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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#681 » by Rasho Brezec » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:20 pm

Pharmcat wrote:this team needs a spark

not pass the ball like hot potato when melo is triple teamed

im all for jcraw

He's not a spot up shooter, why are you ignoring this. He has to dribble before he takes a shot.
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Post#682 » by Pharmcat » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:20 pm

woodson is in the fold, he knows jcraw and how he can be utilized here
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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#683 » by AllanHoustonFan » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:20 pm

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For those holding out hope on JJ Barea-to-#Knicks, it's not likely he'll take room exception (2x$2.5m). So may be time to move on. #fb

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thats sad but understandable

i do believe he is missing a great future opportunity

NY needs to move give shawne that exception, trade for jcraw, and sign a G of the amnesty list


I think that's what will happen.
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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#684 » by duetta » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:20 pm

There's not enough shots in a game for Anthony, Crawford and Amare. Actually, I take that back - since I expect Amare to get shafted when the first two are on the court together.
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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#685 » by mpharris36 » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:21 pm

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For those holding out hope on JJ Barea-to-#Knicks, it's not likely he'll take room exception (2x$2.5m). So may be time to move on. #fb

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thats sad but understandable

i do believe he is missing a great future opportunity

NY needs to move give shawne that exception, trade for jcraw, and sign a G of the amnesty list


if that is true and barea wont take the room exception...you use the room on Big Purp and call it a day.

With no Barea I do not want to trade our only guard that has been in dantoni system. Rather keep TD if no barea.

Keep TD and sign Big Purp and lets go to war
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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#686 » by Pharmcat » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:21 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:this team needs a spark

not pass the ball like hot potato when melo is triple teamed

im all for jcraw

He's not a spot up shooter, why are you ignoring this. He has to dribble before he takes a shot.


ok then he can make a move with the ball or something

i'll take my chances with him instead of walker/mason types next to melo when melo is going bananas and cant get any1 to help him
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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#687 » by TrueWarrior » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:21 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:I just don't see how Crawford can be effective in helping a team win, starting or being the 6th man. He doesn't know how to play if he doesn't have the ball in his hands. 44% of his FG's come from someone else passing him, league average for SG's is 58%. Jason Terry, the ultimate 6th man for example, has 60% of his FG assisted with better shooting percentages.


Amare and Melo arent going to play the whole game. Whenever one or both of them sits Jamal will come in and do his thing as the second fiddle. LIke he did with Joe Johnson, Horford, and Smith. At least half of his minutes will be with Melo and/or Amare off the court. We need a 3rd scoring option either way and Im not sure Douglas is up to the task.
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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#688 » by 2010 » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:21 pm

AllanHoustonFan wrote:alanhahn Alan Hahn
For those holding out hope on JJ Barea-to-#Knicks, it's not likely he'll take room exception (2x$2.5m). So may be time to move on. #fb

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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#689 » by melo mvp 15 » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:21 pm

I'd still at least start the season with Fields starting. I know it's tempting to have the 3 big scorers start the game, but I like Landry's rebounding and grit to start games. If he looks like he did at the end of last season then you can move Jamal (or maybe even Shumpert) to starting SG. It also depends on if we add another PG and who it is. If it's Baron or JJ, then I'd definitely keep Jamal on the bench.
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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#690 » by Falstaffxx » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:21 pm

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Thugger HBC wrote:No it's not, Crawford will stabilize the second unit when one of our scoring guns hits the bench, most likely Melo, since he can handle the rock while he sits.

What purpose does Crawford serve as the starting 2 guard? he won't get the touches he is best with if he starts.

Let Woodson runs this part, I think he knows just a little bit more.


Fields will not start at shooting guard if we have a pure shooting guard on the roster. Fields is better suited to the 3. Crawford would start at the 2.


Crawford isn't a pure shooting guard, i'ts Fields to lose.

Your guessing at this point, whereas I'm believing his coach knows where he is best at.


