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MeloDrama Part VI

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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#681 » by JBreezeNY » Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:49 pm

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Melo Ball goes back to the future
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Strauss By Ethan Sherwood Strauss
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There was a time when it didn’t look as if Carmelo Anthony would be so sought after at age 30. When he was traded from the Denver Nuggets to the New York Knicks in February 2011, he was the bane of the advanced-stats community, his reputation sliced sharpest by cutting-edge analysis.

With his less-than-super-efficient high scoring average, Anthony might well have symbolized how casual fans get snookered into worshipping false idols. His volume shooting was the past, and players of more balanced yet subtle skill sets were the future. That iso ball that the "eye test" loves was so early Iverson-era. It had no place in the NBA’s version of a Moneyball revolution.

Less than four years later, Anthony plays host to a vigorous recruitment effort from advanced-stats godfather and Rockets general manager Daryl Morey. Melo is the missing piece in Chicago, the foundation of a new era in Los Angeles. Yes, there are still concerns over whether Anthony will be worth a five-year max contract, and there remains criticism of Anthony's defense. But ultimately, Anthony’s New York adventure has seen a rehabilitation of his game, if not his reputation.

It took some unfortunate injuries to Amar'e Stoudemire, but the Knicks managed to stumble upon a Carmelo Anthony better suited for this era. Playing power forward, Anthony received better spacing, and he ultimately started making better choices. In the season before his trade to the Knicks, fewer than 14 percent of Anthony’s shots were 3-pointers. Last season, 25 percent of his shots were from behind the arc.

By shifting his shot selection from the dreaded “long 2” zone out to where shots count for an extra point, he moved to the forefront of basketball. Shooting is in, "stretch-4s" are in. The game had seemingly left isolation scorers behind, but Melo, one of the shiniest examples, has persevered.

After a shaky, injury-addled first full season in New York, Anthony notched his two best seasons according to player efficiency (PER) and win shares. Not only did the numbers look better, but his game got more aesthetically pleasing. Decisions were quicker, the ball stuck less often. He turns the ball over far less than he did back in Denver. There are still bouts of grinding iso-ball, but it’s not like the old days when Anthony would average more turnovers than assists.

You can blame him for the lack of options (the Knicks were strip-mined because Anthony forced a trade to New York), but it’s getting harder to find fault with his offensive approach. His game has matured from headstrong to nuanced. Guard him with a mobile wing and he can post that guy into some pain. Guard him with a burly big and he can lose that guy for many an open 3-pointer.

“Olympic Melo” is the nickname for that sweet-shooting forward we’ve seen in international competition. He thrives in an environment where the ball is shared around the arc and shot from behind it. That’s where basketball is heading, if this latest, emphatic San Antonio Spurs championship is any indication. The NBA is trending toward a drive-and-kick international style that just so perfectly fits the guy who, earlier in his career, was the caricature of American-style hero ball. Melo was the past before he took a few steps back and became the future.


http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... the-future


It's pretty much the main reason why Melo is considered good right now. Shooting 3s at a high percentage made him into a much more efficient scorer.

If there's one thing we can say D'antoni did good for Melo it was emphasizing more 3 point shots, Mel should be grateful for that.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#682 » by NYMNYKFN10 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:49 pm

This Melo stuff is going to go on all week long.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#683 » by AmazingJason » Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:49 pm

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Greece’s Thanasis Antetokounmpo will be able to show his skills when the Knicks open their Las Vegas Summer League schedule Friday, but The Post has learned it will be the last American venue for their second-round selection for a while.

According to source close to the defensive specialist, the Knicks drafted him with plans of stashing him in Europe for one season, even if he has a solid summer league showing. The Knicks have their first summer-league practice Tuesday in Las Vegas. Antetokounmpo was selected by the Knicks with the 51st pick, which they acquired as part of the Mavericks trade that sent Tyson Chandler to Dallas.

The Post reported last week a Greek team was interested in signing the 21-year-old brother of Bucks rookie revelation Giannis Antetokounmpo, known as “The Greek Freak.”

Thanasis played last season in the D-League with the Delaware franchise, averaging 12 points and four rebounds. But the 6-foot-7 guard needs more seasoning in Jackson’s eyes, though the organization loves his tenacity. Jackson also doesn’t want to waste one of his 15 roster spots. It is unclear which team Antetokounmpo will play for in Europe.

The summer league will be highlighted by second-round pick Cleanthony Early of Wichita State, who the Knicks thought would go in the mid-to-late first round. He has been called the steal of the second round by many experts, and the Knicks believe he’ll thrive in the triangle offense.

Knicks officials have not commented yet on their draft picks.


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I really like Thanasis but I think this is the correct choice. He's still really raw but he has great tools. Let him develop for one more year.

Also a sign that Phil expects to win now so rotation players will be mostly vets rather than young players needing development.


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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#684 » by KnicksManiac » Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:49 pm

Not sure if this was posted yet:

Video: http://www.tmz.com/2014/07/07/lou-adler ... -trust-me/

He's not just a music legend, Lou Adler is also an L.A. Lakers mega-fan -- who's plugged in to all things Purple and Gold -- and the guy tells TMZ Sports 'Melo ain't gonna sign with the Lake Show.

