Around the NBA - Blazing into the Conference Finals

[knicksNOTslick]

they might give the raps the chip this year...

i have a feeling the warriors can shut down fred vanvleet if they have to

If its not fixed this is all on Bud to me- no adjustments for what they were doing to Giannis...

Weren't you the guy who quoted me saying the Raptors wouldn't win a game after the Bucks were up 2-0. I said it wasn't over because Toronto has Kawhi. Never doubt the true superstars. Giannis is having an MVP year but he hasn't really been playoff tested. He will learn from this.

[K_ick_God]

Kawhi is definitely in the same brain chemistry/on the spectrum/mental health situation that Alex Honnold is. This stuff doesn't register to him the same way it does to normal human beings. The way he responds to figure of speech questions with literal answers is exactly the same. I'd wager if he had the same brain scan that Honnold did it would show very similar results.

Being that talented AND having his brain wired that way is absolutely terrifying as a fan of a team that doesn't have Kawhi Leonard on it.

He’s the terminator of athletes for sure. He has unreal balance and body control.

[RamonSessions7]

Since they haven’t been on your team in a while, and neither are dominating for the team you traded them to, was there any portion of Knicks fans or posters here who more upset losing Chandler than Gallo in the Knicks trade or was Gallo the clear gem going out? I know he was the slightly younger, injury pronish higher ceiling much higher pick and has turned into the clear better player of the two, imo, just wondering how much if any of the fan base was attached to Chandler and his potential at the time.

(Wondering as Lakers are facing the prospects of sending one, some, or all of their young guys somewhere, with I think quite differing opinions on the value and potential of each, as we try and jump through lebrons aging window the best we can.)

[RamonSessions7]

Happened to be on the board for my random Chandler/Gallo comp question, but my god kawhi is really shooting up my personal list. Checks almost all boxes except strangely lingering, current career narrative focused quad, which he seems to have no problem playing through at best player in the league levels.

Blew above the spurs system this year and really validated that young small sample size finals runs as a different tier of stud. I obviously want him(whatever random reason or being in Southern California and not wanting the clippers) to come and help lebron. But he’s reached the point for me where I’m going to root for him wherever he goes, since Boston’s not in it, and cheer for him to rise up the GOAT list with some more rings. Unless vs Lakers.

Kawhi is definitely in the same brain chemistry/on the spectrum/mental health situation that Alex Honnold is. This stuff doesn't register to him the same way it does to normal human beings. The way he responds to figure of speech questions with literal answers is exactly the same. I'd wager if he had the same brain scan that Honnold did it would show very similar results.

Being that talented AND having his brain wired that way is absolutely terrifying as a fan of a team that doesn't have Kawhi Leonard on it.

He’s the terminator of athletes for sure. He has unreal balance and body control.

[HarthorneWingo]

I think he could get 80 so maybe 100+ with trade kickers?

I read some from one of the writers on bleacherreport prognosticating where RFA could go and he said to the Pacers on a 4/$64M deal which thought was a little on the low side.

Honestly, I would rather pay Brogdon and another guy than Kyrie at this point. I just like guys who can play with anyone, and Brogdon can play with anyone.

Brogdon also comes without all the excess baggage and craziness that comes with Kyrie and his ego and is probably much cheaper to sign as well. Also, Brogdon is a very solid and steady player. High character guy and all that. Plus, he's a solid 6-5.

If we sign KD, everything is going to be centered around him. The Warriors are so much more fun to watch without him. I don't even think there's any debate about that now. It's like watching The Harlem Globetrotters vs. the Generals.

The more I think about it, the less I want to trade away all these young players and future draft choices and turnover the roster just to sign all these mercenaries who may not even fit together.

[HarthorneWingo]

Since they haven’t been on your team in a while, and neither are dominating for the team you traded them to, was there any portion of Knicks fans or posters here who more upset losing Chandler than Gallo in the Knicks trade or was Gallo the clear gem going out? I know he was the slightly younger, injury pronish higher ceiling much higher pick and has turned into the clear better player of the two, imo, just wondering how much if any of the fan base was attached to Chandler and his potential at the time.