I'm not guessing. I'm looking at our roster and drawing a logical conclusion. And Crawford is absolutely a shooting guard.
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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#691 » by Pharmcat » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:21 pm

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Pharmcat wrote:ny is at the stage to try to win, cant afford for guys to wait around to develop

shump, harrelson, jordan, fields, td

you can only wait for so many guys to develop


Douglas is already a good player though. He may continue to improve, but he's already a good contributor.


watch the PO tape again, TD has too much to learn in short pd of time
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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#692 » by Pharmcat » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:22 pm

2010 wrote:
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For those holding out hope on JJ Barea-to-#Knicks, it's not likely he'll take room exception (2x$2.5m). So may be time to move on. #fb

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Good news!


how so

this team needs a pg who can break things down/set up people
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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#693 » by Falstaffxx » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:22 pm

Pharmcat wrote:
Falstaffxx wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:ny is at the stage to try to win, cant afford for guys to wait around to develop

shump, harrelson, jordan, fields, td

you can only wait for so many guys to develop


Douglas is already a good player though. He may continue to improve, but he's already a good contributor.


watch the PO tape again, TD has too much to learn in short pd of time


Douglas is ready to contribute. Bad playoffs doesn't change that.
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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#694 » by KnicksFan007 » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:23 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:I just don't see how Crawford can be effective in helping a team win, starting or being the 6th man. He doesn't know how to play if he doesn't have the ball in his hands. 44% of his FG's come from someone else passing him, league average for SG's is 58%. Jason Terry, the ultimate 6th man for example, has 60% of his FG assisted with better shooting percentages.

You didn't see the series against Orlando and Chicago then?
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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#695 » by Thugger HBC » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:23 pm

If Barea isn't coming hand that money to Purp, and get our sixth man in, and lets go.
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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#696 » by DE FENSE » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:23 pm

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Key with Crawford for me, you double Melo or Amar'e, you pay. That's the objective.

I'd agree with that if Crawford didn't suck as a spot-up shooter. He needs to dribble around for 10 seconds before he shoots. :-?


If you're talking about Crawford being a cog for ball movement, then maybe I can see it. Melo passes out of double team and Jamal finds the open man while the defense is scrambling, probably a lob to Tyson at the rim. I can see that. But if you're relying on him to be that knock-down shooter, I don't see it. His shot is too erratic.
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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#697 » by Rasho Brezec » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:24 pm

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Rasho Brezec wrote:I just don't see how Crawford can be effective in helping a team win, starting or being the 6th man. He doesn't know how to play if he doesn't have the ball in his hands. 44% of his FG's come from someone else passing him, league average for SG's is 58%. Jason Terry, the ultimate 6th man for example, has 60% of his FG assisted with better shooting percentages.


Amare and Melo arent going to play the whole game. Whenever one or both of them sits Jamal will come in and do his thing as the second fiddle. LIke he did with Joe Johnson, Horford, and Smith. At least half of his minutes will be with Melo and/or Amare off the court. We need a 3rd scoring option either way and Im not sure Douglas is up to the task.

Yeah, but here's the thing. What he did in Atlanta wasn't effective. It was below average. If he was a FA, whatever, take a chance on him, but trading our only proven capable defender at PG in Toney is not worth it.
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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#698 » by Thugger HBC » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:24 pm

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Pharmcat wrote:
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Douglas is already a good player though. He may continue to improve, but he's already a good contributor.


watch the PO tape again, TD has too much to learn in short pd of time


Douglas is ready to contribute. Bad playoffs doesn't change that.

But it pushes Fields out of his starting job that he played vastly better than TD in his?
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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#699 » by TrueWarrior » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:25 pm

Listen guys in a perfect world Id love to get a pure PG and SG in here, but our options are slim. We can say Crawford needs the ball in his hands to be effective but Id rather have that than guys like Douglas and Fields who dont know what to do when they have the ball for more than 3 seconds. Talent is talent and Jamal is talent for what he is.
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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#700 » by Thugger HBC » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:25 pm

DE FENSE wrote:
waya wrote:
Red Vines wrote:HPbasketball Hardwood Paroxysm
Key with Crawford for me, you double Melo or Amar'e, you pay. That's the objective.

I'd agree with that if Crawford didn't suck as a spot-up shooter. He needs to dribble around for 10 seconds before he shoots. :-?

But if you're relying on him to be that knock-down shooter, I don't see it. His shot is too erratic.

That's why he will not start.
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