Of course, Adler is the guy who's always sitting courtside with Jack Nicholson -- and together, they're considered Lakers royalty.

So, if anyone really knows what's really going on behind the scenes -- it's this guy ... who, unfortunately for Lakers fans, didn't sound too optimistic about signing Carmelo Anthony.

In fact, he thinks Anthony's gonna steal another HUGE Lakers star [GASOL] and take him back to NYC.


Summary: The dude who sits with Jack Nicholson at every Lakers game says Carmelo is going back to NY and he's bringing Gasol with him.

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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#685 » by Dbloc123 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:52 pm

KnicksManiac wrote:Not sure if this was posted yet:

Video: http://www.tmz.com/2014/07/07/lou-adler ... -trust-me/

He's not just a music legend, Lou Adler is also an L.A. Lakers mega-fan -- who's plugged in to all things Purple and Gold -- and the guy tells TMZ Sports 'Melo ain't gonna sign with the Lake Show.

Of course, Adler is the guy who's always sitting courtside with Jack Nicholson -- and together, they're considered Lakers royalty.

So, if anyone really knows what's really going on behind the scenes -- it's this guy ... who, unfortunately for Lakers fans, didn't sound too optimistic about signing Carmelo Anthony.

In fact, he thinks Anthony's gonna steal another HUGE Lakers star [GASOL] and take him back to NYC.


Summary: The dude who sits with Jack Nicholson at every Lakers game says Carmelo is going back to NY and he's bringing Gasol with him.


That dude who dresses like he doesnt give 2 ****?
J.R. Smith's last-second whiff left the Knicks with a sixth straight loss. But J.R. would do it again. "I think we went with the best shot," he said.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#686 » by BugginOut » Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:53 pm

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KnicksGod wrote:Sorry Melo's GM skills are not to be relied on. He thinks JR is good.


You mean the guy who won 6th man of the Year a year ago?

Him you mean?

Yeah it was such a terrible move for "Anthony" to bring in JR Smith for the 2013 season, where he helped us win 54 games while only making 2.8 mil a year.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#687 » by suicidedeuce » Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:54 pm

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suicidedeuce wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:Sorry Melo's GM skills are not to be relied on. He thinks JR is good.


You mean the guy who won 6th man of the Year a year ago?

Him you mean?


Yes him. He's a horrific player. Just like 2-time 6MOY Jamal Crawford sucks too.


That's fine. You're allowed your highly subjective opinion as a fan.

But don't try to make an argument Lin is a good player and Smith is not. There is NO evidence to suggest that other than your personal preference.

Which again, you're entitled to. Its just that though, a personal preference, and not an argument.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#688 » by stuporman » Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:54 pm

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Seeing Melo's great reaction to Lakers pitch Knicks FO get Spike Lee to make movie for him ready for next meet #DoTheRightThing


But what of the Bearded Clam?


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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#689 » by DE FENSE » Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:55 pm

KnicksManiac wrote:Not sure if this was posted yet:

Video: http://www.tmz.com/2014/07/07/lou-adler ... -trust-me/

He's not just a music legend, Lou Adler is also an L.A. Lakers mega-fan -- who's plugged in to all things Purple and Gold -- and the guy tells TMZ Sports 'Melo ain't gonna sign with the Lake Show.

Of course, Adler is the guy who's always sitting courtside with Jack Nicholson -- and together, they're considered Lakers royalty.

So, if anyone really knows what's really going on behind the scenes -- it's this guy ... who, unfortunately for Lakers fans, didn't sound too optimistic about signing Carmelo Anthony.

In fact, he thinks Anthony's gonna steal another HUGE Lakers star [GASOL] and take him back to NYC.


Summary: The dude who sits with Jack Nicholson at every Lakers game says Carmelo is going back to NY and he's bringing Gasol with him.


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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#690 » by kane » Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:55 pm

God I thought this s#!t would be over by today....
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#691 » by wakkahman » Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:55 pm

Jeremy lin is a system player and when he was playing in his system he was vastly more succesful than anyone has been on the knicks in a long time. However take him out of that system and hes a below average player for sure.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#692 » by AmazingJason » Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:56 pm

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YouthMovement wrote:man george karl is on sportscenter talking nonsense about melo.

you are a hater. you have never won anything.


so Ironic you'd say that since the person Karl Is bashing hasn't won anything in the NBA either. People that continue to defend Melo make me laugh.


defend melo against what? someone who continually criticizes Melo's defense yet has coached teams for years that don't play defense. Did you even watch the segment I'm referring to? The guy said a coach needs to sit him down and explain to him how to win. This is coming from a guy who coached Melo for the majority of his career.

And for the record I'm indifferent as to if Melo stays or not. George Karl is just jobless and spiteful.


Karl is a bitter old man, but he is right about that aspect of Melo. That's why Phil spoke about Melo taking a paycut. It's not just to help the front office, it's not to disrespect Melo...it's a gesture to show that he's going to be a team player. Coaches appreciate it, players appreciate it, and ultimately, Melo himself will buy in and work harder because he made that sacrifice. Phil is pulling a Zen move to push Melo into being more of an unselfish team guy.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#693 » by blumatic » Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:57 pm

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It's pretty much the main reason why Melo is considered good right now. Shooting 3s at a high percentage made him into a much more efficient scorer.

