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Re: Julius Randle eat crow thread 

Post#681 » by cgf » Wed Dec 20, 2023 10:31 pm

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cgf wrote:Some interesting notes on the evolving Brunson/Randle dynamic after 26 games.

So after Randle juiced his efficiency last season by spamming 3s...44.4% from 3 vs 36.9% from 0-10ft...while Brunson attacked the rim more...48.0% 0-10ft & 26.9% 3pters...they've flipped roles this season. Brunson is down to 32.2% of his shots coming 0-10ft from the hoop and 35.3% coming from 3, and Randle is taking just 29.4% of his shots from 3 and 53.4% from 0-10ft.

In general this has had positive effects on their efficiency despite Julius' poor 3pt shooting so far, as Brunson's TS is exactly where it was last season (59.7%) on slightly higher usage, while Randle has been tracking to smash last season's 58.1% TS since those first 6 games of the season...60.02 TS% in the 20 games since...with his AST% having jumped back to almost pre-Brunson levels (23.6%).


...but both are getting to the FT line less; Randle's FTr has gone from 37.1% to 33.7%, while Brunson's dropped from 32.8% to 29.8%. And with Julius not pulling his man away to the perimeter as much, Brunson's % when he can't get all of the way to the rim is way down (50.4% to 44.0%).

Jalen is still a crafty SOB, so he still burns guys to get all of the way to the rim for clean looks that he hits at a great clip, but when he has to pull out of a drive & shoot, Julius' guy is a lot closer to help contest. And Jalen isn't the only one of our 4 main drivers who is shooting worse from 3-10FT this season:
Randle 51.9% to 49.6%
Barrett 40.1% to 35.1%
Quickley 50.0% to 47.4%


In a nutshell explaining his improved efficiency. I think it may level off a little over the course of the season but I always maintained that if Randle played to his strengths there really shouldn't be any excuse for him shooting less than 48% from the field. I mean the guy, the way he is built and his fitness level and all....he is physically the closest thing to Lebron. Near the basket really no one can guard him well. He smashed Giannis and AD....probably the best defenders at that position. And more importantly you can just see the elevation of the team as a whole.


Somewhat, but Randle's TS for the season as a whole is still 3% worse than he was last year...when he also had a slow start...if he keeps this up he'll blow past last season, but currently he's still got a lot of making up to do.

He has unquestionably been more efficient since shaking the rust off this season than he was last year, but it's not been as huge a difference as you might expect...probably because the paint has been more congested than it was last season, when Julius was spamming so many 3s.

Will be interesting to see how much of our struggles from 3-10FT are just early season noise vs an actual difference in the defenses we see with Julius playing so much closer to the rim.
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Re: Julius Randle eat crow thread 

Post#682 » by Galvationknicks » Thu Dec 21, 2023 2:55 am

He keeps making you hate him and love
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Re: Julius Randle eat crow thread 

Post#683 » by cgf » Tue Dec 26, 2023 2:33 pm

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Post#684 » by FrozenEnvelope » Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:51 pm

Randle's defense on Giannis was outstanding!
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Re: Julius Randle eat crow thread 

Post#685 » by cgf » Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:00 pm

FrozenEnvelope wrote:Randle's defense on Giannis was outstanding!


He's been playing the best basketball of his career since those first 6 games on both ends of the court...and he hasn't even gotten hot from 3 this season (yet).

With Mitch out we won't have the defense to go too far this postseason, but I really hope we get to see the Mid 3 + IQ ball out offensively. We lack an MVP-caliber talent, but would be nice to see our pillars getting the love they deserve.
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Post#686 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:34 pm

Good interview with Julius. Says that Kyden thinks he's better than him already. :lol:

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Re: Julius Randle eat crow thread 

Post#687 » by Im Coming Home » Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:31 pm

Im Coming Home wrote:Sorry we ain't doing this again, I've had to eat the crow, throw it back up, eat crow again, throw it back up, etc

As I was saying..
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Re: Julius Randle eat crow thread 

Post#688 » by K_ick_God » Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:33 pm

Really he should be gone
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Re: Julius Randle eat crow thread 

Post#689 » by Jeff Van Gully » Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:38 pm

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Im Coming Home wrote:Sorry we ain't doing this again, I've had to eat the crow, throw it back up, eat crow again, throw it back up, etc

As I was saying..


Why dig this **** up?
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Re: Julius Randle eat crow thread 

Post#690 » by knicks94 » Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:38 pm

This is why I don't jump on the Randle bandwagon whenever he has those 39 point games.

The man is 100% azz when he has to carry this team on his shoulders.
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Re: Julius Randle eat crow thread 

Post#691 » by Ursusamericanus » Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:38 pm

Honestly, having watched more and more of him since the alleged "progress" on his mental health... I think he's gotta go. We have championship pieces in Brunson, OG, DDV, Hart (maybe), and Hartenstein/Mitch, but Randle is the odd man out. He's moody, lazy, and inconsistent. He'll string together some hot games but doesn't deliver when it matters. We clearly need an upgrade at the 4.
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Re: Julius Randle eat crow thread 

Post#692 » by Im Coming Home » Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:40 pm

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Im Coming Home wrote:Sorry we ain't doing this again, I've had to eat the crow, throw it back up, eat crow again, throw it back up, etc

As I was saying..


