OT: Democratic Primary Thread

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Amy McGrath is now raising more money than Mitch for the Kentucky senate race

[HarthorneWingo]

I thought this thread got locked?

[duetta]

I thought this thread got locked?

It rose from the dead after a troubling turn towards the dark side...

[Clyde_Style]

I thought this thread got locked?

It rose from the dead after a troubling turn towards the dark side...

We're in the middle of a plague and a depression and need to talk about our survival and the way out of this which 100% means removing Trump. We should be able to debate policy and the nomination process and that is where the tolerance should be demonstrated IMO. Less serious people should go elsewhere to conduct their sabotage.

[Stannis]

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Stannis, if Bernie was actually committed to winning the nomination he would have made a broader coalition, but he wanted to maintain the purity of his message at the expense of doing the political work that actually would have won him more votes. That was always his choice and it appears that his hard core supporters were also uninterested in tailoring their message to win the ballot box.

This bitterness you're displaying that consistently implies the election was stolen from Bernie as the rightful nominee is simply false. To now attack Warren as a back stabber is beyond petty and just wrong.

You want to be unadulterated about your demands for reform then accept the loss when the voting numbers don't fall in your lap.

Biden won because he knows how to build bridges to other candidates and get their support. Blaming Bernie's loss on a conspiracy that coalesced after the SC vote is sour grapes. Bernie cast himself as the anti-establishment figure and to win he had to draw in members of the establishment to build a coalition of voters that would have put him over the top. He did not.

Blaming Warren of all people for Bernie's strategic shortcomings is absurd. She is not the Ralph Nader or Jill Stein who took your guy down because she drew votes from him. She was the other legit progressive in the race and had every right to be in contention for the nomination. You're outright crapping on her now.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Trump is gonna destroy Biden IMO. They are both mumbling idiots but...Joe is shot. He can barely finish a thought most days.

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Trump is gonna destroy Biden IMO. They are both mumbling idiots but...Joe is shot. He snapped barely finish a thought most days.

That is the only thing you have posted multiple times. We get it. Got anything more substantial to contribute?

[Clyde_Style]

GOP is already working hard to rig the election in November with this anti-Mail-in ballot agenda.

It is important that Pelosi and Schumer hold their ground with the next relief package that is already in the works and make 100% national mail-in voting the law for this coming election. Better that they hold up the package than to surrender this one point.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Trump is gonna destroy Biden IMO. They are both mumbling idiots but...Joe is shot. He snapped barely finish a thought most days.

That is the only thing you have posted multiple times. We get it. Got anything more substantial to contribute?

Yeah. You are a dee bag when it comes to politics. You act like you know it all and you don't. You bleat like a party line sheep. You are as out of touch with the voting base as Hillary and Joe are. Why isn't Obama endorsing Biden? Pretty strange if you ask me....and damaging.

Bernie fought like a pussy. That's why he lost. He jumped on the gravy train and went out with a whimper twice. Much like most of his career.

Biden is going to get roasted by Trump. Watch and see. I'm waiting for them to debate. That should be terribly entertaining. This will be the bigger joke than last election.

[Clyde_Style]

Trump is gonna destroy Biden IMO. They are both mumbling idiots but...Joe is shot. He snapped barely finish a thought most days.

That is the only thing you have posted multiple times. We get it. Got anything more substantial to contribute?

Yeah. You are a dee bag when it comes to politics. You act like you know it all and you don't. You bleat like a party line sheep. You are as out of touch with the voting base as Hillary and Joe are. Why isn't Obama endorsing Biden? Pretty strange if you ask me....and damaging.

Bernie fought like a pussy. That's why he lost. He jumped on the gravy train and went out with a whimper twice. Much like most of his career.

Biden is going to get roasted by Trump. Watch and see. I'm waiting for them to debate. That should be terribly entertaining. This will be the bigger joke than last election.

Well done. I never insulted you once.