(Wondering as Lakers are facing the prospects of sending one, some, or all of their young guys somewhere, with I think quite differing opinions on the value and potential of each, as we try and jump through lebrons aging window the best we can.)

I don't ever recall there really being any debates here about them. Why would there be? They both started. They both played major minutes.

I didn't want to give up either of them along with all the other assets we forked over for that bum from Denver.

[Fat Kat]

Since they haven’t been on your team in a while, and neither are dominating for the team you traded them to, was there any portion of Knicks fans or posters here who more upset losing Chandler than Gallo in the Knicks trade or was Gallo the clear gem going out? I know he was the slightly younger, injury pronish higher ceiling much higher pick and has turned into the clear better player of the two, imo, just wondering how much if any of the fan base was attached to Chandler and his potential at the time.

(Wondering as Lakers are facing the prospects of sending one, some, or all of their young guys somewhere, with I think quite differing opinions on the value and potential of each, as we try and jump through lebrons aging window the best we can.)

I don't ever recall there really being any debates here about them. Why would there be? They both started. They both played major minutes.

[aq_ua]

Since they haven’t been on your team in a while, and neither are dominating for the team you traded them to, was there any portion of Knicks fans or posters here who more upset losing Chandler than Gallo in the Knicks trade or was Gallo the clear gem going out? I know he was the slightly younger, injury pronish higher ceiling much higher pick and has turned into the clear better player of the two, imo, just wondering how much if any of the fan base was attached to Chandler and his potential at the time.

(Wondering as Lakers are facing the prospects of sending one, some, or all of their young guys somewhere, with I think quite differing opinions on the value and potential of each, as we try and jump through lebrons aging window the best we can.)

I don't ever recall there really being any debates here about them. Why would there be? They both started. They both played major minutes.

It’s true. We have never compared or ranked or taken sides or exhibited any bias towards any Knick player in comparison to another. They are our children and all equal in our eyes.

[RamonSessions7]

I don't ever recall there really being any debates here about them. Why would there be? They both started. They both played major minutes.

It’s true. We have never compared or ranked or taken sides or exhibited any bias towards any Knick player in comparison to another. They are our children and all equal in our eyes.

Ah ****. I forgot, I’ll try to create an analogous “Laker young players in trade talks” situation to a more intra-debating fan base. Enjoy your ability to love and understand all potential equally. I bet I could find a situation in the Hornets past, them seem the type to love fighting amongst themselves.

[spree2kawhi]

Kawhi has what it takes to go all the way. These finals are going to be crazy if the Raptors role players don't choke at home now.

That said, we need to recruit him as hard as we can. Seeing this dude shouldering what he does makes me puke at the thought of signing Kyrie to a max.

[thebuzzardman]

There's a difference between being a good gardner able to pluck weeds before they get bad, and not growing any at all. A guy like Honnold literally has a mind that can't grow weeds even when the conditions are at their most perfect. They did a scan of his brain and found that his amygdala - the part of the brain that registers fear - doesn't respond like the rest of the human population's. I'd bet a lot of money Kawhi is in that same boat.

That’s interesting. From my learning most fear is just a product of your subconscious and you can choose to say fuq it and change gear. I get what you are saying tho.

This is a completely different thing. You can overcome a lot in terms of fear and every great climber has been able to do that in ways most people can't even imagine. And Hannold is to them what they seem like to everyone else. Hannold can do things that would be easy technically for climbers like Chris Sharma or Adam Ondra but they are unable to submit themselves to that sort of risk factor. Hannold is conscious of the risks but can approach them 100% pragmatically because he never had fear to begin with.

As an aside, not related to your quote, but more to the above, I don't buy that fear is all about the subconscious. I doubt you guys do either. I'm certainly no expert, but feels like there are a number of evolutionary responses that help towards generating fear that are kind of/sort of hardwire us towards certain fears and then socially, other fears get either layered over them, attached to them, or we have a predilection to adding to the subconscious alongside them, because of that wiring - take a pick as to what seems most likely or what the research says, as this is something I've thought about or read about only indirectly, as opposed to deep diving.

