the team not playing well together....from the coach to Brunson needs to have better vision, to the other players who need to be more aggressive.

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"layup line kal"

look at mikal with the leadership dragging everyone's ass out for layup lines!

As a lifelong mikal fans it was great to see our boy show out in a pivotal game. We've been fighting terrible knick fans all year. So it's nice to come out on top here. From that yam on cade to that clutch tip in, set up by mitch demanding so much attention from Duren. Also to hear his passion in the post-game interview. Feels good.

That's why we call you layup line Guano

I thought it was because of his defense...

[KOA]

I guess you believe fat meat isn't greasy. Brunson is not equal in talent to Tatum. You aren't even going by the match ups.

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I agreed with your matchup analysis. Doesn’t change a damn thing about what I said.

Look at the contracts — our top 7 are, on paper, individually as good or nearly as good as theirs. Yet (and here’s the part where I agree with you) they are massive favorites, and deservedly so.

IMO this comes down to Thibs being one of the absolute GOAT *Regular Season* coaches but also having the most limited upside come playoffs. You can’t make deep playoff runs relying on a high-usage, high-contact, high-minutes, low-rotation grind.

Idk how many more seasons he lasts giving Dolan what he wanted 4 years ago — respectability and playoff berths. The expectation now is ECF/NBA Finals and it doesn’t look like we’re gonna get there.

To maximize the potential of this group, you need cohesive team ball that gets everybody involved and you need an energetic bench that actually contributes. Our bench talent isn’t the best, but it’s also not as bad as Thibs has made them look. Why? Because he demands high-usage iso from a group that by definition doesn’t have the talent to effectively play that style.

On paper who can protect the rim and stretch the floor like KP and Horsford? Who can score off the dribble at 6'10 like Tatum? Which 6'5 guard do we habe that can defend 1 through 5? Who can Brunson credibly guard? Hoe about KAT? Who can Hart guard or Deuce? It's a musmatch everywhere. They can put Brown on JB and he won't foul out. They can put Porzingis on Hart and let him roam. They can let Tatum contest Bridges and play White on OG.

What can Thibs do to maximise thisnroster versus the Crltics? We were getting stomped by 30 every game save one at the end of the year.

It's a tale t mismatch. I said it at the beginning of the year. We can only play one way. Boston is too big, skilled and physical for us.

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These can easily be blowout games, but talent is not as much of an issue as gameplan and chemistry.
The Celtics are going to spam 3s, mostly with KP. If the Knicks can keep the open 3s in check, I can see this being an interesting contest. Because as good as the C's can be, they are hard-set on spamming 3s regardless if they're making them or are contested.

On paper who can protect the rim and stretch the floor like KP and Horsford? - KAT and OG
Who can score off the dribble at 6'10 like Tatum? In what universe is Tatum anywhere close to 6'10"? KAT has been a beast scoring off the dribble this year at 7'
Which 6'5 guard do we habe that can defend 1 through 5?

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Who can Brunson credibly guard? J-Rue has been trash this year offensively
Hoe about KAT? KP or Horford? It's not like either of these guys can take him off the dribble...
Who can Hart guard or Deuce? Hart's been an amazing defender this year guarding anyone 1-4. Not sure why you'd be worried about his defense. Deuce is going to be getting mins sparingly guarding guys like Prichard.

Jaylen Brown has been a below average efficiency scorer this season. Make him and J-Rue try to beat you rather than Tatum, KP, and White.

[ctorres]

All kidding aside, the Tweet is fair — it does seem like Mitch impacted both plays

Good

Btw did Mikal have another tip-in all season?

I feel like he did. It might have been during the stretch of games Brunson was out during the end of the season.

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