You're here telling me I'm an establishment tool, yet I could make an easy case for why your points here are cookie cutter thinking. I won't make that effort though, because you just proved yourself not up to the task of making your case without being the very thing you just accused me of.

[GONYK]

Interesting thread from Rachel Bitecofer

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[Clyde_Style]

Interesting thread from Rachel Bitecofer

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She provides a good summary. And she's right about the GOP weaponizing of the left to win the election. The kind of rage and resentment we're seeing here (Twitter is ghastly and far worse) is exactly what the GOP prays for. It is a gift from heaven that they've been stoking these fires every step of the way.

I've tried to find a path for discussing this without being dismissive of Sanders supporters, but there is absolutely no way to dance around the reality that the GOP playbook revolves around this strategy. All of the commie jokes in the world don't change the fact that Twitter is the epicenter of weaponizing the left to do the right's bidding and that every meme used to attack the Democratic establishment is accompanied by swarms bot armies run by GOP operatives and foreign actors (yes, one of which is Russia).

Trump got impeached because he feared facing Joe Biden of all people. There's a reason for this. Brad Parscale holds the keys to Trump's data kingdom and they have very granular data that made it clear to them Biden was their worst case scenario. Bernie supporters are super resentful when anyone points out Trump (or Russia; RT anyone?) wanted Bernie as the nominee, but the truth hurts.

It in no way debases Sander's political agenda to say he was the preferred nominee of the GOP, so that is not a personal attack on Bernie. But it is necessary to acknowledge that the anti-Biden memes propagated by Sanders supporters are in perfect harmony with the GOP agenda. They planned it that way so it is better to be honest about the corollaries than to pretend they don't exist.

As a lifelong progressive I choose to face the reality of the situation and that includes defeating Trump and being honest about the failures of the left to get their agendas front and center legislatively. We're not ever going to win a damn thing by allowing ourselves to be weaponized as the emotional mirror clones of the alt-right. Some of you need to stop attacking sympathetic people who've lived through many more decades and many more elections and are trying to find a way forwards that includes all of us just because they don't share your absolutist love of Sanders and are willing to consider other options.

All or nothing stances play right into the hands of the enemy and the enemy wants you to believe that everyone besides equally rabid far left allies are your enemy. I'm not a sell-out. You're blind if you believe that, but I forgive you and will keep trying to speak about this as reasonably as possible. If you buy into that, you've already been destroyed from within your own movement, because these psychological tricks used to play pragmatic progressives vs. uncompromising progressives is how you implode the opposition. Those memes you throw around so casually are moles planted in your minds to seed and destroy your very own troops.

[robillionaire]

We have the secretly recorded audio of trump saying he was afraid to run against sanders. He played a reverse psychology game of "please don't throw me in that briar patch" with joe biden that the media pushed and democrats believed and now he has a cake walk to re-election. I find it hard to believe that anybody actually believes that Trump is afraid to run against Biden, who has zero enthusiasm and can't even fill a high school gymnasium. Nobody under age 50 is going to be knocking doors and putting in leg work for him. Biden, who has "no empathy" for our struggles will find we have none in return for his upcoming battle. Even the dems know it, which is why they have been not so subtly floating around Cuomo as a potential replacement and talking about how presidential he seems for the past couple weeks. Hope the economy completely bottoms out and we have bread lines by November if you want to see Trump's defeat, that's how it might still happen. Biden won't be able to win on his own merits. He's running exclusively on Trump being bad.

As far as I'm concerned the election is already lost. Everything we were fighting for is lost.