OR, fear IS all about the subconscious, if the subconscious is comprised of both innate biological functions combined with socially learned ones. Which may be both of your understanding of the subconscious function in this case, or even the accepted understanding of it - I'm just a layman here.

Also, the Bucks choked

[thebuzzardman]

I don't ever recall there really being any debates here about them. Why would there be? They both started. They both played major minutes.

It’s true. We have never compared or ranked or taken sides or exhibited any bias towards any Knick player in comparison to another. They are our children and all equal in our eyes.

[spree2kawhi]

Watch this man get told he's lost $31 million...by the very people who took it from him. This is a pretty heavy moment.

Read on Twitter

It's disrespectful to him. Imagine Walker on the Warriors instead of Klay. It's just not the same animal. That team (without KD) may not even advance versus Portland. It shows you how narrow minded some of those journalists are. They don't see what he does. Most of what they know about Klay seems to be only the narrative of a two way player. They don't understand those intangibles because they watch the ball.

[spree2kawhi]

Double post

[thebuzzardman]

Since they haven’t been on your team in a while, and neither are dominating for the team you traded them to, was there any portion of Knicks fans or posters here who more upset losing Chandler than Gallo in the Knicks trade or was Gallo the clear gem going out? I know he was the slightly younger, injury pronish higher ceiling much higher pick and has turned into the clear better player of the two, imo, just wondering how much if any of the fan base was attached to Chandler and his potential at the time.

(Wondering as Lakers are facing the prospects of sending one, some, or all of their young guys somewhere, with I think quite differing opinions on the value and potential of each, as we try and jump through lebrons aging window the best we can.)

I don't ever recall there really being any debates here about them. Why would there be? They both started. They both played major minutes.

I didn't want to give up either of them along with all the other assets we forked over for that bum from Denver.

[Context]

I just dont trust the NBA...The raptors just turned it on and then the bucks just turned it off- makes no sense...

Yeah the nba missed shots and the nba made the shots for Kahwhi.

I hear what you're saying but its easy for the refs to manipulate a game via calls-(momentum-confidence-rhythm)...don't sleep on that F N 11...

[LookToShoot]

The Bucks are built like the 60 win Hawks... no clear guy who can take over games consistently. You can only get so far with team play.

If Giannis is Shaq, then he needs a Kobe. That isn’t Middleton, clearly.

[Context]

i have a feeling the warriors can shut down fred vanvleet if they have to

If its not fixed this is all on Bud to me- no adjustments for what they were doing to Giannis...

Weren't you the guy who quoted me saying the Raptors wouldn't win a game after the Bucks were up 2-0. I said it wasn't over because Toronto has Kawhi. Never doubt the true superstars. Giannis is having an MVP year but he hasn't really been playoff tested. He will learn from this.

I probably was... You want the truth or you want the company line?

[aq_ua]

What do you think that number is? Bucks have cap issues.

Two year 15mm/year deal would be tough if they intend to bring back Lopez and Mirotic on market level contracts. I just don’t know why we would want to do it.

You don't like him as a player?

I do, I really do. In the paradigm we go after a Brogdon though, it’s one where we have missed on at least one superstar and therefore have the cap space to sign him. I think he’s a final piece to the starting line up kind of guy, not the first or second most important player you sign in an offseason where you have max cap space for two. I just don’t see us being a competitive enough team to justify signing Brogdon, and if anything he just takes playing time from our backcourt and will in all likelihood be gone by the time we could actually use a guy like him. Really more about a timing issue than anything to do with him as a player.

[GONYK]

Watch this man get told he's lost $31 million...by the very people who took it from him. This is a pretty heavy moment.

Read on Twitter

It's disrespectful to him. Imagine Walker on the Warriors instead of Klay. It's just not the same animal. That team (without KD) may not even advance versus Portland. It shows you how narrow minded some of those journalists are. They don't see what he does. Most of what they know about Klay seems to be only the narrative of a two way player. They don't understand those intangibles because they watch the ball.

Journalists voting for something that high stakes is stupid