Why dig this **** up?

Same reason they dig it up when he has a few good games. As I said, I ain't going to eat crow and have to throw it back up with how up and down Randle plays. Guy is TRASH.
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Post#693 » by Najeem27 » Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:42 pm

Once Randle is gone and we play better you guys all owe me an apology :lol:
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Post#694 » by Stannis » Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:16 am

Randle is giving us a sneak peak of what to expect in the playoffs
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Post#695 » by Jalen Bluntson » Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:27 am

Can someone direct me to the Randle eat a bag of dicks thread?
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Re: Julius Randle eat crow thread 

Post#696 » by Stannis » Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:35 am

Im Coming Home wrote:Same reason they dig it up when he has a few good games. As I said, I ain't going to eat crow and have to throw it back up with how up and down Randle plays. Guy is TRASH.


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Re: Julius Randle eat crow thread 

Post#697 » by dakomish23 » Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:31 am

Jalen Bluntson wrote:Can someone direct me to the Randle eat a bag of dicks thread?


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Re: Julius Randle eat crow thread 

Post#698 » by Ursusamericanus » Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:32 am

I just think it's pretty clear that Randle has the talent and physical gifts to be a 2nd option, but the mentality of a 3rd option. And that's ok, we've seen it before in guys who won like Worthy, Bosh, Manu, Ray, Rasheed etc.

He can be a 3rd option on a winner, IMO, and I no longer am going to hold him to the standard of a 2nd option. The FO needs to realize this (maybe they already have).
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Post#699 » by KnicksGadfly » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:37 am

Ursusamericanus wrote:I just think it's pretty clear that Randle has the talent and physical gifts to be a 2nd option, but the mentality of a 3rd option. And that's ok, we've seen it before in guys who won like Worthy, Bosh, Manu, Ray, Rasheed etc.

He can be a 3rd option on a winner, IMO, and I no longer am going to hold him to the standard of a 2nd option. The FO needs to realize this (maybe they already have).


Don't look down on 3rd options like that. Seriously, some of these names you're throwing out are so disrespectful. Manu? Bosh? Worthy? Ray? It's not easy to be a 3rd option on a championship winning team, and just because you're a bad second option, doesn't mean you'll be a great third option. They often require entirely different skillsets.

A great third option fills in the gaps. Everything that the 1st or 2nd option cannot do, the 3rd option has to do, while sacrificing his offensive opportunities AND being highly efficient with the shots that he takes AND being ready to step up when needs to. It's basically Jrue Holiday...Giannis and Khris take the shots, while Jrue gets the tough perimeter assignments. Aaron Gordon getting to cover for Jokic on defense while Murray and Jokic do their thing.
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Re: Julius Randle eat crow thread 

Post#700 » by Ursusamericanus » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:50 am

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Ursusamericanus wrote:I just think it's pretty clear that Randle has the talent and physical gifts to be a 2nd option, but the mentality of a 3rd option. And that's ok, we've seen it before in guys who won like Worthy, Bosh, Manu, Ray, Rasheed etc.

He can be a 3rd option on a winner, IMO, and I no longer am going to hold him to the standard of a 2nd option. The FO needs to realize this (maybe they already have).


Don't look down on 3rd options like that. Seriously, some of these names you're throwing out are so disrespectful. Manu? Bosh? Worthy? Ray? It's not easy to be a 3rd option on a championship winning team, and just because you're a bad second option, doesn't mean you'll be a great third option. They often require entirely different skillsets.

A great third option fills in the gaps. Everything that the 1st or 2nd option cannot do, the 3rd option has to do, while sacrificing his offensive opportunities AND being highly efficient with the shots that he takes AND being ready to step up when needs to. It's basically Jrue Holiday...Giannis and Khris take the shots, while Jrue gets the tough perimeter assignments. Aaron Gordon getting to cover for Jokic on defense while Murray and Jokic do their thing.


The hell? I ain't looking down on anyone my guy. I am just giving examples of some outstanding 3rd options in NBA history specifically to make the point that it's not a bad thing at all to be one. By no means is it "easy" to be a 3rd option, that's exactly what I am saying. Maybe don't assume my intentions here, lol. And I am well aware of what a good 3rd option brings to the table, I've watched pro hoops for decades. Of course, the quality (AND the roles) of 3rd options on winning teams has varied a lot historically - from the guys I mentioned to less prominent players.

I don't think Randle is a good 2nd option. I do think he could potentially be a 3rd option and I want to see him get some run as one. He talks a lot about wanting to win a title for NY, that may be the best way to make it happen.

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