[Clyde_Style]

We have the secretly recorded audio of trump saying he was afraid to run against sanders. He played a reverse psychology game of "please don't throw me in that briar patch" with joe biden that the media pushed and democrats believed and now he has a cake walk to re-election. I find it hard to believe that anybody actually believes that Trump is afraid to run against Biden, who has zero enthusiasm and can't even fill a high school gymnasium. Nobody under age 50 is going to be knocking doors and putting in leg work for him. Biden, who has "no empathy" for our struggles will find we have none in return for his upcoming battle. Even the dems know it, which is why they have been not so subtly floating around Cuomo as a potential replacement and talking about how presidential he seems for the past couple weeks. Hope the economy completely bottoms out and we have bread lines by November if you want to see Trump's defeat, that's how it might still happen. Biden won't be able to win on his own merits. He's running exclusively on Trump being bad.

As far as I'm concerned the election is already lost. Everything we were fighting for is lost.

Why did Trump risk everything on the Ukraine in order to take down Biden?

[GONYK]

We have the secretly recorded audio of trump saying he was afraid to run against sanders. He played a reverse psychology game of "please don't throw me in that briar patch" with joe biden that the media pushed and democrats believed and now he has a cake walk to re-election. I find it hard to believe that anybody actually believes that Trump is afraid to run against Biden, who has zero enthusiasm and can't even fill a high school gymnasium. Nobody under age 50 is going to be knocking doors and putting in leg work for him. Biden, who has "no empathy" for our struggles will find we have none in return for his upcoming battle. Even the dems know it, which is why they have been not so subtly floating around Cuomo as a potential replacement and talking about how presidential he seems for the past couple weeks. Hope the economy completely bottoms out and we have bread lines by November if you want to see Trump's defeat, that's how it might still happen. Biden won't be able to win on his own merits. He's running exclusively on Trump being bad.

As far as I'm concerned the election is already lost. Everything we were fighting for is lost.

There is very little evidence in this election cycle so far that says any more than that is necessary

[Clyde_Style]

We have the secretly recorded audio of trump saying he was afraid to run against sanders. He played a reverse psychology game of "please don't throw me in that briar patch" with joe biden that the media pushed and democrats believed and now he has a cake walk to re-election. I find it hard to believe that anybody actually believes that Trump is afraid to run against Biden, who has zero enthusiasm and can't even fill a high school gymnasium. Nobody under age 50 is going to be knocking doors and putting in leg work for him. Biden, who has "no empathy" for our struggles will find we have none in return for his upcoming battle. Even the dems know it, which is why they have been not so subtly floating around Cuomo as a potential replacement and talking about how presidential he seems for the past couple weeks. Hope the economy completely bottoms out and we have bread lines by November if you want to see Trump's defeat, that's how it might still happen. Biden won't be able to win on his own merits. He's running exclusively on Trump being bad.

As far as I'm concerned the election is already lost. Everything we were fighting for is lost.

There is very little evidence in this election cycle so far that says any more than that is necessary

We're in the middle of a plague and an economic depression that has been single-handedly amplified by Donald Trump.

Four more years of Trump is an existential threat to the planet, not just American democracy.

So, yes, any Democratic nominee is a distinctly different direction to take when it means the survival of the planet.

[robillionaire]

We have the secretly recorded audio of trump saying he was afraid to run against sanders. He played a reverse psychology game of "please don't throw me in that briar patch" with joe biden that the media pushed and democrats believed and now he has a cake walk to re-election. I find it hard to believe that anybody actually believes that Trump is afraid to run against Biden, who has zero enthusiasm and can't even fill a high school gymnasium. Nobody under age 50 is going to be knocking doors and putting in leg work for him. Biden, who has "no empathy" for our struggles will find we have none in return for his upcoming battle. Even the dems know it, which is why they have been not so subtly floating around Cuomo as a potential replacement and talking about how presidential he seems for the past couple weeks. Hope the economy completely bottoms out and we have bread lines by November if you want to see Trump's defeat, that's how it might still happen. Biden won't be able to win on his own merits. He's running exclusively on Trump being bad.

As far as I'm concerned the election is already lost. Everything we were fighting for is lost.