If there's one thing we can say D'antoni did good for Melo it was emphasizing more 3 point shots, Mel should be grateful for that.


So are we saying Melo bought in to a coach's system?

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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#694 » by Mr Rabbit » Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:58 pm

This thread is heading in a dangerous direction with this Lin vs. JR debate.

Meanwhile, Melo was spotted earlier today boating with friends off the coast of California.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#695 » by delvec19 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:59 pm

Mr Rabbit wrote:This thread is heading in a dangerous direction with this Lin vs. JR debate.

Meanwhile, Melo was spotted earlier today boating with friends off the coast of California.
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Where the **** did the guy in the white tshirt go??
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#696 » by K_ick_God » Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:59 pm

suicidedeuce wrote:
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suicidedeuce wrote:
You mean the guy who won 6th man of the Year a year ago?

Him you mean?


Yes him. He's a horrific player. Just like 2-time 6MOY Jamal Crawford sucks too.


That's fine. You're allowed your highly subjective opinion as a fan.

But don't try to make an argument Lin is a good player and Smith is not. There is NO evidence to suggest that other than your personal preference.

Which again, you're entitled to. Its just that though, a personal preference, and not an argument.


Sure. It's my personal subjective opinion that players who understand how to play the game with seriousness and unselfishness, and who and aren't knuckleheads, have a much better chance of being part of great teams -- like the players R.C. Buford picks up for the Spurs -- than fools like J.R. Smith who are talented but terrible and can't play a major role on any great team.

Here are some objective benchmarks: If you think it's funny to untie the opponent's shoes during a game, or have been hit with a drug suspension, or have made a negative comment in the media about your coach, you're less likely to win a championship than a player who hasn't done those things.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#697 » by wakkahman » Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:00 pm

DE FENSE wrote:
KnicksManiac wrote:Not sure if this was posted yet:

Video: http://www.tmz.com/2014/07/07/lou-adler ... -trust-me/

He's not just a music legend, Lou Adler is also an L.A. Lakers mega-fan -- who's plugged in to all things Purple and Gold -- and the guy tells TMZ Sports 'Melo ain't gonna sign with the Lake Show.

Of course, Adler is the guy who's always sitting courtside with Jack Nicholson -- and together, they're considered Lakers royalty.

So, if anyone really knows what's really going on behind the scenes -- it's this guy ... who, unfortunately for Lakers fans, didn't sound too optimistic about signing Carmelo Anthony.

In fact, he thinks Anthony's gonna steal another HUGE Lakers star [GASOL] and take him back to NYC.


Summary: The dude who sits with Jack Nicholson at every Lakers game says Carmelo is going back to NY and he's bringing Gasol with him.


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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#698 » by suicidedeuce » Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:01 pm

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suicidedeuce wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:
Yes him. He's a horrific player. Just like 2-time 6MOY Jamal Crawford sucks too.


That's fine. You're allowed your highly subjective opinion as a fan.

But don't try to make an argument Lin is a good player and Smith is not. There is NO evidence to suggest that other than your personal preference.

Which again, you're entitled to. Its just that though, a personal preference, and not an argument.


Sure. It's my personal subjective opinion that players who understand how to play the game with seriousness and unselfishness, and who and aren't knuckleheads, have a much better chance of being part of great teams -- like the players R.C. Buford picks up for the Spurs -- than fools like J.R. Smith who are talented but terrible and can't play a major role on any great team.

Here are some objective benchmarks: If you think it's funny to untie the opponent's shoes during a game, or have been hit with a drug suspension, or have made a negative comment in the media about your coach, you're less likely to win a championship than a player who hasn't done those things.


"*I* don't like JR Smth" would have been much more succinct.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#699 » by BklyntoTNeck » Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:04 pm

Mr Rabbit wrote:This thread is heading in a dangerous direction with this Lin vs. JR debate.

Meanwhile, Melo was spotted earlier today boating with friends off the coast of California.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#700 » by K_ick_God » Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:04 pm

suicidedeuce wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:
suicidedeuce wrote:
That's fine. You're allowed your highly subjective opinion as a fan.

But don't try to make an argument Lin is a good player and Smith is not. There is NO evidence to suggest that other than your personal preference.

Which again, you're entitled to. Its just that though, a personal preference, and not an argument.


Sure. It's my personal subjective opinion that players who understand how to play the game with seriousness and unselfishness, and who and aren't knuckleheads, have a much better chance of being part of great teams -- like the players R.C. Buford picks up for the Spurs -- than fools like J.R. Smith who are talented but terrible and can't play a major role on any great team.

Here are some objective benchmarks: If you think it's funny to untie the opponent's shoes during a game, or have been hit with a drug suspension, or have made a negative comment in the media about your coach, you're less likely to win a championship than a player who hasn't done those things.


"*I* don't like JR Smth" would have been much more succinct.


But less informative. These are objective things I noted that I would bet a lot of money make a player less successful. Black and white.

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