There is very little evidence in this election cycle so far that says any more than that is necessary

I think history shows more than that is necessary, because it failed in 2016. But we are in a crucial moment so this isn't going to be a typical election. I fear people may "rally around the flag" in a crisis like they did in 2004.

[Clyde_Style]

We have the secretly recorded audio of trump saying he was afraid to run against sanders. He played a reverse psychology game of "please don't throw me in that briar patch" with joe biden that the media pushed and democrats believed and now he has a cake walk to re-election. I find it hard to believe that anybody actually believes that Trump is afraid to run against Biden, who has zero enthusiasm and can't even fill a high school gymnasium. Nobody under age 50 is going to be knocking doors and putting in leg work for him. Biden, who has "no empathy" for our struggles will find we have none in return for his upcoming battle. Even the dems know it, which is why they have been not so subtly floating around Cuomo as a potential replacement and talking about how presidential he seems for the past couple weeks. Hope the economy completely bottoms out and we have bread lines by November if you want to see Trump's defeat, that's how it might still happen. Biden won't be able to win on his own merits. He's running exclusively on Trump being bad.

As far as I'm concerned the election is already lost. Everything we were fighting for is lost.

There is very little evidence in this election cycle so far that says any more than that is necessary

I think history shows more than that is necessary, because it failed in 2016. But we are in a crucial moment so this isn't going to be a typical election. I fear people may "rally around the flag" in a crisis like they did in 2004.

There are mile long bread lines already. NGO food banks in the USA are already depleting their cash reserves to feed people because their usual donors are donations from supermarkets giving expiring items and restaurant excess food supply. Even usual food drive sources from citizens are drying up because people are keeping their canned goods for themselves instead of reaching into their pantry.

If private organizations trying to make up the shortfall that government food subsidies are not covering for what are now tens of millions of people with no money and no food, how do you expect people to rally around the flag?

The devastation has only just begun. By this Summer we're talking about serious crime issues as people get desperate and law enforcement is cut in half by the virus.

Social disorder will be a big issue going into the election and it is not going to get better between now and the election, but significantly worse. I'm preparing for it. Are you prepared for it? Maybe you're in a safe apartment building in the city, but many of us are not. But since you got laid off, maybe you have to move soon. I hope you have a family that will take you in. There's tens of millions of people out there that don't have fallback options.

And I don't think Trump can win on a law and order platform since many will consider him the reason things fell apart. He's the most lawless individual imaginable.

[GONYK]

We have the secretly recorded audio of trump saying he was afraid to run against sanders. He played a reverse psychology game of "please don't throw me in that briar patch" with joe biden that the media pushed and democrats believed and now he has a cake walk to re-election. I find it hard to believe that anybody actually believes that Trump is afraid to run against Biden, who has zero enthusiasm and can't even fill a high school gymnasium. Nobody under age 50 is going to be knocking doors and putting in leg work for him. Biden, who has "no empathy" for our struggles will find we have none in return for his upcoming battle. Even the dems know it, which is why they have been not so subtly floating around Cuomo as a potential replacement and talking about how presidential he seems for the past couple weeks. Hope the economy completely bottoms out and we have bread lines by November if you want to see Trump's defeat, that's how it might still happen. Biden won't be able to win on his own merits. He's running exclusively on Trump being bad.

As far as I'm concerned the election is already lost. Everything we were fighting for is lost.

There is very little evidence in this election cycle so far that says any more than that is necessary

I think history shows more than that is necessary, because it failed in 2016. But we are in a crucial moment so this isn't going to be a typical election. I fear people may "rally around the flag" in a crisis like they did in 2004.

Perhaps, but Biden is way more favorable to people than Hillary (as his performance in a place like Michigan demonstrated) and Trump is wildly underperforming as a "rally around the flag" President.

Trump's approval ratings are peaking around 48%. Bush was in the low 90's during 9/11.

Jimmy Carter had a higher bounce during the Iran Hostage Crisis, and still lost his re-election.

Is it possible we are overestimating Trump?